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    The ultimate testosterone booster/estrogen blocker list

    I'd like to compile a list of ingredients that boost T and reduce E. Please contribute your suggestions or corrections and I will edit this post to keep list current.

    TEST BOOSTERS
    Tribulus (no merit)
    Maca
    Horny Goat Weed
    Mucuna
    L-Dopa (no merit)
    Fenugreek (no merit)
    Reservatrol (no merit)
    Longjack
    DAA
    Ashwagandha
    Shilajit
    Divanil


    ESTROGEN BLOCKERS
    Chrysin
    Diindolyl Methane
    Indole-3-carbinol (no merit)
    Ecdysterone (?)
    6-Bromo
    ATD
    Erase
    Formestane

    Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments.
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    list is incredibly bad. 2 relevant ingredients only
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    list is incredibly bad. 2 relevant ingredients only
    There's more then two, but it is fairly irrelevant
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    Originally Posted by AlphaTauMuscle View Post
    There's more then two, but it is fairly irrelevant
    I love our constantly opposing views . I only see fenugreek and longjack
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    I love our constantly opposing views . I only see fenugreek and longjack
    I know, were good for each other

    Mucuna (this is a form of L-dopa)
    Fenugreek
    Longjack
    Indole-3-carbinol (Similar to DIM)

    are all good
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    Testboosters

    DAA

    Estrogen Blockers (Also work as test boosters)

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    Originally Posted by AlphaTauMuscle View Post
    I know, were good for each other

    Mucuna (this is a form of L-dopa)
    Fenugreek
    Longjack
    Indole-3-carbinol (Similar to DIM)

    are all good
    L-Dopa will increase GH (which it really wont even), and the effects on sex hormones are indirect and insignificant.

    I3C has no merit as an estrogen blocker, but it is a healthy estrogen modulator when it comes to general health.
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    Updated.

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    I think I'm going to order all ingredients above and have the mother of hormonal domination.
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    L-Dopa will increase GH (which it really wont even), and the effects on sex hormones are indirect and insignificant.

    I3C has no merit as an estrogen blocker, but it is a healthy estrogen modulator when it comes to general health.
    L-dopa has been sited for GH increase, proactin control, as well as an increase in libido. I3C and DIM have the same principle as something like ZMA, it only works for the people that are "deficient" in it. I personally can't wait to get my hands on some

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    I think I'm going to order all ingredients above and have the mother of hormonal domination.
    You'll have nothing of the such, if anything you will be creating problems for yourself by superdosing several overlaping ingredients
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    How do you recommend taking the ingredients above?
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    Originally Posted by AlphaTauMuscle View Post
    L-dopa has been sited for GH increase, proactin control, as well as an increase in libido. I3C and DIM have the same principle as something like ZMA, it only works for the people that are "deficient" in it. I personally can't wait to get my hands on some



    You'll have nothing of the such, if anything you will be creating problems for yourself by superdosing several overlaping ingredients
    meh. A good read: http://broscience.com/andrew-abbate-...-carbinol.html
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    I've read several articles on that topic, i've been quite interested in this lately
    http://www.drugnatural.com/p/156497
    It states it's 10x more bioavaliable then normal I3C and more stable then DIM, Since my return to BB.com i've been doing a lot of research on the topic of effects on hormonal balance and hormonal ratios. I've been tempted to write a research paper on it. I've even had a few big time supplement proprieters chime in on the subject
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    Fenugreek does NOT boost testosterone. Period.

    Add to this list Ashwagandha and Shilajit(both proven to work in humans).
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    Ok, list updated.

    Anything else? Can anyone confirm reservatrol?

    Which ingredients on the list are the best of the best?
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    Fenugreek does NOT boost testosterone. Period.

