certified and uncertified?

[tekkado]

so while at uni i wouldnt mind doing some personal training since working out is something that really interests me and im learning more and more everyday. but dont want to go and ''become' a personal trainer since its more a way to make money during uni if i can.
anyone on here uncertified and hows it going?

[Bradster101190]

Not many people post certifications here so I'd say there is a lot LOL. Had to throw it up!

[jdjprimer19]

Not many people post certifications here so I'd say there is a lot LOL. Had to throw it up!

...Or they realize that their certification does not define the quality of a trainer.

[Bradster101190]

Well why not pay 200 bucks and get one? Or just never prove they know anything..you could be the best surgeon in the world but in America you have to prove it not just say it.

200 bucks shouldn't be much at all to add to your reputation ...or you can just SAY" I don't need one I know my stuff!!"

[jdjprimer19]

Well why not pay 200 bucks and get one? Or just never prove they know anything..you could be the best surgeon in the world but in America you have to prove it not just say it.

200 bucks shouldn't be much at all to add to your reputation ...or you can just SAY" I don't need one I know my stuff!!"

Most regular's in this forum have at least one certification. It's nothing to flaunt over.

[Bradster101190]

How is it flaunting? I'm saying everyone should have one . I have 4 by the way...

Also people aren't posting any so yea..

[NYkarate]

A cert shows that you have worked at least hard enough to obtain one. It is an education and like a degree, it shows you had what it takes to get in the door. If a trainer didn't have the drive and brains to at least get a cert, I assume they can't be very good. To me it is the bare minimum of qualifications.

[Bradster101190]

Exactly bro. If your good at what you do , a cert is easy and will just show people you are serious. I use them for diversifying my experience and to put on my gyms wall.

[jdjprimer19]

How is it flaunting? I'm saying everyone should have one . I have 4 by the way...

Also people aren't posting any so yea..

I already stated that most regular's on this sub-forum do.

Do you want a pat on your back for having 4 certifications?

[Bradster101190]

Sure I could use a good pat, show me yours and ill pat you on the back.

You seem to be taking aggression in this for some reason?

[jdjprimer19]

Sure I could use a good pat, show me yours and ill pat you on the back.

You seem to be taking aggression in this for some reason?

As I stated earlier, a certification (or multiple certifications) does not determine the quality of a trainer. Joe Schmoe can have 20 certifications, but if he cannot apply his knowledge in a practical manner or keep up with the current literature, his certifications are worthless.

[Bradster101190]

So answer this.

Trainer A : Has 20 well known certifications and has worked out 5 years

Trainer B: Has no certifications and has worked out 5 years.

Who would you hire? A certification doesn't make a trainer I agree, but it helps a lot and is necessary.


So a Guy has personal experience from working out 5 years? Good job you can train yourself, no one can do that..now a pregnant woman comes in or a elderly man. Train them now...

That's what certifications do, they confirm you can safely and effectively train ANYONE , not just yourself. That wasn't exactly the point your defending but its close..

It comes down to every " personal trainer" should have one certification or they are just giving themselves a fancy title. My cousin straight out if high-school could be a " personal trainer" by those standards.

And applying knowledge you learn isn't rocket science, any decent certification will reach you how to apply there methods..

And keeping up with current literature?

The best certifications all require you get Continued Education Units (CEUs)meaning you have to continue courses or your certification becomes expired .

[Kmullins05]

I agree with bradster. The certification does not define the trainer, HOWEVER

Its the uncertified bastards that go and hurt a client because they have no concept of limitations and plateaus, etc. They are the reason there are groups of people who look at us like the bubonic plague..."ugh, a trainer, like you guys really know anything".

Sure it may just be some fancy letters at the end of your name, or a few extra lines at the bottom of an email. But damn is it neccessary to be taken seriously and not overlooked.

If your serious about trainer (not OP, just anyone in general). I recommend getting a CPT, if the course wasn't too challenging and you'd like to continue, get a NSCA CSCS. If this excites you, get a B.S. from a good school in Kinesiology. Then Masters, and PhD.

