9/12
TRAINING
Quad Dominant, biceps
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Pre-Workout: 1 scoop Con Cret mixed with 1.5 scoops Beta Cret
Intra-Workout: 1/2 scoop Glutamine Select, 1/2 scoop Xtend
Squats SS w/BB curls
Back Squats
Today was a day of practice. Nothing real heavy, just working on form.
Box Squats with full sit
45x10
65x5 *vid
70x5 *vid
70x5 *vid, this set really sucked
65x4 *vid, was supposed to be 5, but I can't count and think about squat form at the same time apparently
65x5 *vid
Regular Squats
95x5
115x4 - form was breaking down and I decided not to try one more rep
BB Curls
Probably should have done 50, since these weren't that hard
45 X 6
45 X 6
45 X 6
45 X 6
45 X 6
Leg Press SS w/Hamstring curl
Leg Press
70 per side x 8 (starts at 118) - too hard again
55 per side x 10
55 per side x 10
Seated Hamstring curl
35 x 15
35 x 15
35 x 15
Outta time, had to run to get the kiddos
Random Thoughts
Okay, I'm going to post all 5 squat videos. I don't expect anyone to watch them all, but please watch at least one and let me know what you think. Number 4 (70x5) was terrible. I did a whole bunch of box squats and then did some regular ones and realized what the difference is. I feel like I'm stopping my squat prematurely when I do box squats. I guess that's the intention, but that's why it feels funny. When I did the 2 sets of regular squats afterwards, I felt that stretch down in the hole that I didn't get with the box squats. However, the box squats did something because my legs were more jelly-like after this workout than they usually are and I never got past warm up weights, lol.
Set #1. Looks like I'm leaning forward a lot, not sure how to fix that. It seems to happen naturally when I stand up.
Set #2
Set #3 On this one, I put the box at an angle, which felt like it put my feet in a better position. I took my shoes off too and kept them off for the rest of the squat sets. Last 2 reps were terrible. I almost didn't get back up.
Set #4 Moved the camera, so I could see my knees and hips. You see that weird hip-shake thing? It goes away when I wear a belt. Core weakness?
Set #5 Moved the camera so my feet would show. I was playing around with foot placement on this set. I don't like my feet too wide or turned out too much. The first couple reps hurt my hips, so I had to adjust to what was comfortable.
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09-12-2012, 09:47 PM #1682
Hey Squeaks!
Just watched all your vids.. yes totally srs
Here are a couple of things I noticed:
-looks like you need to sit back a bit more/don't keep your feet so close to the box... give yourself a little space to sit back and have your butt find the box
-you did a great job staying tight throughout the movement! You didn't really have any 'rock' during the sit
-as for the hip shake.. looks to me like the hip turns in a bit? If that's the case, I had the same exact problem. It's actually a glute issue. It means that your glutes are weak and you aren't using them to push through the movement and you are relying on your quads. Which are a much smaller muscle than your glutes. The quad (dominant) tries to overcompensate which creates the shift. I corrected this by dropping weight, going slow, concentrating on squeezing my glutes throughout the movement, and most importantly shoving my knees outward. That helped me a ton.
I know that was kinda all over the place but I hope it made sense.
Overall, your squats looked good! Can't wait to see what's next!"The minute you lose confidence in yourself and stop believing... you've lost" by Jan Matthews
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Thank you for watching and commenting. I can't believe how difficult squats can be!
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9/13
TRAINING
BGB - Vertical Push/Pull, Calves, Abs, Shoulder rehab
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Pull Ups SS w/Knee ins
w/u
Lat pulldown 12 x 40
work
Pullups - In a power rack
7 x BW Probably could've eeked out 8, but was afraid it would impact the rest of my sets
5 x BW
5 x BW
5 x BW
5 x BW
knee ins
15 x 10 (held a 10# DB between my feet)
15 x 10
15 x 10
15 x 10
Hammer high rows
8 x 45 per side
10 x 40 per side <--finally decided I needed to take some weight off for better form, but this was a little too easy.
8 x 42.5 per side
Inverted Rows SS w/calf raises
inverted rows
BW x 12
BW x 12
BW x 12
calf raises
20 x 80 (smith + 60)
20 x 80 (smith + 60) +2 reps
18 x 80 (smith + 60)
T/Y/I/Scapular retraction/reverse extension
This was a real halfassed version on the hyperextension bench because I forgot my towel to put on a regular bench. My lower back kept spasming. Ouch!
2.5 x 10 - both arms
Random Thoughts
A fairly quick workout and then off to get the kiddos.
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Friday weigh-in
8/31 Weight: 103.8 Waist: 25.75 start of bulk
9/7 Weight: 103.6 Waist: 25.25 AVG Cals: 1500
9/14 Weight: 105.00 Waist: 25.5 Avg Cals: 1671
Somehow I don't think this weight is accurate. Not likely that I gained 1.5 lbs. When I'm eating a lot of carbs, my weight jumps all over the place. Will be look more for trends over time than actual weight. This is probably that extra water weight I always gain that makes me freak out and think I'm gaining too fast. I'm gonna roll with it and try to get my average calories closer to 1800 next week.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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09-14-2012, 08:59 PM #1690
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9/14
TRAINING
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RDL
w/u
95x10
115x6
work
135x5
155x5 *vid <---was so easy, I thought I put the wrong plates on, lol.
