HRT & Tested Feds

[Doollas]

If the meet only had drug testing at the actual meet (no out of meet testing), AND the testing actually tested for testosterone levels.. Yes, a lifter could take higher doses before the meet and get away with it.

With that exact same scenario a "drug free" lifter could take test suspension during that same timeframe, stop 2 days out and pass the test.

So, both lifters could cheat. If you are implying that a lifter would be more likely to cheat while on a medically supervised program which only a certain amount of drugs can be purchased at a time, vs a lifter who just buys drugs underground, i think its a pretty thin argument.

I'm not really sure what your point(s) is. Cheating is cheating so either way both lifters are being unethical (in your proposed scenario). As far as what I was implying...yes, I think someone who has been given the "go ahead" to do HRT and compete untested is more likely to "cheat" by taking more than they are prescribed. I don't know many guys on HRT but some of them just buy blackmarket anyways.

Bill...that makes sense I guess, since they are measuring a ratio as opposed to an absolute value. With recreational drugs you just dilute till the concentration is low enough to pass, and the higher level of creatine shows that it is not diluted. How I miss college...

[Heavy_Beats]

There is absolutely zero advantage to a lifter with 800ng/dl that got there by taking 100mg of test/week or a lifter with 800ng/dl that is using their natural production.

If both lifters dropped a lot of body fat to break a record the lifter with a consistent external testosterone levels would have a definite advantage.

It is very unfortunate for folks that need HRT.

[koyongi]

Which is presumably some sort of unsaturated fat? I say unsaturated because it would be hard to inject a solid intravenously. Is that the difference between all of these different compounds cyp, deca, ethanate, etc.......that they all have different esters?

Chemistry is cool, thanks for answering.

Nerd.

Edit: not unsaturated fats exactly because the glycerol would be missing, but a long string of hydrocarbons with one cis double bond that allows it to be liquid at room temp.

Nerd.

No, the esters they stick on them are usually pretty small molecules. So it's just testosterone with a strippable ester. For instance, test prop is just a CO=CCH3 attached at the ester linkage.

[Pincegordo]

An HRT regimen is meant to bring low testosterone levels up to normal, so a drug test would not be able to determine whether the person was using exo. test or not. Technically, it is still cheating since the person is using exo. test, but I personally would not have a problem competing against someone who was doing this if I was a drug-free lifter lifting in a drug-free fed.

[Gaash]

The dose is really irrelevant as people will respond differently. What is important would be your test levels, which can be found in a test.

There is absolutely zero advantage to a lifter with 800ng/dl that got there by taking 100mg of test/week or a lifter with 800ng/dl that is using their natural production.

It would be a royal pain in the ass, but a lifter could be on TRT using straight testosterone (suspension) and keep their levels in the natural range and would never fail a test.

Keep in mind that men are healthier with normal range test levels then either end of the extreme. So if those 50 year old men you know actually medically need TRT and are avoiding it to compete, they are sacrificing their health.

The problem is that the test is T/E ratio which you can on average, multiply by 4 before failing a test. This means, forget just HRT, assuming it is all linear (potentially a big if) if you are say 600ng/dl average you can get to say 2400ng/dl before triggering the test.