Well, thats my plan at least...just have to secure money for those last two

[Bradster101190]

Exactly buddy. Couldn't have said it better myself. I was going to get a masters but have the oppurtunity to open a gym sooner then expected so am getting that going then continueng my education.

[KyleAaron]

Neither a certification nor a degree show your competence as a trainer. They do, however, show that you have at least tried to be competent. It shows that at least a single sht was given.

No matter, clients usually figure out when you're just a clueless cowboy - unless, of course, some equally clueless celebrity endorses you, eg Gwyneth Paltry and Tracey Anderson. The free market takes care of the cocksmocks, more or less.

[jdjprimer19]

So answer this.

Trainer A : Has 20 well known certifications and has worked out 5 years

Trainer B: Has no certifications and has worked out 5 years.

Who would you hire? A certification doesn't make a trainer I agree, but it helps a lot and is necessary.

Your scenario is irrelevant as I have already stated multiple times that most trainer's in this forum have at least one certification. Why you are still comparing a certified trainer vs. a non-certified Joe Injectomorph is beyond me. Maybe you consumed a large dose of stupid with your pre-workout meal?

So a Guy has personal experience from working out 5 years? Good job you can train yourself, no one can do that..now a pregnant woman comes in or a elderly man. Train them now...

That's what certifications do, they confirm you can safely and effectively train ANYONE , not just yourself. That wasn't exactly the point your defending but its close..

Bolded for emphasis.

And applying knowledge you learn isn't rocket science, any decent certification will reach you how to apply there methods..

And keeping up with current literature?

This demonstrates your lack of competency. If you are baffled as to what keeping up with the current literature means, then you will fit perfectly into my aforementioned Joe Schmoe analogy.

[Bradster101190]

I would ask you for YOUR definition of this but you resulted to personal attacks. If your calling someone stupid over the internet your not even worth talking to.That shows your unprofessionalism and. I would bet you your not even a trainer just a " experienced " lifter who thinks he knows everything. I kept it civil and never insulted you but you starting dropping insults and personal attacks, you sound like someone everyone will listen to.

I already learnt from experience not to listen to random crap people say on forums. Anyone can be anything just by typing they are And your point you are repeating that everyone has 1 certification is a good one too considering no one can take 1 min to snap a picture including you.


Good Luck. Bro.

Btw you quoted me wrong I wasn't asking you what keeping up with the current literature means I was responding to your point. That was a sneaky quote , hopefully it was a accident but don't call me incompetent because you miss quote me to make me look so.

[carl.c]

Here we go again with the age old argument about *****.
Would you go to a doctor, lawyer or accountant if they had no formal training, I say no. Does this mean all doctors, lawyers, and accountants are good and qualified to to the job, no as we see from the law suits and other legal actions taken agaist them for incompadance. Yet the same people in are industry that make the claim of no cert neccecary would never go to an unlicended doctor or lawer and would they go to some accountant that learned just by doing, I dought it.
We as leaders in this indusrty must stand aginst the no-cert crowed for no other reason then a uniform understanding of knowedge limits and language. This is the only way we can clean up the industry and have some form of action to take agaisnt thoughts who are not competent.

[Bradster101190]

Preach on brother. I'm tired of this argument as well and have been here a few weeks.

If it was up to me you'd get a fine for training someone without a certification. You get a certification to make sure your doing safe practices and to show your dedication to the career.

If you dont want to pay 200 dollars and take one test at your house then you should choose a different career.

[igsm1969]

Preach on brother. I'm tired of this argument as well and have been here a few weeks.

If it was up to me you'd get a fine for training someone without a certification. You get a certification to make sure your doing safe practices and to show your dedication to the career.

If you dont want to pay 200 dollars and take one test at your house then you should choose a different career.