155x5
155x5
150x5
DB Walking Lunges SS w/Tricep Pushdowns
DB Walking lunges
25s x 14
25s x 14
25s x 14
Tricep Pushdowns with rope
30x9
30x8
30x8
Good Mornings
80x8*vid <--- this was way easy! I had to re-check my plates here too
80x8
80x8
Smith Leg Press
130x8 (smith + 55 per side)
130x8 (smith + 55 per side)
130x10 (smith + 55 per side)
Random Thoughts
Sweet workout tonight! All the weights felt super easy today. I really wanted to go heavier on RDLs, but decided to try to finish 4 sets at 155, since I never have. I guess the extra cals and creatine have finally kicked in.
I forgot my socks today, yuck! Oh well, life goes on, albeit with sweaty feet. I had to go grocery shopping afterwards. Did not like going sockless for that long. I guess I need to keep extra socks, towels and ponytail holders in my car.
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09-17-2012, 08:35 AM #1691
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Went to a friend's to watch football yesterday, since she pays to be able to watch all the games and ours wasn't televised on our cable, lol. Anyhow, I ate way too much junk food and drank too much beer and my tummy isn't happy today. UGH! I was trying to track calories, but it's hard when there's all kinds of little bite-sized things. So, I have no idea how many cals I ate yesterday, just that they mostly consisted of cream cheese and bacon, lol.
I was planning on switching up my workouts this week, but I'm still undecided. I want to focus on legs more and I'm thinking of doing squats the day before DL instead. The only problem with that is that means Monday = squat day. Why make a Monday worse than it already is? DLs are currently the only happy part of my Mondays, lol.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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9/17
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Flat DB Bench
none-resting the shoulder
Deadlift
Went lighter and worked on form
w/u
95x8
135x5
work
160x5
160x5
160x5
160x5
160x5
Incline DB Bench
None-resting shoulder
Bent over BB Row
85x8 *took a vid and didn't like my form, so I dropped the weight
75x10 *took another vid and almost cried when I saw my form. My shoulder is effed up and it's effing everything else up now.
75x10
Pec Dec
Skipped, shoulder issues
Weighted planks SS w/calf raises
Seated Calf raises
100x15 (starts at 60#, added 40#)
100x15 (starts at 60#, added 40#)
100x15 (starts at 60#, added 40#)+20#
So, I looked at my log and saw that I added 20# last week and thought it meant 20# per side. No, I have notes that say 10# per side andI did 25# and 20# per side today. Duh, once again, stupidity will make me stronger. lol @ accidental PRs this week.
Weighted planks
10# x 1:15
10# x 1:15
10# x 1:15
Prone T/Y/I/Scapular Retraction/extension
Not today
Random Thoughts
Okay, so I did a set of BB rows and noticed that I was uneven. It's that same un-evenness that I saw in my DL's last week. My injured (left) shoulder is up higher than my right shoulder. I've thought about it and I think I am unconsciously favoring my hurt side and letting my right side pick up the slack. Since all the weight is on my right side, that side hangs down more.
I'm at my wit's end with this and don't know what to do. If I completely eliminate anything that uses my left arm, I don't think I'm left with a single damn thing I can do at the gym. I don't see the Dr. until late next week and she won't put in the MRI until I after I see her, so who knows how long this might take before I know what's going on. Do I quit going to the gym altogether? I just don't know and I'm so frustrated right now.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Honestly Squeaks.... I don't know exactly what I did to my shoulder but it felt pretty bad for a few weeks. And the thing that helped me get better was resting it 100%. In hindsight I really wish that I had kept going to the gym at least twice a week to do legs... I might recommend the same thing to you. Just chill for 2 weeks and do legs twice/week and maybe cardio/abs 2x a week too? And see how that goes?
Even though you're not doing pressing movements stuff like heavy rows and DLs are def. going to tax your shoulder. I'd avoid those and try to give that joint complete rest.
Just my opinion though.
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So, like leg machines? Squats are even giving me trouble now. It irritates my shoulder to hold the bar. I guess I can do various leg press machines, leg ext, ham curls. I think even holding db's or bb to do lunges would bug my shoulder at this point. Now I wish I would've done this over the summer when I was only eating 1100 cals, lol.
