weaknesses of the current top tier pros

[RC2008]

Kai could use more traps, but he is not getting it.

This isn't like your back (meaning the whole back - proportional growth) or your legs where you can make it grow. His traps are going nowhere without site enhancement oils. And god do I pray he doesn't get tempted to ever use them on his damn traps.

I personally think Kai is maxed out on muscle gain. There is no way he is getting bigger muscle wise than he already is. And he does not need it. What he needs is to get insanely conditioned.

[POTA]

Kai could use more traps, but he is not getting it.

...

What he needs is to get insanely conditioned.

That's what I think too. He's not going to develop his traps and middle back much or at all more. So, he needs to get so conditioned that the detail of his traps and back are exposed.

[Rsardinia]

Kai has a bigger gut than Yates and Coleman and he's still in mid 30s. What about the current Mr Olympia? He has no gut!

And what about Kai's lack of detail in his back? Give me Phil Heath's back anyday.

Jay's got a gut, he just controls it very well.

[Outlined]

Would rather discuss the top pros' strengths to be honest.

nothing wrong with being positive but you can do that in some other thread perhaps? because now it's about weaknesses.

[Quadruped]

Kai Greene
-Disgusting bloated mid-section
-Terrible syntholed biceps
-Hamstrings/Quads that look syntholed like ****
-Severe palumboism in FDB
-No traps
-Generally unaesthetic physique

[Grapefruits]

Kai Greene
-Disgusting bloated mid-section
-Terrible syntholed biceps
-Hamstrings/Quads that look syntholed like ****
-Severe palumboism in FDB
-No traps
-Generally unaesthetic physique

He lurrves grapefruits

[SUPER_MANLET]

Kai Greene
-Disgusting bloated mid-section
-Terrible syntholed biceps
-Hamstrings/Quads that look syntholed like ****
-Severe palumboism in FDB
-No traps
-Generally unaesthetic physique

yeah true

[spamy]

The trolls are roaming around freely lately.

[Nep2une]

I wouldn't say Phil Heath's lower body is a weakness at all- in fact it's a strength. Yeh it may not be as good as the likes of Kai, Jay, Branch but they are big enough to complete his physique and from the side his legs can hang with anybody.

Also, I don't think Kai's delts and triceps lack size, they just don't have ideal shape, roundness insertions etc.

Jay's back isn't worthless, it has pretty decent shape and amazing size and thickness so it's just a symmetry and conditioning issue as you said.

I agree with you, Phil Heath has good quads and calves and VERY good hams and striated glutes. It's just that the other three guys Cutler, Kai and Branch have top 10 EVER type quads. Great competition these days.

[HoBuster]

"Aesthetics"? Lmao. You think a judge EVER awarded a competitor a win because of "aesthetics"? Even in the 70s?

You know nothing about bodybuilding.

huh? why do you think Labrada did so well? balance, proportions, and lines = an aesthetic physique

[Big Slim DaDDy]

including that pregnant looking turtle who won the olympia 8 times.

No. Ronald Dean Coleman has no equal or greater.

[Grapefruits]

lol @ kai loving *******s comparing the bloated mess to great ronnie.

[sexnews]

No traps and no back detail? Yea right!

[Grapefruits]

kais bis are full of synthol

[OtisBDriftwood]

lol @ kai loving *******s comparing the bloated mess to great ronnie.

Cam23, your dedication is admirable.

[Groggery]

Cam23, your dedication is admirable.

Only a matter of time until ban #2.

[POTA]

No traps and no back detail? Yea right!

His bdb is pretty good; though, those cuts could be a bit deeper and more pronounced. But his smoothness and lack of detail is especially apparent on the reverse lat spread (beautiful width, though).



Compare it to the detail in the reverse lat spread of Phil (note, I'm using Phil to show what we mean by detail. Phil of course has a good bit of work to do yet on areas such as width):

[spamy]

Cam23, your dedication is admirable.

Admirable is what someone like Babyslayer has achieved not being just a sh!tty troll.

[HOCH]

Branch Warren
-his physique is out of proportion
-he looks like a tyrannosaurus
-his physique sucks

LOL. I love how the rest of your critique was specific, and then you're like Branch Warren....... SUCKS!

[Xx7]

OH LOOK ANOTHER THREAD WHERE A NO AVI, LOW-MIDDLE CLASS CITIZEN, THINKS THEY CAN BASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE 10X THE PHYSIQUE THEY WILL EVER HAVE.
do you guys seriously ever stop and think, "hmm, maybe an ifbb judge knows a tiny bit more than me, and MAYBE these oh so sh*tty physiques will end up in the hall of fame, but trolololol herp derp im a fat **** who knows more dan all da pros.

yes mad, end rant, op *******

[Grapefruits]

Admirable is what someone like Babyslayer has achieved not being just a sh!tty troll.

who u calling a ****ty troll boy?

[DElftr1]

Anyone else notice Kais delts are also pretty small?

