The Official Stupid Question Thread

[meascott]

whats the best work out program for a high school football player/ wrestler thats 18, and what kinda supplements should i take?

[koooot]

My grip failed on my 5th rep of deadlifts.

I read multiple times doing kroc rows improves grip. Just wondering where you hold the dumbbell, in the palm or at the bottom of the fingers?

Also what rep and set scheme is good? I'm currently doing SSPP.

[agm2992mga]

Is it impossible to gain mass in a calorie deficit?

[N4J4R]

Is this low enough squat? Or too high

See below....

thats low enough, the important thing is your feeling the tension in the right areas. make sure areas that should be strained are and areas that arent arent being strained. also make sure youre only using that crate as a safety, dont push off of it when going back up, it just cheats you out of a rep

I would disagree with this statement. IMO, you could go lower. From that angle, it does not look like you've quite hit parallel.

i.e.

whats the best work out program for a high school football player/ wrestler thats 18, and what kinda supplements should i take?

I would assume strength would be important. If you're new to lifting, SS would probably be a good pace to start. If you're a bit more advanced, Madcows may be the go.

My grip failed on my 5th rep of deadlifts.

I read multiple times doing kroc rows improves grip. Just wondering where you hold the dumbbell, in the palm or at the bottom of the fingers?

Also what rep and set scheme is good? I'm currently doing SSPP.

Static holds and farmers walks are pretty good for grip strength training, IMO. Look into these.

Is it impossible to gain mass in a calorie deficit?

No. I would not say it's impossible. i.e. an untrained obese individual can, whilst eating at a slight deficit, gain some lean tissue.

Is it the most optimal way in which to go about gaining large amounts of lean tissue? Not really, no. The best way to gain decent amounts of lean tissue is by utilizing a caloric surplus.

[agm2992mga]

Thanks N4J4R.

I was also interested to ask:

What are good muscle groups to split into doing together on a day if lifting 4 days a week?

[N4J4R]

Thanks N4J4R.

I was also interested to ask:

What are good muscle groups to split into doing together on a day if lifting 4 days a week?

If you're lifting 4 days a week, either use an Upper/Lower routine or a Push/Pull routine. i.e.

Mon: Lower
Squat: 3-4X6-8
SLDL or leg curl: 3-4X6-8
Leg press: 2-3X10-12
Another leg curl: 2-3X10-12
Calf raise: 3-4X6-8
Seated calf: 2-3X10-12
Abs 1-2x10-12

Tue: Upper
Flat bench: 3-4X6-8
Row: 3-4X6-8
Incline bench or shoulder press: 2-3X10-12
Pulldown/chin: 2-3X10-12
Triceps: 1-2X12-15
Biceps: 1-2X12-15
Obliques 1-2x10-12

On thursday you will do Lower again. Replace the Squat with Deadlifts (1-2x5) and do leg extensions or lunges instead of SLDL or leg curl #1.
Repeat tuesday's workout on friday.

or


Push:
Squat 3-4x6-8 (Or 3x5)
Bench 3-4x6-8
Tricep Dip* 3-4x6-8
Overhead Press 2-3x6-8
Leg Extension 2x10-12
Calfs A mixture work of upto 5 sets in various rep ranges
Abs 1-2x10-12

*There is a replacement you can do instead of tricep dips, you can do a tricep exercise (1-2x12-15) and a lateral delt exercise (1-2x12-15)

Pull:
Deadlift 1-2x5
Row: 3-4x6-8
Pulldown/Chin: 2-3x10-12
Bicep Curls 1-2x12-15
Rear Delt work 1-2x12-15
Hamstring Curl 3-4x6-8
Obliques 1-2x10-12

On thursday you will do Push again. Keep the Push as is, however, on friday's version of Pull if you find deadlifting 2x a week is too much work, replace deadlifts with romanian deadlifts/SLDL at 3-4x6-8 and replace hamstring curl with barbell shrugs.

IMO, these are both very solid program choices if you're training 4 days per week.

Hope this helps, buudy!

[BreadAss]

hi i got a question , i have been doing shoulder press , side/front raises , arnold press to failure but after that i wont feel any sore at all.
Is it normal ? But people said that no pain no gain so am i gaining muscles ?

[BlackHeart0047]

I'm 18 years old and I have been going to gym for 2 and a half years, but I find my self having some fat in me and does not have that lean look with cuts and ABS etc etc,

I recently bought a Nitro Tech and a Lipo 6 Black (fat burner). My goal is to have lean muscles (not too bulky). Currently I do have muscles but its not ripped and its not the way i want it.

