Nate Marquardt: Test

[RedMaster]

quite the contradiction there. No "normal level" but "obvious" when it's high. Lolz. There is a baseline for normal levels by age.



LMAO. It very well might be a "bs excuse" for nate, chael and alot of guys in MMA. But low testosterone is a REAL medical condition that many men suffer from, and as you age (30+) it continues to decline your entire life to basically zero. That's why 60+ yr old men cant bang without viagra.

Here is a link for you although I do admit I didn't search very hard as I know my statements to be true.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ls-in-men.html

The fact of the matter is the AMA has no testosterone standard level and the level set by athletic commissions and the olympics is very high simply to er on the side of caution. We do not know what these levels are as they are not published to my knowledge.

[Gaash]

quite the contradiction there. No "normal level" but "obvious" when it's high. Lolz. There is a baseline for normal levels by age.



LMAO. It very well might be a "bs excuse" for nate, chael and alot of guys in MMA. But low testosterone is a REAL medical condition that many men suffer from, and as you age (30+) it continues to decline your entire life to basically zero. That's why 60+ yr old men cant bang without viagra.

If you think a professional athlete in his early 30s has naturally low testosterone you are beyond mentally retarded.

[RedMaster]

Sorry for my ignorance since I've never taken anabolics roids in my life but if you're argument is the fact that there's no "norm" for "low" testosterone levels, who sets the bar for it being "too high"?

I think that it's a double-edged sword.

Meh, even Royce Gracie tested positive for roids.

The athletic commission of the state the even will be held on or the Olympic committee for Olympic events. The reason there is no real known norm is because there has been very little research or funding supplied to conduct such a study. This is one of the reasons Dr's are able to supply such drugs to older people, and athletes, when the "diagnose" them with low test levels. This is a practice that skirts the line and is frowned upon in medical circles but there is no evidence to prove the doctor wrong and so these "clinics" disperse the drugs as they see fit. The reason this is not more widely used is because it is very expensive to seek "treatment" from such a place.

[Rambo66]

Basically it says every athlete is on test, which is basically steroids. Not like it's anything new in sports most ppl are on something. Pretty obvious how basically all athletes will find a doctor that says he has low test levels and get prescribed it. There is basically no way of doing professional sport unless your on something now, very sad but true.

[wrstlr152]

True, but why was this known in advance, and why was silvas after? Nate was also more prominent and was headlining an event

i think since marquardt was getting treatment the ufc knew about it, and it was up to marquardt to make sure his T levels were down to normal. since marquardt didn't get his T level back to normal it was his fault for getting treatment in the first place. if marquardt wouldn't have received treatment he would have passed his medical and would have fought on Sunday.

the other fighters who have been caught with high T levels, have done it thru other means, had not informed the ufc about it, and IMO should have had a stiffer penalty than what they received.

[DFS200]

I expected aids from piitb. Gjdm!

[DeadliftKing520]

he said he was taking an over the counter supplement a few years back. i wonder what it was?

[BPP]

strong ignorance ITT

-people under 40 do need and get HRT on a normal basis
-telling those with low test to "deal with it" is stupid, considering that low test is a causal factor to a host of serious medical problems
-true HRT should only raise your levels above normal levels for 1-2 days max after injection if you're taking a proper amount...the rest of the week should be in the high-normal range

[2kool4skool]

How many times are we going to buy these guys bull**** excuses for why they are testing positive/too high?

Nate tried to cheat(again) he got caught(again.) In the process, he cost the UFC a lot of money they had spent specifically promoting him as a main-eventer. Sure Sonnen hasn't been fired, but he's far more valuable to the company. Nate has little to no drawing power, so when he screws up, he's not going to be given leniency, same as any other job in the world.

Good riddance.

[sni2pal]

I wonder what else MMA fighters are taking. HGH and EPO maybe?

[TexAss]

strong ignorance ITT

-people under 40 do need and get HRT on a normal basis
-telling those with low test to "deal with it" is stupid, considering that low test is a causal factor to a host of serious medical problems
-true HRT should only raise your levels above normal levels for 1-2 days max after injection if you're taking a proper amount...the rest of the week should be in the high-normal range

This.



I do wonder what the ceiling is though. Curious as to what they define as "too high."

BPP, what do you make of his assertion that he was on pills then switched to shots. Bullsh!t? Or were they referring to troches?

[jamez123]

If you think a professional athlete in his early 30s has naturally low testosterone you are beyond mentally retarded.

if you think professional athletes never dabbled in and experimented with steroids in their teens/20s and messed up their ability to naturally produce testosterone later in life and now have low levels in their 30s you are beyond mentally retarded.

which is EXACTLY what nate claims he did: http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/06/2...on-ufc-firing/

[A-DzO]

Nate says he used androstenediol a few years back. Was legal over the counter till 2005. Used it for "several" years, dunno if that causes your natural test to shut off ie: Jose Canseco..

[jamez123]

Nate says he used androstenediol a few years back. Was legal over the counter till 2005. Used it for "several" years, dunno if that causes your natural test to shut off ie: Jose Canseco..

