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    Six reasons Calisthenics are superior to Weights. Come at me

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    1. Bodyweight Training Requires Very Little Equipment
    There has never been a system of strength training more perfectly in harmony with the principles of independence and economy, and there never will be. Even the most ardent weightlifter will have to admit this fact.For the master of calisthenics, his or her body becomes a gymnasium. Most exercises require no equipment, although if you wish the exercises can be enhanced with a few items that can be found lying around in almost any home. The very most you'll need is a place to hang from, and every one of us can locate such a place if we look; stairs, a loft hatch, even the branches of a tree! No gym is required, and very little space-at most, the equivalent to the length of your own body, often even less.

    Whereas other strength training systems use metal weights, cables, chains or machines to produce resistance, the vast majority of calisthenics exercises exploit a free form of resistance-gravity. With no gym or equipment required, there is nothing to store away; no clutter. Plus, it means that you can train anywhere you happen to find yourself-on holiday, in a different city, at work-anywhere. You aren't tied to specific locations. This factor is precisely why calisthenics has survived and thrived in prisons, where equipment is minimal and a prisoner could be moved anywhere- even solitary confinement-at a moment's notice. Another big plus is that calisthenics training is free. No equipment means no financial investment, and no gym means no membership fee. Ever.

    2. Bodyweight Training Develops Useful, Functional Athletic Abilities
    Calisthenics is the ultimate in functional training. This is another one of the reasons it's so popular with convicts-when trouble kicks off, you need to be able to really move in prison. "All show and no go" might be okay in a nightclub, but in the Pen you had better be able to handle yourself. In nature, the human body doesn't need to move barbells or dumbbells around. Before it can move anything external at all, it has to be able to move itself around!

    The legs need the strength to be able to easily manage the weight of the torso in athletic motions, such as running or in combat; the back and arms require the power to be able to pull or push the body up or away. It's sad to see that so many modern bodybuilders don't understand this fact. They train, first and foremost, to be able to move external objects. They may become very good at it, but this approach neglects and eventually compromises the prime athletic directive of self-movement.

    I have met hulking trainees who could squat five hundred pounds, but who waddled up a flight of stairs, wheezing like old men. I know one powerlifter who can bench press four hundred pounds, but who can hardly comb his hair due to his uneven, unnatural physical development. The practice of calisthenics will not cause any of these movement problems, because it is essentially a form of training in movement. Old school calisthenics will make you supremely strong, but no matter how advanced you become in this area, you will only ever become more agile and limber in your movements, never less, because you are training the muscles to move the body rather than something external.

    3. Bodyweight Training Maximizes Strength
    Calisthenics movements are the most efficient exercises possible, because they work the body as it evolved to work; not by using individual muscles, or the portions of a muscle, but as an integrated unit. This means developing the tendons, joints and nervous system as well as the muscles. This synergy in motion is what causes calisthenics to build such impressive strength. Many weight-trainers-no doubt influenced by bodybuilding philosophy-believe that rippling muscles are the source of strength. In fact, it's the nervous system that causes the muscle cells to fire, so your strength and power are largely determined by the efficiency of your nervous system. The nervous component of strength explains why one man can have muscles far, far smaller than another, yet be vastly stronger.

    Very strong men will all tell you that tendon strength is probably more important for true power than muscle size. Calisthenics motions work the joints and tendons as they are meant to be worked, resulting in greater levels of power than weight-training movements can develop. (See reason 4.) Another reason why calisthenics are so efficient in developing raw strength is that they train the athlete to work multiple muscle groups at once. A bodyweight squat, for example, works not just the quadriceps at the front of the thighs, but the gluteus maxim us and minimus, the spine, the hips, abdomen and waist, and even the muscles of the toes. Proper bridging works over a hundred muscles! This fact overlaps perfectly with reason 2, given above, because the body has naturally evolved to move in a compound, holistic fashion.

    Many bodybuilding motions-particularly those done on machines-artificially isolate muscles, causing uneven development and lopsided functioning. In bodybuilding and a lot of weight-training, you get locked into a simple groove when performing techniques. This means that relatively small areas of the physical system (sometimes only individual muscles) get targeted by an exercise. But when training in calisthenics, you are forced to move your entire body; this requires coordination, synergy, balance and even mental focus. All these things develop nervous power, as well as muscular strength.

    4. Bodyweight Training Protects the Joints and Them Stronger-for Life
    In prison, you need to be all-over strong-no matter how old you are. Being hindered by weak or painful joints would make you very vulnerable, however big your muscles might look. It may surprise you, but this is one important reason why a lot of convicts deliberately avoid weight training. One of the major problems with modern forms of strength and resistance training is the damage they do to the joints.