I bought the Nitro Tech thinking that it would give me protein to gain more muscles and the fat burner to help me in cutting,
Also, I am planning to use the fat burner only for one month with the reduced dosage of 2 caps in the morning and 2 in the evening (Recommended by product: 3 caps in morning and 3 afternoon).

PLEASE give me advice in using them. THANKS!

[Andyzor]

I'm Back here again

I was just reading up on Progressive overloading. Should this have any relation to me when I'm trying to cut?
I know that when you try to cut strength gains are possible but very hard to come by.

I have been increasing weights for my exercises each week, is this correct?

[whitetigerwoods]

Planning on starting my slow bulk soon but I've gone on a mini-binge because my birthday is tomorrow lol. Should I wait a few days for the water weight to subside then start bulking?

[monkeybutter]

I'm 18 years old and I have been going to gym for 2 and a half years, but I find my self having some fat in me and does not have that lean look with cuts and ABS etc etc,

I recently bought a Nitro Tech and a Lipo 6 Black (fat burner). My goal is to have lean muscles (not too bulky). Currently I do have muscles but its not ripped and its not the way i want it.

I bought the Nitro Tech thinking that it would give me protein to gain more muscles and the fat burner to help me in cutting,
Also, I am planning to use the fat burner only for one month with the reduced dosage of 2 caps in the morning and 2 in the evening (Recommended by product: 3 caps in morning and 3 afternoon).

PLEASE give me advice in using them. THANKS!

dont rely on supplements to lose the fat for you... nothing replaces good diet and proper nutrition. look up some of the nutrition threads and if you really want to lose that fat, follow what they say and commit

[N4J4R]

hi i got a question , i have been doing shoulder press , side/front raises , arnold press to failure but after that i wont feel any sore at all.
Is it normal ? But people said that no pain no gain so am i gaining muscles ?

Soreness or DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) is not an indicator or growth. Training to failure is also not necessary.

I'm 18 years old and I have been going to gym for 2 and a half years, but I find my self having some fat in me and does not have that lean look with cuts and ABS etc etc,

I recently bought a Nitro Tech and a Lipo 6 Black (fat burner). My goal is to have lean muscles (not too bulky). Currently I do have muscles but its not ripped and its not the way i want it.

I bought the Nitro Tech thinking that it would give me protein to gain more muscles and the fat burner to help me in cutting,
Also, I am planning to use the fat burner only for one month with the reduced dosage of 2 caps in the morning and 2 in the evening (Recommended by product: 3 caps in morning and 3 afternoon).

PLEASE give me advice in using them. THANKS!

Nitro Tech is an overpriced product at times. Take this supplement as you require it. Only use it to fill in gaps in your diet. Focus on food sources first.
Fat burners tend to consist of a tonne or caffeine and not much else. They are, IMO, a waste of money. Get a regular whey product (shop around) and put the money you'd spend on fat burners to something like food. In order to cut, consume 200-400 calories below maintenance requirements whilst ensuring you have boosted protein intake. Trying to cut and gain significant amounts of lean tissue at the same time is not advisable. Cut to lose weight and then bulk to gain lean tissue. Don't waste time trying to do both at once.

I'm Back here again

I was just reading up on Progressive overloading. Should this have any relation to me when I'm trying to cut?
I know that when you try to cut strength gains are possible but very hard to come by.

I have been increasing weights for my exercises each week, is this correct?

If you're able to progress up the weights whilst maintaining good form, keep doing so, IMO.

Planning on starting my slow bulk soon but I've gone on a mini-binge because my birthday is tomorrow lol. Should I wait a few days for the water weight to subside then start bulking?

Your choice. I would personally just start bulking. The way I see it; It's just water weight.

[BamaBruce]

1. Please point me in the right direction for lean bulk macros

2. How can I battle visceral fat most effectively?

[iN7eL]

Quick question! I'm 5'11 and weigh 95kg I Think (14.5stone) Looking to cut up quite a lot - I generally don't thjink i weigh this much however, How many times should i be doing cardio If im looking to burn all this fat off, im currently doing a 3day spilt chest/tri Back/bi Legs/ Shoulders

[Andyzor]

Thanks again N4J4R

[N4J4R]

1. Please point me in the right direction for lean bulk macros

2. How can I battle visceral fat most effectively?

1. Use this thread, bro: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=121703981

2. You cannot spot reduce fat, so in order to lose weight (and hopefully fat) you'll need to be at a caloric deficit. A deficit of around 200-400 calories will suffice.