Yes.. taking steroids causes your natural production to shut off until you stop. The longer your on the more long term effect it has. Depending on your body's endocrine system you may or may not ever produce a normal level of test again.

It's very plausible if he took oral steroids for "years" that he now would need artificial test replacement therapy.

[RoccoTanno123]

well, if what Nate said is accurate, Dana's probably going to have to come down some, or else this will have to effectively set a zero tolerance policy from hereon out, since there's no way--if what Nate says is 100% accurate--that he deserves worse than guys like Silva and Sonnen.

[TexAss]

If Nate had six weeks to fix it, as the athletic commission and Dana have stated, and stopped when he was told he needed to fix it and still tested above the upper limits then he was on Jay Cutler doses plus some. Or, he didn't come off as he has stated.

There are a number of holes in his story, IMO.

[Amoral]

quite the contradiction there. No "normal level" but "obvious" when it's high. Lolz. There is a baseline for normal levels by age.



LMAO. It very well might be a "bs excuse" for nate, chael and alot of guys in MMA. But low testosterone is a REAL medical condition that many men suffer from, and as you age (30+) it continues to decline your entire life to basically zero. That's why 60+ yr old men cant bang without viagra.

Pretty sure the majority of guys with erectile dysfunction do not have low test levels.

How many times are we going to buy these guys bull**** excuses for why they are testing positive/too high?

Nate tried to cheat(again) he got caught(again.) In the process, he cost the UFC a lot of money they had spent specifically promoting him as a main-eventer. Sure Sonnen hasn't been fired, but he's far more valuable to the company. Nate has little to no drawing power, so when he screws up, he's not going to be given leniency, same as any other job in the world.

Good riddance.

werd dude got caught

[HardGainer82]

He f*cked up a main event that was already f*cked up, and he was on thin ice with Dana as it was. He'll be back.

[Gaash]

if you think professional athletes never dabbled in and experimented with steroids in their teens/20s and messed up their ability to naturally produce testosterone later in life and now have low levels in their 30s you are beyond mentally retarded.

which is EXACTLY what nate claims he did: http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/06/2...on-ufc-firing/

So because he's been using + breaking the rules while competing etc. now it's somehow ok for him to use? You don't suddenly shut down your bodies ability to produce test by running a cycle or two. It takes a lot more than that. Nate clearly is a user, and has been for a while, as are many fighters who have never been caught. HRT is necessary for some people, but the vast majority if not all the pro-athletes and MMA fighters who are on it is to get a free pass to use steroids to improve performance, and not for any medical reason. Just like how every endurance athlete has asthma etc. etc.

[rude2683]

Pretty surprised at the ignorance on HRT or TRT considering we are on a bodybuilding website...Only a few posters had intelligent answers concerning HRT/TRT in this thread.

HRT doesn't give you an "advantage", its intentions is to get your test levels at the normal range. Yes people do cheat the system by doing a cycle, then getting bloodwork to be prescribed the medicine. But that's irrelevant since now they will be tested for it (To see if they are in the Normal range).

Many people suffer from low test levels, regardless if they took steroids anytime in their lives. It can range from a past steroid user to a teenager/young adult that may have an issues with their endocrine system.

If he had legit problems with low test levels, then their is no issue. Its purpose is to improve the quality of life (improved libedo, energy, outlook).

You would be surprised at the amount of people that receive HRT in their 30's and above.

[jamez123]

So because he's been using + breaking the rules while competing etc. now it's somehow ok for him to use?

Nate already admitted he used OVER THE COUNTER supplement that was later found to contain a steroid, for "several years"....

You don't suddenly shut down your bodies ability to produce test by running a cycle or two. It takes a lot more than that.

No.. it doesnt. There are many stories of guys having residual side effects from a SINGLE cycle of steroids. The human body is unique and different in every individual.

Nate is a "cheater" yet he didn't a) fail the drug test and b) notified the commissions AHEAD of his fights that he was on test for medical uses and c) they said it was ok as long as his levels tested in their limit.

For that he gets fired.. but it's cool for chael (Fail) sonnen to blatantly lie about his use and then get offered a TUF coaching job.. since he got caught after the ufc made their money off him.

[Gaash]

Pretty surprised at the ignorance on HRT or TRT considering we are on a bodybuilding website...Only a few posters had intelligent answers concerning HRT/TRT in this thread.

HRT doesn't give you an "advantage", its intentions is to get your test levels at the normal range. Yes people do cheat the system by doing a cycle, then getting bloodwork to be prescribed the medicine. But that's irrelevant since now they will be tested for it (To see if they are in the Normal range).

Many people suffer from low test levels, regardless if they took steroids anytime in their lives. It can range from a past steroid user to a teenager/young adult that may have an issues with their endocrine system.

If he had legit problems with low test levels, then their is no issue. Its purpose is to improve the quality of life (improved libedo, energy, outlook).

You would be surprised at the amount of people that receive HRT in their 30's and above.