The bolded for sure! At the gym I used to be at, the owner at first was real big on making sure all trainers who trained at his gym were certified. Then he got a wild hair up his butt and decided certified trainers were not as good as his non-certified friends. I watched these non-certified friends train their clients. A lot of them did not watch their clients perform movements, and many clients had horrible form and those trainers did not correct that. These non-certified trainers attempted to give me bad form advice. I agree that a certification does not necessarily make a great trainer, however, one has to be educated on how to prevent injury, the proper ways to warm up and stretch to avoid injury, learn basic physiology and anatomy and understand what proper form is and why it is so necessary to avoid injury and to make exercise more effective and efficient.

It turned out that when the owner and his non-certified trainers found out that I am going for my NSCA-CPT and later CSCS, they treated me like a joke. One told me that he felt that certified trainers are elitists. The owner's wife told me that having my certification is not going to do me much good. I thought, "well see about that". Mainly, they have had the attitude that just because I lost a great deal of weight and have trained with trainers quite a bit that does not qualify me to go earn my cert. But I want to whip some people into shape because we have become a nation of inactivity due to all of this wonderful technology and I want to do it knowing fully how to prevent injury and be effective. I have already motivated lots of people through FB sites like Biggest Loser (and I do not agree with their method of weight loss....6 hours a day of working out....too excessive....and weight loss is too quick and I can imagine the loose skin from such a quick weight loss....I know personally because I lost 200 lbs 15 days shy of a year and along with the fat went the muscle leaving loose skin).

So, that is my take on it.

[KyleAaron]

There is a fine for being uncertified. It's called, "when your client gets injured, they sue you, and insurance doesn't cover it so you lose your house."

[jdjprimer19]

I would ask you for YOUR definition of this but you resulted to personal attacks. If your calling someone stupid over the internet your not even worth talking to.That shows your unprofessionalism and. I would bet you your not even a trainer just a " experienced " lifter who thinks he knows everything. I kept it civil and never insulted you but you starting dropping insults and personal attacks, you sound like someone everyone will listen to.

It's called sarcasm broski, deal with it. You started the thread off by making the assumption that "a lot" on this forum lack a certification. It's easy to see why you jumped to this conclusion. (see title Show off your Certifications! Familiar?)

I already learnt from experience not to listen to random crap people say on forums. Anyone can be anything just by typing they are And your point you are repeating that everyone has 1 certification is a good one too considering no one can take 1 min to snap a picture including you.

Newsflash, it's a personal training forum. Most trainers here have achieved the bare minimum requirements of adding at least one certification to their name. This has been my contention the whole time. Not everyone wishes to show off photograph's of their certifications.

Btw you quoted me wrong I wasn't asking you what keeping up with the current literature means I was responding to your point. That was a sneaky quote , hopefully it was a accident but don't call me incompetent because you miss quote me to make me look so.

I didn't misquote you. Your next paragraph spoke about obtaining CEU's. Most CEU's can be obtained in a rather short time frame, and there are many CEU's that do not keep one current with the literature. You should be expanding beyond your certifications.

Am I beginning to sound like a broken record? Maybe it will sink in eventually.

[Bradster101190]

It's called sarcasm broski, deal with it. You started the thread off by making the assumption that "a lot" on this forum lack a certification. It's easy to see why you jumped to this conclusion. (see title Show off your Certifications! Familiar?)



Newsflash, it's a personal training forum. Most trainers here have achieved the bare minimum requirements of adding at least one certification to their name. This has been my contention the whole time. Not everyone wishes to show off photograph's of their certifications.



I didn't misquote you. Your next paragraph spoke about obtaining CEU's. Most CEU's can be obtained in a rather short time frame, and there are many CEU's that do not keep one current with the literature. You should be expanding beyond your certifications.

Am I beginning to sound like a broken record? Maybe it will sink in eventually.

I will start off by explaining how you did misquote me to make it look like I was asking you the question when I was in fact stating your question then answering it. Nice try "broski"

You made my quote appear like this.