Quick question! I'm 5'11 and weigh 95kg I Think (14.5stone) Looking to cut up quite a lot - I generally don't thjink i weigh this much however, How many times should i be doing cardio If im looking to burn all this fat off, im currently doing a 3day spilt chest/tri Back/bi Legs/ Shoulders

Firstly, I suggest you get on an actual routine. Rippetoes SS or babylovers modified version are both very solid choices.
You don't have to do cardio in order to lose weight. Cardio is still good, though. 2-3 times per week would be a good idea, IMO. In order to lose weight, you'll need to be in a caloric deficit. A deficit of around 200-400 calories will be fine. Also make sure protein consumption is boosted whilst you're in a deficit.

Thanks again N4J4R

Anytime mate

[whitetigerwoods]

parents really want me to focus these last 6 weeks of school, so i promised on not getting back into the gym until i finish my finals. kinda feels bad, but i'll have all the time in the world once i leave high school. if anything, i'll try to lift a few times.

what should i do until i'm able to lift again, just eat maintenance?

[Dimaga]

Workout out at night instead mid day.
So after eating all day and than working out, will I keep the protein I have intaked until I workout?
Sometimes I'm too busy during the day with work to go in the middle of all my meals so I go at night.

I'm thinking that it doesn't matter, at least you get your workout in the day and enough time to sleep since it is critical.

[monkeybutter]

Workout out at night instead mid day.
So after eating all day and than working out, will I keep the protein I have intaked until I workout?
Sometimes I'm too busy during the day with work to go in the middle of all my meals so I go at night.

I'm thinking that it doesn't matter, at least you get your workout in the day and enough time to sleep since it is critical.

i'm thinking that too, as long as you hit your macros, and maybe have like a recovery shake after you work out you should be fine. it seems to be working for me and we have about the same stats

[MejiaCO]

Hey I'm new to the forum but not to the website, I have been lifting for like 2 years but constancy has not been my main atribute, lousy diet and I skipped workout frequently.

My stats are something like:

Age 17
Weight: 185 Pouns
Height: 5'11-6'
Bodyfat:15-20% I'd say it's around 17%

By the way about strength, my 3 rep Bench Press is 130 pounds, Bicep Curl with DB is 30 pounds and can do about 10 Chin-ups, not sure about Pull ups, probably 5 straight.

I have tried a lot of workouts like rippetoe which I did for like 2 months with no good gains (Again I wasn't very constant), I also followed Gladiator Training which is in the BB page designed for Hockey Players for which I made some good gains and lastly I was following Westside for Skinny Bastards and although the gains are good bodyfat has increased and I think I'm stalling.

Now all the posts here talk about how the BB routines are bad and I should follow Rippetoe program or Starting Strenght, compound lifts but it is hard for me to do heavy lifts in my gym since there are no olympic barbells and the floor is very fragile.

My question is about all the fuzz about low reps strenght programs while I made most of my progress with regular 3x12 exersices, I now want to shed some fat so what program do you recommend me to follow, I was thinking about one from Kris Gethin, either Hardcore 12 Week or Body Transformation Plan, this time trying to follow everything exactly as they say.

[BlackHeart0047]

Soreness or DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness) is not an indicator or growth. Training to failure is also not necessary.



Nitro Tech is an overpriced product at times. Take this supplement as you require it. Only use it to fill in gaps in your diet. Focus on food sources first.
Fat burners tend to consist of a tonne or caffeine and not much else. They are, IMO, a waste of money. Get a regular whey product (shop around) and put the money you'd spend on fat burners to something like food. In order to cut, consume 200-400 calories below maintenance requirements whilst ensuring you have boosted protein intake. Trying to cut and gain significant amounts of lean tissue at the same time is not advisable. Cut to lose weight and then bulk to gain lean tissue. Don't waste time trying to do both at once.



If you're able to progress up the weights whilst maintaining good form, keep doing so, IMO.



Your choice. I would personally just start bulking. The way I see it; It's just water weight.

Thanks for the reply. As i got some fat (i'm not saying that i'm fat, i just to do more cutting), do you recommend me to take a whey?......

How about using the fat burner and nitro tech together for ONLY ONE MONTH, and then switch to a whey to gain muscles, by the time i would reduce my fat, with the fat burner?

And also what is the best way to use Nitro Tech?........I take 2 scoops before workout and 1 scoop after workout. And 1 scoop in the morning when not going to gym......is it going to work?

[Jaykmanpa]

You said any question? Well I know it isn't the best for my age and I've read to not do it at my age but I am 6' 162lb. And I can't seem to get any bigger so I sorta looked into testosterone pills and went ahead and bought epidrol and the pct metabo-test and this is my first day taking it. I'm taking it as recommended and what it says to. Exactly how bad is it for me to take this at my age?