    The joints of the body are supported by delicate soft tissues-tendons, fascia, ligaments and bursae-which are simply not evolved to take the pounding of heavy weight-training. Weak areas include the wrists, elbows, knees, lower back, hips, the rhomboid complex, spine, and neck. The shoulders are particularly susceptible to damage from bodybuilding motions. You'll be lucky to find anybody who has been lifting weights for a year or more who hasn't developed some kind of chronic joint pain in one of these areas.

    Don't just take my word for it. Go into any hardcore gym and you'll see lifters wrapping their wrists and knees, strapping their backs up with high-tech belts, and applying stabilizing straps around their elbows. The locker room will stink of menthol heat rubs and analgesic liniments, all applied to keep the pain at bay. Joint problems are a bodybuilder's constant companion.

    When the bodybuilder starts to abuse steroids, these problems become even worse; the muscles begin to develop at an incredibly fast rate-faster than the joints can keep up. By the time most bodybuilders are in their late thirties, the damage is done and pain IS a way of life, whether they stop training or not. This damage is done because bodybuilding motions are largely unnatural. In order to place a great deal of emphasis on the muscles, the body is forced to hoist heavy external loads in motions
    and at angles not usually found in nature. One side-effect of this punishment is a vast amount of stress on vulnerable joints, joints which are forced to endure this horror repetitively over time. The result is soft tissue tears, tendonitis, arthritis and other maladies.

    The joints become inflamed and scar tissue or even calcifications begin to build up, making the joints weaker and stiffer. Bodybuilding movements primarily target the muscles, which adapt much faster than the joints; this means that the more muscular and advanced a bodybuilder becomes, the worse the problem gets. When performed properly and in sequence, the calisthenics motions in this book will not cause joint problems-on the contrary, they progressively strengthen the joints over an athlete's lifetime, and actually heal old joint injuries. This beneficial effect occurs for two reasons. The first reason
    is basic physics; the resistance used is never heavier than the lifter's own bodyweight. The ridiculous, excessively heavy loads so admired in bodybuilding do not occur. The second reason is down to kinesiology-which is the science of movement. Simply put, the body has evolved over millions of years to be able to move itself, first and foremost; it was never "designed" to lift progressively heavier external loads on a regular basis.

    A kinesiologist might say that calisthenics movements are more authentic than weight-lifting techniques. When the body has to lift itself, in a pullup or squat, for example, the skeleto-muscular structure naturally aligns to the most efficient and natural output ratio. When lifting weights, this natural shift does not occur-in fact the bodybuilder has to learn to move as unnaturally as possible to force maximum emphasis onto the muscles. Pullups are a good example of the "authentic" nature of calisthenics; humans evolved, like our primate relatives, pulling ourselves up into trees by the branches.

    This anatomical heritage still exists in the human body, which is why people adapt very quickly and safely to pullup training. A bodybuilding alternative to pullups is the bent-over row; humans did not evolve to execute this movement, and as a result many lifters quickly injure their spine, lower back and shoulders when performing this exercise. The authentic movements offered by calisthenics apply the power of the joints naturally, as they evolved to be used. The result is that they develop in proportion to the muscular system, becoming more powerful over time rather than weaker and worn down. As the joint tissue rebuilds itself, former aches and pains are worked out of the system, and future injuries are avoided.
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    5. Bodyweight Training Quickly Develops the Physique to Perfection
    Strength and health should be the major goals of your training. You need to be as powerful and functional as you possibly can be, for a long time into your old age. Calisthenics can give you that. But let's be honest-we all want a little muscle, too. A lot, preferably. A big, beefy physique adds to the self-esteem and sends a message to other males saying "don't mess with me." This is an important part of prison culture. On the outside, it doesn't hurt with the ladies, either. The practice of modern calisthenics mainly builds endurance and a little aerobic toning, but it does virtually nothing for the physique. Old school calisthenics on the other hand, will pack slabs of muscle onto any frame, and take the physique to its optimal development via the shortest route possible.

    What's more, the final result won't be the freaky, artificial "pumped up" gorilla costume worn by modern steroid-using bodybuilders. It will be natural, healthy and in perfect proportion, like the athletes of Greece who modeled for the statues of the Greek gods which-even today-are seen as being the archetype of the perfect human body. In the pre-steroid era, the man widely thought of as possessing the most muscular-and most aesthetic physique of all time was John Grimek. John Grimek won the 1939 "Perfect Man" title, and was the only man in history to win the Mr. America title more than once, in 1940 and 1941.