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The best certifications all require you get Continued Education Units (CEUs)meaning you have to continue courses or your certification becomes expired .

AND KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT LITERATURE?

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Like I was asking you what it meant but anyone can see in MY ACTUAL post I was ANSWERING.

This is what I actually said.

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And keeping up with current literature?

The best certifications all require you get Continued Education Units (CEUs)meaning you have to continue courses or your certification becomes expired .

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Now your losing ground fast but manipulating what I say isn't going to help "broski" .

Newsflash, it's a personal training forum. Most trainers here have achieved the bare minimum requirements of adding at least one certification to their name. This has been my contention the whole time. Not everyone wishes to show off photograph's of their certifications.

And yes you sound like a broken record, do you not comprehend ANYBODY , can come on here write done some bullcrap and call themselves a trainer? All it would take is 10 minutes to make a account and post and wham your in the " personal training section". If it was up to me you'd have to prove at least one certification before joining or people who provide proof get a seal of validation ect.

Sorry I don't believe everything I read on the internet. Posting in this forum alone doesn't make you a personal trainer anymore then posting in the female bodybuilding section makes you a a female bodybuilder.

Also when you said

Your next paragraph spoke about obtaining CEU's. Most CEU's can be obtained in a rather short time frame, and there are many CEU's that do not keep one current with the literature.

Well heres a cool idea man , its going to sound really hard to do and crazy but..PICK A CERTIFICATION AND CEU THAT DOES KEEP UP WITH CURRENT LITERATURE.

And as much as I like arguing with some dude I will never meet who started a argument with me on the internet I think its time to end it....you have your opinions and I have mine which by the way everyones agreed with so far so " deal with it" "broski"

Also try not to get used to insulting people on the internet after you randomly start arguing with them it wont carry over for you very well in real life.

[jdjprimer19]

I will start off by explaining how you did misquote me to make it look like I was asking you the question when I was in fact stating your question then answering it. Nice try "broski"

You made my quote appear like this.

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Like I was asking you what it meant but anyone can see in MY ACTUAL post I was ANSWERING.

This is what I actually said.

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Now your losing ground fast but manipulating what I say isn't going to help "broski" .

Quit whining about how you were quoted. It's complete nonsense & irrelevant.

And yes you sound like a broken record, do you not comprehend ANYBODY , can come on here write done some bullcrap and call themselves a trainer? All it would take is 10 minutes to make a account and post and wham your in the " personal training section". If it was up to me you'd have to prove at least one certification before joining or people who provide proof get a seal of validation ect.

Sorry I don't believe everything I read on the internet. Posting in this forum alone doesn't make you a personal trainer anymore then posting in the female bodybuilding section makes you a a female bodybuilder.

You place WAY too much emphasis on certifications. If I practiced everything I learned while studying for my certifications, I would be preaching bro-tology at the highest order. Certifications are not gospel, and certainly have their shortcomings. No one needs validation to post here. If you would like to argue over something productive, we can discuss the science of these shortcomings.

Also when you said



Well heres a cool idea man , its going to sound really hard to do and crazy but..PICK A CERTIFICATION AND CEU THAT DOES KEEP UP WITH CURRENT LITERATURE.

And as much as I like arguing with some dude I will never meet who started a argument with me on the internet I think its time to end it....you have your opinions and I have mine which by the way everyones agreed with so far so " deal with it" "broski"

Also try not to get used to insulting people on the internet after you randomly start arguing with them it wont carry over for you very well in real life.

I am not here for popular opinion. Bottom line is you have created more than one thread trying to whore out your emphasis on different certifications, & I contended that a certification is merely the beginning of one's career and certainly does not determine the quality or knowledge of a trainer. Rather than acknowledging this, you veer off on random tangents. ADHD at its finest.

[Bradster101190]

Brotology? Well that's a nice term you invented unlike any good certification wich uses real terms and actual studies to prove facts . But you probably don't have one so I couldn't expect you to know that.