[railgunner22]

Branch Warren
-his physique is out of proportion
-he looks like a tyrannosaurus
-his physique sucks

fuking lol'd

[Bobby1291]

Kai Greene
-Disgusting bloated mid-section
-Terrible syntholed biceps
-Hamstrings/Quads that look syntholed like ****
-Severe palumboism in FDB
-No traps
-Generally unaesthetic physique

Are you retarded? Just curious.

[Tcrow]

Jay Cutler
-his back is worthless (not symmetrical--just look at his left lower lat, back is also very smooth and has no separation)
-his abdominals don't look very good because they're an odd shape

Phil Heath
-doesn't have the lower body size to trump guys like Cutler and Greene
-symmetry issues; his left arm is noticeably bigger than his right arm
-structural issues; he has a smaller frame than his competition and narrow shoulders/chest

Kai Greene
-his traps look underdeveloped, most apparent in the rear lat spread
-if you really want to nitpick, I think his triceps and delts could use a little bit more size

Dennis Wolf
-he has no calves
-he has high lats, making it appear that he has no muscle in his middle to lower back when he hits a back-double-biceps

Branch Warren
-his physique is out of proportion
-he looks like a tyrannosaurus
-his physique sucks

make sure you tell all of this to their face when you see them, they need your help..

[Tcrow]

OH LOOK ANOTHER THREAD WHERE A NO AVI, LOW-MIDDLE CLASS CITIZEN, THINKS THEY CAN BASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE 10X THE PHYSIQUE THEY WILL EVER HAVE.
do you guys seriously ever stop and think, "hmm, maybe an ifbb judge knows a tiny bit more than me, and MAYBE these oh so sh*tty physiques will end up in the hall of fame, but trolololol herp derp im a fat **** who knows more dan all da pros.

yes mad, end rant, op *******

repped when i recharge

[golfpunk1985]

oh look another thread where a no avi, low-middle class citizen, thinks they can bash people who have 10x the physique they will ever have.
do you guys seriously ever stop and think, "hmm, maybe an ifbb judge knows a tiny bit more than me, and maybe these oh so sh*tty physiques will end up in the hall of fame, but trolololol herp derp im a fat **** who knows more dan all da pros.

Yes mad, end rant, op *******

oh look another no-life ******* troll chiming in to criticise us for discussing bodybuilders on a bodybuilding forum!

[joshrider]

OH LOOK ANOTHER THREAD WHERE A NO AVI, LOW-MIDDLE CLASS CITIZEN, THINKS THEY CAN BASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE 10X THE PHYSIQUE THEY WILL EVER HAVE.

Now tell me, why do you feel that bodybuilding is the only sport in existence where people cannot attempt to discuss the specific strengths and weaknesses of the athletes that participate in the sport? Bodybuilding is about presenting a physique on stage; fans have a right to comment on and qualify the various strengths/weaknesses of a given bodybuilder. Overall mass, conditioning, balance between muscles, and apparent weaknesses should be discussed in the same way that hockey fans discuss goals, assists, skating ability, defensive/offensive capability, and toughness of hockey players.

Of course, you'll still get your fair share of idiots who don't know wtf they are talking about.

Of course, you'll still get your fair share of idiots who are only here to insult a specific bodybuilder who they don't like.

Of course, you'll still get your fair share of idiots who cannot handle any objective criticism of a bodybuilder just because they like them.

Still, why else would we be in a forum titled "IFBB Pro Bodybuilding" if not to discuss the actual sport?

[trulyhuge1]

Would rather discuss the top pros' strengths to be honest.

1- that was not the topic.
2- create a thread concerning that?

Onto the topic at hand.
Phil- needs widthr....all that is needed. Top three at the O.....will be a threat.
Kai- not too sure of the whole "traps needs work" concept. Needs to hit his conditioning, not like last year. A mass monster who will be top 3 at the O....a legit threat.
Branch- Hard as nails....dry and grainy. Arms could be better but who cares to be honest. Those legs and conditioning make up for them.
Jay- Not a fan at all and never have been. Very nice guy in person and I respect him as a bodybuilder but he is very blocky. One side of his body (arms and legs) are noticeably smaller.

This will be a fun show to watch come Sept!

[lee4]

thought i'd post some said flaws...

for those wondering, here's a worthless back...


obvious arm symmetry issues...


high lats...(i heard a rumor wolf was actually born without lats and since his shoulders were so big he just flexes his rear delts for lat spreads and BDBs)


and a hideous t-rex...what competitive bodybuilder would EVER want to look this bad...


i left your blatantly blowing kai critique alone. two things kai has yet to bring to stage against cutler...size and conditioning. IF he does it will be a show worth seeing.

in the end, what some have so easily disregarded as horrible are still fantastic. you could take the "worst" of each of these guys, frankenstien the parts and still end up with a pro card bber that looks better than all of us here. sometimes i think it serves us well to keep these accomplishments in mind. wolfs high lats or phil's narrow structure is not a slight against them, but rather a true compliment to kai's low hung bat wings and jay's mack truck shoulder width...just as many of these characteristics could be exchanged comparatively.

is a little perspective too much to ask?