    His physique was awe inspiring, and is still widely regarded now. Rugged and masculine, Grimek was the ultimate specimen. Unlike today's muscle-bound bodybuilders, he was also a phenomenal athlete. To finish his posing routine, he flipped onto his hands and did a handstand pushup, before lowering his feet to the ground in a perfect bridge, and spreading his legs until he was sitting in the splits. Grimek was an avid weightlifter, but he also claimed that he got much of his upper body muscle from handstand exercises. He preached the value of calisthenics, but few, it seems, listened. For indisputable proof that bodyweight training can develop a massive, muscular physique, take a look at the men's gymnastics next time it comes on TV. Those guys have massive biceps, shoulders like coconuts and lats that look like wings-all built simply by moving their own bodies against gravity. The way men used to train.

    6. Bodyeight Training Normalizes and Regulates Your Body Fat Levels
    Conventional bodybuilding is conducive to overeating. Forget the ripped pros you see in the magazines-no way do they look like that most of the time. They only do their photo shoots during the brief competition season, after months of strict and unhealthy dieting. In the off-season, these men are much heavier, carrying twenty, thirty or more pounds of superfluous body fat. And that's the top guys. The average bodybuilder is in a much worse situation; the magazines he reads religiously all tell him he needs way more protein than he actually does (in a cynical attempt to sell supplements) and as a result he chokes muscle-building foods down himself any chance he gets.

    Because the majority of amateur lifters are not on large doses of steroids, their metabolisms just aren't powerful enough to turn all those extra calories into muscle. The end result is that most guys become over-nourished and chubby when they begin lifting weights seriously. Weight-training and the psychology of overeating go hand in hand. Before a hard session, an athlete convinces himself that if he eats more, he'll lift better and put on beef. After a hard session, an athlete is artificially depleted and his appetite increases accordingly.

    The opposite dynamic occurs when an athlete begins training seriously in calisthenics. If obesity and bodybuilding are best friends, obesity and calisthenics are natural enemies. If your goal is to bent-over row 400 lbs., you could overeat as much as you like and probably still meet your goal despite carrying around a massive gut. But you couldn't set a goal of doing one-arm pullups without watching your bodyweight. Nobody ever became better at calisthenics by bulking up into a big fat pig.
    The goal of calisthenics is to master lifting one's own body. The fatter you are, the more difficult this becomes. Once you begin training regularly in calisthenics, the subconscious mind makes the connection between a leaner bodyweight and easier training, and regulates the appetite and eating habits automatically. I know this is true-I've seen it myself on many occasions. Guys who take up bodyweight training naturally drop flab. Try it and see.


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    Your attitude in title and closing incited me to neg you as you requested.
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    Did you even read what I posted?
    Hello.....????

    I said TL;DNR.






































































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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Hello.....????

    I said TL;DNR.
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    Originally Posted by GodlyBuddha View Post
    How about you take the time to read what I posted before you judge?
    I skimmed it. You are saying it is hte best, because some article or book has said calisthenics are good at building functional strength and can get someone in shape.

    It uses a lot of over-exaggerated absolutes, most likely backed by questionable and biased studies/science.

    It is akin to much of the tired horsesh*t that people post trying to incite arguments or debates. I won't bother myself to read a bunch of BS while I'm about to get ready to head out w/ friends.

    Functional Strength training is not hte best way to build a symmetrical physique, IMO.

    You can continue to do it, but you are right along the lines of crossfit people and I've yet to find a crossfitter who has only done functional training w/ an awe-inspiring physique.
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    If you don't do bodyweight moves in addition to weights, you are incomplete anyway.

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    all those big team trainers are wrong. what a buncha idiots. they shoulda been listening to people like op.

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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    I skimmed it. You are saying it is hte best, because some article or book has said calisthenics are good at building functional strength and can get someone in shape.

    It uses a lot of over-exaggerated absolutes, most likely backed by questionable and biased studies/science.

    It is akin to much of the tired horsesh*t that people post trying to incite arguments or debates. I won't bother myself to read a bunch of BS while I'm about to get ready to head out w/ friends.

    Functional Strength training is not hte best way to build a symmetrical physique, IMO.

    You can continue to do it, but you are right along the lines of crossfit people and I've yet to find a crossfitter who has only done functional training w/ an awe-inspiring physique.
    I only used this title to attract attention. I don't personally believe weights suck, in fact I believe if used right, they are great (Deadlift, Cleans, Squat), but not used in gay bodybuilding fashion (tricep kickbacks, preacher curls, all that gay ****). If you are wondering, this book is "Convict Conditioning", did not want to seem I am trying to advertise it but in case you are curious.

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    Tendon strengthening... 150lbs<400-500lbs+

    The stair example was horrible, powerlifters have no need to do cardio.

    If you bench alot of weight, that means you have a strong chest. If you squat alot that means you have strong legs. Do you think once those weights are not around their strength shrivels to nothing?