[Sandoni]

You said any question? Well I know it isn't the best for my age and I've read to not do it at my age but I am 6' 162lb. And I can't seem to get any bigger so I sorta looked into testosterone pills and went ahead and bought epidrol and the pct metabo-test and this is my first day taking it. I'm taking it as recommended and what it says to. Exactly how bad is it for me to take this at my age?

If you've read to not to do it, why'd u do it?! Testosterone pills are not for you and I wouldn't recommend them for anyone except for people older than 35 just to give them a boost.

My advice is to keep it natural. Your body releases testosterone mainly when you sleep (7-8 hrs best), doing compound movements (squats), and when you get laid. So next time when you wake up erected you know your body has been releasing testosterone. If you never experienced that then yeah get them pills lol

[Matmah]

Hey guys im new here im 19 and i've been lurking for some time and now i have a question for you: Im trying to do a mass/muscle gaining workout and i would like to know what should i eat before my training and after? Usually after the daily training im drinking whey proteine and when i feel hungry i eat a banana and drink green tea

[NeoginCF]

parents really want me to focus these last 6 weeks of school, so i promised on not getting back into the gym until i finish my finals. kinda feels bad, but i'll have all the time in the world once i leave high school. if anything, i'll try to lift a few times.

what should i do until i'm able to lift again, just eat maintenance?

Eat maintenance or just below, but 6 weeks of non lifting will cause you to lose muscle no doubt. Maybe do some kind of plyometrics or get 1 full body session a week or so. That last one looks like a decent compromise.

Workout out at night instead mid day.
So after eating all day and than working out, will I keep the protein I have intaked until I workout?
Sometimes I'm too busy during the day with work to go in the middle of all my meals so I go at night.

I'm thinking that it doesn't matter, at least you get your workout in the day and enough time to sleep since it is critical.

i'm thinking that too, as long as you hit your macros, and maybe have like a recovery shake after you work out you should be fine. it seems to be working for me and we have about the same stats

Time of workout doesn't really matter I think unless it affects the workout itself. Meal timing is not really that important, see diets like IF. The recovery shake is mainly broscience and things like the "anabolic window" have been disproven times and times again.

Hey I'm new to the forum but not to the website, I have been lifting for like 2 years but constancy has not been my main atribute, lousy diet and I skipped workout frequently.

My stats are something like:

Age 17
Weight: 185 Pouns
Height: 5'11-6'
Bodyfat:15-20% I'd say it's around 17%

By the way about strength, my 3 rep Bench Press is 130 pounds, Bicep Curl with DB is 30 pounds and can do about 10 Chin-ups, not sure about Pull ups, probably 5 straight.

I have tried a lot of workouts like rippetoe which I did for like 2 months with no good gains (Again I wasn't very constant), I also followed Gladiator Training which is in the BB page designed for Hockey Players for which I made some good gains and lastly I was following Westside for Skinny Bastards and although the gains are good bodyfat has increased and I think I'm stalling.

Now all the posts here talk about how the BB routines are bad and I should follow Rippetoe program or Starting Strenght, compound lifts but it is hard for me to do heavy lifts in my gym since there are no olympic barbells and the floor is very fragile.

My question is about all the fuzz about low reps strenght programs while I made most of my progress with regular 3x12 exersices, I now want to shed some fat so what program do you recommend me to follow, I was thinking about one from Kris Gethin, either Hardcore 12 Week or Body Transformation Plan, this time trying to follow everything exactly as they say.

Tip 1: get another gym

Kris gethin's program is decent, but the fuzz about low rep training is to make you strong fairly fast. You can make good visual gains at higher rep ranges but since you are still benching below a plate I doubt they were that good. The most important thing is consistency and dedication, if you follow everything kris says you will see good results.

You said any question? Well I know it isn't the best for my age and I've read to not do it at my age but I am 6' 162lb. And I can't seem to get any bigger so I sorta looked into testosterone pills and went ahead and bought epidrol and the pct metabo-test and this is my first day taking it. I'm taking it as recommended and what it says to. Exactly how bad is it for me to take this at my age?

I would not advise you to take a PH and would advise you to stop immediatly. If you do decide yo go on with this get a real pct, a SERM that is. DO this as fast as possible or quit and restart your PH. One day isn't gonna change a lot but if you don't get a real PCT like nolvadex/torem you are setting yourself up for some real strong side effects.

Again u don't need a PH at your age/size, but I'm not your father do whatever you want but please get a SERM. For more info go to other forums like http://tnation.t-nation.com or http://anabolicminds.com, the discussion of PH's and AAS is made illegal on this forum.