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Hai Squeaks, sorry to hear this shoulder is acting up so much now. When I hurt my other shoulder a couple yrs ago it was BAD, hurt to get dressed, hurt to drive a car, hurt to shower, definitely could not lift anything with it (yes even stuff like DL was horribly painful.) The only way I could get through a day at work was to keep putting icyhot patches on it and then ice the hell out of it when I got home. (The current shoulder thing never got half that bad and did not hurt during daily activities.) My honest advice - stop doing all upper body for sure until you get in to see your doc. Your insurance already gave the OK for the MRI right, you just need the doc's order on it? I've always been able to schedule one of those things within a week or two, which I know still seems like eternity in terms of backing off on the lifting, but seriously you need to know if you did tear something. Once you know what's wrong then you can come up with a solid plan for how to fix it. If it turns out to NOT be a tear then perhaps you are someone who would benefit from the cortisone shots. I've never had one personally, as far as I know you can't do those over and over because it'll jack things up worse if you kept doing it, but hey maybe get one, rest it for a couple more weeks as the inflamation settles down, and hopefully your issue won't return.
For the time being you don't have to deload, but I would not do anything that really involves your arms/shoulders. What I did was legs and cardio, use a lot of machines so you don't have to hold onto barbells (or use straps for squats if it doesn't hurt.) I stopped pretty much everything for a solid month - all chest, back, arms. I'm not sure if it's because I just eat crazy amounts of food but when I went back to db bench and stuff my strength didn't really drop at all. Oddly I didn't look like I stopped lifting when I did that, but I am not very lean, ham.jpg, but it really wasn't as big of deal as I thought it'd be. It was pretty depressing to not be able to go into the gym and lift whatever muscle groups I wanted, but meh, my shoulder healed in time and I'm fine now.
That vid looks like someone with an injured shoulder, your back/traps are trying to compensate for it. Since you've been doing a lot of normal exercises like pullups, DL, etc I doubt there's anything fuked up in there to an extreme extent. I'm not a doctor obviously but it seems that if you hurt something horribly you have a serious ROM loss, serious strength loss, and lifting anything with your upper body wouldn't be an option. I really hope your injury is nothing that requires drastic measures to fix. The human body is always a lot tougher than I give it credit for though, I usually get injuries that require lots of rest (and yep I'm horrible at that too ), but seriously you may need like a month off of using the shoulder with a cortisone shot. In the grand scheme of things that's a pretty easy fix. And feel free to take every opportunity (like I did!) to complain you can't lift for that month and are jelous of everyone else getting to DL. I got pretty good at playing golf on PS2 during that time though lol.Current PRs:
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Thanks Prof. Ham! I think that's just what I needed to hear. I know it's the right advice, it's just hard to wrap my mind around it. Starting tomorrow (today is a rest day due to Girl Scout meeting), I will only work my legs in a way that doesn't use my arms. I need quit kidding myself that this is just going to magically get better and take the steps to fix it.
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09-18-2012, 02:58 PM #1702
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Have you tried the squat method with the straps on the bar? Although I would probably avoid trying that atm anyways, just curious since I think I'm the only one over here who squats like that.
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9/19
TRAINING
Lower Body - Quad Dominant
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Leg Press
10 x 118 (sled only)
10 x 168 (25 per side)
10 x 188 (35 per side)
10 x 208 (45 per side)
10 x 228 (55 per side)
10 x 228
10 x 228
10 x 228
That's the most sets/reps of leg presses I've ever done in one day!
Iso Lateral Kneeling Hamstring curl
15 x 18 (starts at 8, added 10)
12 x 20.5 (added 12.5)
12 x 20.5
Leg Extension
10 x 20 - single leg
10 x 20 - single leg
10 x 20 - single leg
10 x 50 - both legs
Random Thoughts
Okay, so today was day one of trying really really hard not to use my upper body in my workout. The only tough part was putting plates on the leg press, but that's doable. This workout doesn't look like much, but my legs are jelly! I wonder if I'll get DOMS from all those leg presses. Guess we'll see tomorrow.
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So after trying so hard not to aggravate my shoulder at the gym, I come home and jack it up bringing my trash cans back up to the house. UGH! I'll be icing it tonight while I watch tv.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Nice leg pressing! I was just going to ask if there's anything you do day to day that would be an issue for your shoulder, read you bothered it with the trash cans ahhh, car doors and jackets were the worst for me. As long as you try to treat it gingerly for a few weeks you should notice a big difference.
Lol, I have only seen one other person do it (on this site) ever.Current PRs:
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ProMera Sports SUMMER LOG PROMO: Con-Cret - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146257573 (complete)
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09-20-2012, 01:36 PM #1709
- Join Date: Sep 2008
- Location: California, United States
- Age: 47
- Posts: 2,602
- Rep Power: 627
Not quite sure what to do at the gym today, since I've nixed upper body work for the time being. Today should be pullup day aka my favorite day of the week .
I normally do abs and calves with upper body, so I'll still do those, but that takes like 10 minutes. I was thinking I could do some weighted hyperextensions. I don't think hugging a plate will bother my shoulder at all. I guess I could do some BW leg exercises maybe. I don't want to do too much on legs though, since I hit them heavy yesterday and will again tomorrow. I hate going to the gym and not having a plan. I'm not really a "go with the flow" type of person, lol.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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My bodybuilding journal:
Squeaks' Journey to a hotter bod and other life stuff - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=135424291
ProMera Sports SUMMER LOG PROMO: Con-Cret - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146257573 (complete)
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09-20-2012, 01:39 PM #1710
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