    You must also think bodybuilders are weak too? Cause you know, it's pretty obvious they built those muscles with the little pink DB's in the corner.
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    Originally Posted by MrMisanthrope View Post
    If you don't do bodyweight moves in addition to weights, you are incomplete anyway.

    pls go.
    In fact I do combine weights with calisthenics. I used hold dumbbells while doing Pistol Squats.
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    Originally Posted by GodlyBuddha View Post
    I only used this title to attract attention. I don't personally believe weights suck, in fact I believe if used right, they are great (Deadlift, Cleans, Squat), but not used in gay bodybuilding fashion (tricep kickbacks, preacher curls, all that gay ****). If you are wondering, this book is "Convict Conditioning", did not want to seem I am trying to advertise it but in case you are curious.

    The philosophies in this book are indeed correct (except I disagree with the author bashing weights that much, but mostly bashing bodybuilders doing curls and bench all day). I will post progress pictures if enough people are curious.
    Your title makes you appear like a douche. Your repeated use of "come at me" makes you seem like a douche.

    Your overall attitude in regards to any form of training other than what you deem useful or appropriate, makes you seem like a douche.



    Cliffs: You seem like a douche.

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    Originally Posted by Delgadido View Post
    all those big team trainers are wrong. what a buncha idiots. they shoulda been listening to people like op.

    http://arnlanl.blogspot.com/2010/09/...th-part-1.html
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Your title makes you appear like a douche. Your repeated use of "come at me" makes you seem like a douche.

    Your overall attitude in regards to any form of training other than what you deem useful or appropriate, makes you seem like a douche.



    Cliffs: You seem like a douche.

    + lawlz at you being so brainwashed by a single source of information.
    Douche.
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    Originally Posted by GodlyBuddha View Post
    This is teh internets.

    I posted this to start some interesting debates, so instead of flaming me, how about let's debate about the topic?
    Do you have any pics of your development to support the validity of your routine?
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    Originally Posted by joelash302 View Post
    Do you have any pics of your development to support the validity of your routine?
    Will do that soon, if enough people want me to, it will be posted in the Teen section
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    Originally Posted by GodlyBuddha View Post
    I only used this title to attract attention. I don't personally believe weights suck, in fact I believe if used right, they are great (Deadlift, Cleans, Squat), but not used in gay bodybuilding fashion (tricep kickbacks, preacher curls, all that gay ****). If you are wondering, this book is "Convict Conditioning", did not want to seem I am trying to advertise it but in case you are curious.

    The philosophies in this book are indeed correct (except I disagree with the author bashing weights that much, but mostly bashing bodybuilders doing curls and bench all day). I will post progress pictures if enough people are curious.
    If you used that stupid title to attract attention, you just need to deal with the fact that people are still just going to think you're self righteous and pretentious because of it, unless you edit your original post to include what you just said
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    Originally Posted by NZninja101 View Post
    If you used that stupid title to attract attention, you just need to deal with the fact that people are still just going to think you're self righteous and pretentious because of it, unless you edit your original post to include what you just said
    come at me
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    Originally Posted by GodlyBuddha View Post
    This is teh internets.

    I posted this to start some interesting debates, so instead of flaming me, how about let's debate about the topic?
    No.
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    Will do that soon, if enough people want me to, it will be posted in the Teen section
    lawlz @ teen section. Explains so much.
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    come at me
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    No.

    lawlz @ teen section. Explains so much.

    Douche.


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    Originally Posted by GodlyBuddha View Post
    You're the one looking immature right now, lmao


    is this how you got so swole?

    clearly someone couldnt handle the weight lifting so they are hatin on it
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    is this how you got so swole?
    clearly someone couldnt handle the weight lifting so they are hatin on it
    LMFAO, another Cloudsurfer in the making. Fail photoshop attempt is fail.
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    You're the one looking immature right now, lmao
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    Originally Posted by Delgadido View Post


    is this how you got so swole?

    clearly someone couldnt handle the weight lifting so they are hatin on it
    Not saying I'm swole brah, just saying I got good progress with calisthenics compared to my sickly 120-130 pound self. Besides I've only been working out for about a year but I gained a lot of knowledge reading books (Convict Conditioning, Power to the People by Pavel Tsatsouline, Beyond Bodybuilding by Pavel, Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe, etc)

    I tried lifting weights before, I know proper form and such and it's kind of fun, but I'm a devoted to calisthenics and believe in training wherever you are, whenever you want (I live in a place with no gyms)
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    Originally Posted by -Lucifer View Post
    LMFAO, another Cloudsurfer in the making. Fail photoshop attempt is fail.
    Not photoshop, the image was taken sideways and the whole pic was sideways. Rotated it in photosmart or some shit (stupid program on my computer). Fked with the proportions and the picture quality (lighting was terrible too).
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