@MOD's don't delete/close thread/post this could be seriously dangerous to the poster.





Can't resist to call you an idiot for buying a PH without a SERM, idiot.

Hey guys im new here im 19 and i've been lurking for some time and now i have a question for you: Im trying to do a mass/muscle gaining workout and i would like to know what should i eat before my training and after? Usually after the daily training im drinking whey proteine and when i feel hungry i eat a banana and drink green tea

The post and pre workout meal aren't that important really. The only thing I would advice for a pre workout meal is that it contains some sort of carbs so that you have good energy in the gym. Which is probably the only use of a preworkout meal, not to "release broteinz during the lifting and keeping your muscles saturated etc. etc.". As long as you hit your macro's you'll be fine.

[Matmah]

Thanks for the quick reply Neogin!

[bmeister2011]

I'm thinking about taking the USP LABS ASTEROID STACK! I'm 18 in a week if thats relevant?!

But some websites say that HGH boosters will stop you from naturally producing HGH once you stop taking them, which means sexual dysfunction and that kind of crap.

Is it safe?

[NeoginCF]

Thanks for the quick reply Neogin!

You're welcome

I'm thinking about taking the USP LABS ASTEROID STACK! I'm 18 in a week if thats relevant?!

But some websites say that HGH boosters will stop you from naturally producing HGH once you stop taking them, which means sexual dysfunction and that kind of crap.

Is it safe?

I got one thumb rule about supplements, if they are legal they are probably not worth the money. That said this one is 170 $ for the stack, which makes me frown already. Found a study on GH supplementation:

***
1: Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1993 Apr;128(4):313-8.

Effect of growth hormone treatment on hormonal parameters, body composition and strength in athletes.

* Deyssig R,
* Frisch H,
* Blum WF,
* Waldhor T.

Department of Paediatrics, University of Vienna, Austria.

The effect of recombinant GH on strength, body composition and endocrine parameters in power athletes was investigated in a controlled study. Twenty-two healthy, non-obese males (age 23.4 +/- 0.5 years; ideal body weight 122 +/- 3.1%, body fat 10.1 +/- 1.0%; mean +/- SEM) were included. Probands were assigned in a double-blind manner to either GH treatment (0.09U (kg BW)-1 day-1 sc) or placebo for a period of six weeks. To exclude concurrent treatment with androgenic-anabolic steroids urine specimens were tested at regular intervals for these substances. Serum was assayed for GH, IGF-I, IGF-binding proteins, insulin and thyroxine before the onset of the study and at two-weekly intervals thereafter. Maximal voluntary strength of the biceps and quadriceps muscles was measured on a strength training apparatus. Fat mass and lean body mass were derived from measurements of skinfolds at ten sites with a caliper. For final evaluation only data of those 8 and 10 subjects in the two groups who completed the study were analyzed. GH, IGF-I and IGF-binding protein were in the normal range before therapy and increased significantly in the GH-treated group. Fasting insulin concentrations increased insignificantly and thyroxine levels decreased significantly in the GH-treated probands. There was no effect of GH treatment on maximal strength during concentric contraction of the biceps and quadriceps muscles. Body weight and body fat were not changed significantly during treatment. We conclude that the anabolic, lipolytic effect of GH therapy in adults depends on the degree of fat mass and GH deficiency.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

PMID: 7684551 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

This is with pure HGH injections and not just a booster. I'd suggest you to think twice about buying this stack really.

[bmeister2011]

Thanks for the quick reply, im going to get metrx whey and jack3d but is there any supplement you would recommend for building muscle with those two products?

[NeoginCF]

Thanks for the quick reply, im going to get metrx whey and jack3d but is there any supplement you would recommend for building muscle with those two products?

If you are going to eat the same meals every day on your bulk I would buy a multivitamin to make sure you don't miss out on some micronutrients. Some fish oil never hurts, more for general health than for muscle building. And last and probably least maybe some creatine monohydrate, the only supplement that has real studies showing that it works.

Personally I found Jack3d a bit underdosed, meaning I would need the full 3 scoops/workout to get a decent stimulation and 15 dosages for the 29€ I had to pay was pretty harsh. But that's just me and if you only need 1-2 scoops it is definately worth it. If you just need more focus you can do like a lot of people on here and just buy some pure caffeine and DMAA. Especially if you are not used to stimulants this would be way cheaper, make sure you get pre dosed capsules/tablets though. The difference between 50 mg and 150 mg of DMAA is a trip to the hospital, caffeine is less prone to OD but still with an effective range of 200mg-1g and an OD range starting at 3 gr it's not entirely safe.