Dude. We all know there is an issue. However, what are the odds that all these pro athletes have issues like this, and what are the odds they are using it to only get to a 'normal' range. The answer to all that is pretty much zero. Just like how all athletes have asthma. It's so they can use Beta-2 Agonists like clen. You really think every top level swimmer and cyclist and track runner has asthma??? Cmon guys use your heads!!

[690]

I don't like the whole 'I would have been at normal levels by fight time' excuse.

That means you can get through most of your training camp and for who knows how long beforehand with abnormally high levels only to test normal on fight day?

[Gaash]

I actually want Marquardt back in the UFC and I don't care if guys take steroids even to get their test levels to 20,000. I want to see the best fighters in action and most guys are using anyway. However, I am simply arguing that his excuses are a load of **** and that he is most likely (by most likely I mean 99% probability) using test to gain an edge not to boost his testosterone to just 'normal' levels. While everything you say is POSSIBLE, it's highly unlikely that is the reason. What is more likely, that Marquardt is trying to gain an edge like just about every pro athlete in the universe, or that he is 185lbs solid muscle while training several hours intensily a day and has low test levels. Unless you define low as under 1000, I call bs.

Nate already admitted he used OVER THE COUNTER supplement that was later found to contain a steroid, for "several years"....


No.. it doesnt. There are many stories of guys having residual side effects from a SINGLE cycle of steroids. The human body is unique and different in every individual.

Nate is a "cheater" yet he didn't a) fail the drug test and b) notified the commissions AHEAD of his fights that he was on test for medical uses and c) they said it was ok as long as his levels tested in their limit.

For that he gets fired.. but it's cool for chael (Fail) sonnen to blatantly lie about his use and then get offered a TUF coaching job.. since he got caught after the ufc made their money off him.

[parkerbro1]

why wasn't chael sonnen fired?... bull****... unless nates leaving something out or im missing something, dana firing him was over the top... it sounds like nate actually tried to correct the error while chael just lied... hmmm sux

I honestly think it was because Chael went through with the fight and therefore didn't f up the Frittatas and Dana's money, whereas Nate couldn't fight and they had to bring in an almost unknown replacement last minute. Wouldn't be surprised if there were refunds and such. I also think us fans keep forgetting it's a business and not really about the fighters if they mess with that. Money first.

Not saying I agree or disagree...just stating my thoughts on it.

[hammercurl]

well, if what Nate said is accurate, Dana's probably going to have to come down some, or else this will have to effectively set a zero tolerance policy from hereon out, since there's no way--if what Nate says is 100% accurate--that he deserves worse than guys like Silva and Sonnen.

lets be real, nate knew wtf he was taking, and prob thought he could get away with it by using the otc excuse, heres a theory of mine, fighter x runs a cycle of test, goes to the docs after cycle then asks doc for a test which eventually shows he's low on test, doc then says he's gonna prescribe him some test, bingo just got away with cheating! all these fighters who got caught for using then blamed it on otc are full of ****

[legbrah]

[RoccoTanno123]

lets be real, nate knew wtf he was taking, and prob thought he could get away with it by using the otc excuse, heres a theory of mine, fighter x runs a cycle of test, goes to the docs after cycle then asks doc for a test which eventually shows he's low on test, doc then says he's gonna prescribe him some test, bingo just got away with cheating! all these fighters who got caught for using then blamed it on otc are full of ****

that's possible. As is Nate lying about exactly how much his Dr. was prescribing/dosing. After all, it does seem fishy that the guy would give him so much that he'd be put over the commission's allowed limit 3 weeks out from the fight and that it'd only supposedly drop down to the permitted range the exact day of the fight. Nate never named a single doctor in his interview either...

[lovemyar15]

Anyone else see the short video just before this happened of Nate talking about his weight cut to 170? He was saying he felt great this was the easiest weight cut of his life.

In my opinion if a guy uses steroids which later makes his test levels low I say tough sh*t. You cheated so you aren't going to get a free pass to get a prescription to correct the problem you created yourself by using illegal drugs. If you let them use prescription drugs for test then you open the door for them to use steroids during training camp with no ill-effects come fight time. They can get the steroids out of their system and take the prescription test so they can get back to normal levels or even the maximum allowable level allowed which could be well above "normal".

Feel free to debunk my theory in the previous paragraph because I admittedly know nothing of steroids since I've never used them, but I can see a "window of opportunity" here for the athletes to cheat.

Personally I don't care if the UFC allows steroids or not, but if they are going to make steroids illegal they need to make sure they close all the "windows of opportunity" otherwise the only people that pay the price are the ones that follow the rules.

[NephilimRising]

^^^This...Why do I keep hearing about all these fighters that test low on test so they have to take something synthetic to raise it? I thought these guys all had great genetics to reach this level as a professional athlete? I don't know of a single person in my day to day life that takes synthetic test because they tested low. I do know that some doctors will tell patients what ever they want to hear and give them subscriptions for things they may not need. So maybe a "good" doctor is a fighters best friend.

I would say...you tested low on test? Sorry about your luck with bad genetics because we don't allow any use of synthetic test for any reason in this sport.

1. take deca
2. test levels crash
3. get levels tested by doctors
4. acquire test cyp for low levels of test

it's a very common practice.