And sure you can " scientifically" discuss
whatever you want because as you said no one needs validation to post here so keep making up terms and looking good bro. Your too good for certifications anyway or is it that you never actually had a client?

That's my last post to you, the weekends over and I'm back to actually training Monday.

P.S I made a big deal out of you purposely Miss quoting me because IT IS A BIG DEAL. How can you be taken serious in argument if you start off manipulating what they say to TRY TO make a point.

But I'm sure your going to throw a few more insults and personal attacks out of the blue ,maybe eventually you'll get someone to agree with you because that hasn't happend yet.

You could go find a dentists forum to go on and start arguments with them though or maybe try an accounting forum, just pick a random one,apparently you don't have to actually do a profession to tell other people how to do it.

The " bottom line " " broski" is that unless you at least get 1 certification your most likely using " bro tology" and should accept the fact that in America its not how good you say you are its how good you can prove you are. And to add another of your phrases " just deal with it"

[jdjprimer19]

Brotology? Well that's a nice term you invented unlike any good certification wich uses real terms and actual studies to prove facts . But you probably don't have one so I couldn't expect you to know that.

And sure you can " scientifically" discuss
whatever you want because as you said no one needs validation to post here so keep making up terms and looking good bro. Your too good for certifications anyway or is it that you never actually had a client?

That's my last post to you, the weekends over and I'm back to actually training Monday.

P.S I made a big deal out of you purposely Miss quoting me because IT IS A BIG DEAL. How can you be taken serious in argument if you start off manipulating what they say to TRY TO make a point.

But I'm sure your going to throw a few more insults and personal attacks out of the blue ,maybe eventually you'll get someone to agree with you because that hasn't happend yet.

You could go find a dentists forum to go on and start arguments with them though or maybe try an accounting forum, just pick a random one,apparently you don't have to actually do a profession to tell other people how to do it.

The " bottom line " " broski" is that unless you at least get 1 certification your most likely using " bro tology" and should accept the fact that in America its not how good you say you are its how good you can prove you are. And to add another of your phrases " just deal with it"

There is too much fail in this post to dissect at the current time. This is a pointless discussion with no end. You place too much faith in your certifications, while I view them as a basic adjunct to training.

I'm always willing to discuss the short comings of topics such as hollowing vs. bracing, nutrient timing, EPOC, static vs dynamic flexibility, the over-emphasis on core training for performance, etc. All topics that certain certifications tend to view as absolutes. Otherwise, this discussion should be locked.

[Bradster101190]

I agree it should be locked, it took me this long to catch the trolling. Should have caught it the 4th time you made the same point.

" Tests on 600 page books don't teach you anything, you can learn everything about training a pregnant client on the internet! That's safe!"

But wait you changed the argument now so maybe your realizing at least 1 certification is necessary.

Or was it you used words like bro science, fail, and broski seriously? While calling me stupid and incompetent.

Oh well it kept me laughing while I was resting off a Sunday afternoon, have a good week and goodluck in your ..uhh hobby? ( Don't really know what to call it for you since you don't actually train anyone or have any proven knowledge just tell others how to do their career )


But I may be wrong about you, atleast you had the common sense to stop trying to counter my facts with manipulation and talking in circles( although you did just avoid them now). That's a step in the right direction at least.

But your bound to throw some more insults and personal attacks so just pm them to me instead of wasting everyone else's time. No one has agreed with you anyway.

[jdjprimer19]

I agree it should be locked it took me this long to catch the trolling. Should have caught it the 4th time you made the same point.

Repetition for the foolish.

[Bradster101190]

Good talking with you even though , you called me stupid, foolish, incompetent and said I fail.

No matter how much you think you know with your current attitude and respect towards other people I guarantee you will never be successful at personal training.

If I couldn't even remain respectful online I would have quit personal training along time ago.

But obviously your not pursuing that career which will save you a lot of time.

[KyleAaron]

For fck's sakes, can you two just get a room? And use protection, will you?