    Add to this list Ashwagandha and Shilajit(both proven to work in humans).
    I goofed. Thought it said testofen. Hasnt it been shown that fenugreek may actually reduce testosterone/its markers?
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    Is porn proven to increase serum T levels? If so I will watch it at the gym on my phone while doing stationary bike warmup.
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    I goofed. Thought it said testofen. Hasnt it been shown that fenugreek may actually reduce testosterone/its markers?
    Testofen? Same deal. Check the only legit study available (not the in-house trial by the manufacturer...). Good for libido yet totally uneffective for testosterone.
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    Is porn proven to increase serum T levels? If so I will watch it at the gym on my phone while doing stationary bike warmup.
    Yeah apparently... but watching porn 24/7 would be an adDICKtion..
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    Tongkat ali (longjack) gave me puberty nut pain all over again.
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    Originally Posted by zrage View Post
    Tongkat ali (longjack) gave me puberty nut pain all over again.
    What does that mean? Is it proven to raise T levels? As we know nut pain or horniness does not prove higher T.
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    Originally Posted by chemicalromance View Post
    What does that mean? Is it proven to raise T levels? As we know nut pain or horniness does not prove higher T.
    Dunno qhat that means it just made mt nuts hurt alot and itsucked, i just started triazole/ax today i hope i dont get the same thing again ;(
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    triazole/ax worked for me, I don't know if it was placebo but I felt amazing and lifted a bit heavier everytime I was in the gym. But yeah I cannot overstate how amazing I felt mentally while on it. Great mood, great focus, and a feeling of "vitality" that was really nice. Even if they don't actually increase T, they are worth the money just for the mood enhancing effects. Let me know how they work out for you I'd love to know.

    I'm off to the gym. Someone please make some final suggestions.

    After I'm back I'm placing an order. So far I think I'm gonna get Myotest, just to try something new. If you could add ONE MORE t booster or e blocker to my cart, what would it be?

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    Originally Posted by chemicalromance View Post
    triazole/ax worked for me, I don't know if it was placebo but I felt amazing and lifted a bit heavier everytime I was in the gym. But yeah I cannot overstate how amazing I felt mentally while on it. Great mood, great focus, and a feeling of "vitality" that was really nice. Even if they don't actually increase T, they are worth the money just for the mood enhancing effects. Let me know how they work out for you I'd love to know.

    I'm off to the gym. Someone please make some final suggestions.

    After I'm back I'm placing an order. So far I think I'm gonna get Myotest, just to try something new. If you could add ONE MORE t booster or e blocker to my cart, what would it be?

    Thanks
    yeah right now i want a nice libido increase, and mood change, i dont need to gain any muscle im cutting down from 235 13%bf lol im at 225 10% i wana actually get leaner, but like i said i just want the alpha feeling and a tiny bit of help @ the gym. i made a log, ima be updating daily.
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    Originally Posted by AlphaTauMuscle View Post
    L-dopa has been sited for GH increase, proactin control, as well as an increase in libido. I3C and DIM have the same principle as something like ZMA, it only works for the people that are "deficient" in it. I personally can't wait to get my hands on some
    You cant be deficient in I3C or DIM so its not really the same as ZMA. I3C and DIM (which I dont think works nearly as well as I3C. If you read enough info on both youll find out the only reports that show DIM is better is by companies who sell DIM. Thats not the case with I3C) improve the conversion of "unhealthy estrogens to healthy estrogens".

    ZMA only works if you are deficient. Again it wont be a huge help but its cheap so to be able to rule out deficiencies while trying to boost test makes sense.

    Neither of the above would be bad but overall they will only contribute to minor increases in test and likely no changes in estrogen unless severely deficient.

    Originally Posted by chemicalromance View Post
    triazole/ax worked for me, I don't know if it was placebo but I felt amazing and lifted a bit heavier everytime I was in the gym. But yeah I cannot overstate how amazing I felt mentally while on it. Great mood, great focus, and a feeling of "vitality" that was really nice. Even if they don't actually increase T, they are worth the money just for the mood enhancing effects. Let me know how they work out for you I'd love to know.
    Given the amount of blood work from actual users of the products its safe to say Triazole and Activate Xtreme definitely increase test and lower estrogen. There arent any products available that have more actual blood test results then the AX / TZ combo.
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