After creating another thread bout heart issues and weight training I looked into the pro body andreas munzer who died in 1996 age 31.
interesting read if you can be assed -
In 1996, Andreas Munzer died at a hospital in Munich after being rushed there by his girlfriend. Apparently the two had just gotten off an airplane. Information from many different sources regarding the events surrounding Munzer's death, and as one might expect, there are some significant variations.
Munzer's girlfriend allegedly delivered a gym bag full of drugs to the hospital staff when she took him in, and after examining the bag's contents, the attending physician reportedly said, "It's the ORIMETEN that killed him." (ORIMETEN is a European version of CYTADREN, a cortisol blocker.)
No autopsy was performed.
They just opened up Munzer's gut, and saw massive internal bleeding and liver damage, and closed it again. Our sources said the coroner reported the cause of death as kidney, liver, and heart failure.
The European papers are blaming steroids, of course. And they're calling Munzer a "gross parody of his hero" (Schwarzenegger, that is). The tabloids can't seem to get past the steroid issue. But that does sell the papers. Albert Busek was called (a major bodybuilding promoter in Germany and Munzer's ex-employer) several times but he would not answer. He was finally sent a fax requesting any information, which might help, understand what happened to Munzer. No reply was ever received.
Interesting. Since Busek is so involved with bodybuilding, you would think he would want to talk with us and make sure we had the most accurate information. You don't think there might be a cover up in progress, do you?
Actually, a cover-up may make sense given Busek's situation.
In his place, what would you do?
He has a very strong affiliation with the IFBB, and the IFBB already has a black eye from Benaziza's death. The IFBB has been trying to make bodybuilding an Olympic sport for years, (HO! HO! HO!) And another European bodybuilder's death due to drug abuse wouldn't look good. Bodybuilders cannot be falling off the platform dead as they're about to accept their medals, can we?
Some of the people that were asked about Munzer-Troy Zuccolotto, Shawn Ray, and Lee Labrada actually knew Munzer as a fellow competitor. Ron Harris, from American Sports Network, and Joe Roark, an IFBB historian, knew him through their professional contacts and were able to give some details about Munzer's bodybuilding career. Others knew about his death and were interested professionals concerned about the health of all athletes Dan Duchaine; Bruce Nadler, M.D.; and Mauro DiPasquale, M.D. Another source of information came from people who sent faxes and e-mails with information they had regarding Munzer-Carl Smith a competitive Powerlifter from Graz, Austria (Andreas' and Arnold's birthplace), and Patrick Henseler, and another one from Switzerland.
But perhaps the most important source of information was a world-renowned strength coach. This person has asked that his identity be keep secret: he has much at stake and can't betray any of his confidential sources. The information he gave is critical in piecing together the story. He knew what really happened and continued conversing over several days.
Some excerpts of the conversations:
What do you know about the circumstances surrounding Andreas Munzer's death?
MR ANONYMOUS I heard he died at a hospital in Munich. He had competed the two weekends before, first in the Arnold and then in the San Jose. His girlfriend took him to the hospital once they realized something was wrong, but it was too late he died shortly after they arrived.
Do you know what the cause of death was?
MR ANONYMOUS- I heard it was Orimeten I have a source who spoke to the hospital staff and found out his girlfriend brought in a gym bag full of drugs and said he was on everything in it. Orimeten was one of the drugs in the bag supposedly; the attending doctor said he believed it was Orimeten that killed Munzer.
Orimeten is a European version of Cytadren, right?
MR ANONYMOUS- Yeah, it's just another name it's used as a cortisol blocker, and it inhibits the aromatization of androgens to estrogens.
What about steroids? Was there any mention of anabolic steroids from your sources?
MR ANONYMOUS- Yeah, I have a contact in Germany who is investigating Munzer's death and he said one report listed the cause of death as stomach' bleeding due to the abuse of anabolic steroids.
Was there an autopsy or any blood work done?
How would they know what killed him without some sort of medical proof?
MR ANONYMOUS- According to my sources they just opened him up did some poking around saw all the blood and closed his gut. No autopsy.
There are so many possible drug interactions?
MR ANONYMOUS- Yeah, that's true but Orimeten is what it was I've also heard they're trying to cover this up.
Who are "they"?
MR ANONYMOUS- The German speaking media also Busek, he doesn't want this to get out it looks really bad after Benaziza's death and all.
Busek was sent faxes and was called several times but never answered on the phone, and never responded to the faxes.
MR ANONYMOUS- He probably doesn't want to talk to anyone I know he's trying to cover this up. I have a contact that's on the German police force that's trying to get more information on the cause of death, but according to him, there was no autopsy.
It's impossible to definitively say that Cytadren caused Andreas Munzer's death. All we know there are a number of possible chemical interactions that can occur in a pro bodybuilder around competition time.
In Europe, autopsies may be optional.
According to some sources, unless there is a reason to suspect foul play, an autopsy would not necessarily be ordered. And according to several sources we have, no autopsy was performed on Munzer. Some reports (including the German press) list the cause of death as severe liver toxicity and subsequent failure, yet others say he was bleeding profusely from his liver, his blood ceased coagulating, and he bled to death. Even others report he was suffering from bleeding liver tumours, heart and/or kidney failure, or bleeding stomach walls. Perhaps one of the most bizarre reports came from one of our readers in Switzerland, Patrick Henseler, who wrote in an e-mail message:
"In the German-speaking media, they reported that Munzer died of heart, liver, and kidney failure...after he had been hospitalized with stomach bleeding the morning of the same day. The problem is that the media hypes it up. No, it's not the usual: 'Steroids will kill you we told you so.' It's actually much worse.
Munzer passed all drug tests was drug free. It was not the steroids that killed him but all the tablets and capsules he took to improve his physique.
Yes, they really suggest he was DRUG FREE! Scam!"