Creatine Ethyle-Ester Questions???

[Jonnyg419]

Ok, this question is for all the bodybuilding scientists out there.. I was taking monohydrate 5g a day for the last three months, and I was not seeing any noticable difference. I only recently even learned about how some people don't respond to CM. I just recently switched to CEE because I have read that there is no need to load to get effective results (I didnt load CM either, I just took 5g consistantly) and I also heard that CEE works better for those who don't respond to CM.

Okay now here are the questions, I am taking Max C5 CEE, I have read that CEE needs to be taken on an empty stomach to absorb properly, so I take it as soon as I wake up 20 mins before breakfast. But I have heard many people say they get better results from taking it both pre and post workout. I take 3 capsules which provide 3500mg once a day, even off days..does that sound correct to you guys? Or should I split it up and take it pre and post workout, and if I do what do I do about pre and post workout shakes? Will it effect absorbtion? And finally...If I did switch to pre and post workout CEE, should I take the full 3500mg at both times.

Any feedback would be greatly appretiated!!

[laneanders]

There are much better options out there than CEE.

[Jonnyg419]

I know they all have their own pros and cons, but for the money and the absortion, I've heard a lot that CEE is the best bet.

[AlphaTauMuscle]

I know they all have their own pros and cons, but for the money and the absortion, I've heard a lot that CEE is the best bet.

You have to learn to discern bunk information from good information. Whoever told you that is mistaken, CEE is not cheap nor is it very bioavailable.

[laneanders]

I know they all have their own pros and cons, but for the money and the absortion, I've heard a lot that CEE is the best bet.

Long story short about CEE is that it does not increase creatine levels in muscle nearly as effectively as mono.

There are other forms of Creatine though.

[Jonnyg419]

I took mono for a while and did not see any significant strength gains, I did notice a slight weight gain, as soon as I came off of it I dropped about 4lbs in a week. I just started to try CEE, and I feel the best way to evaluate any suppliment is to try it and gain my own opinion through experience. Not to say you don't raise some interesting points that I am going to further look into. But I'm gonna at least give it a chance, but back to the main point though...do you or anybody out there know the correct dosing instructions for the best CEE results? So at least if I take it I know I'm taking it properly.

[BenW22]

I took mono for a while and did not see any significant strength gains, I did notice a slight weight gain, as soon as I came off of it I dropped about 4lbs in a week. I just started to try CEE, and I feel the best way to evaluate any suppliment is to try it and gain my own opinion through experience. Not to say you don't raise some interesting points that I am going to further look into. But I'm gonna at least give it a chance, but back to the main point though...do you or anybody out there know the correct dosing instructions for the best CEE results? So at least if I take it I know I'm taking it properly.

If you insist on taking CEE you should read the label for dosing instructions.

[Joe D]

Why are people still taling cee? why are companies still producing it?

[tdog47304]

I took mono for a while and did not see any significant strength gains, I did notice a slight weight gain, as soon as I came off of it I dropped about 4lbs in a week. I just started to try CEE, and I feel the best way to evaluate any suppliment is to try it and gain my own opinion through experience. Not to say you don't raise some interesting points that I am going to further look into. But I'm gonna at least give it a chance, but back to the main point though...do you or anybody out there know the correct dosing instructions for the best CEE results? So at least if I take it I know I'm taking it properly.

I too have switched from Momo Creatine to CEE and have noticed some differences in my body. I also have lost the water weight associated with Mono, which was 4-5 lbs. But I have noticed that my strength has somewhat digressed, meaning I seem to struggle lifting weights with CEE when I didn't struggle when on Momo. Not sure what to make of this. I am just going to run one cycle (3 months) of CEE and see what the end result will look like.

[Proposturalized]

CEE is garbage. You probably expected too much too soon from mono. If you lost weight after you stopped taking it then it was clearly doing something.

Try MCC, Orotine, creatine nitrate, (the list goes on)... They're all superior to CEE.

[COUNTRYMIKE]

I'm a huge supporter of CEE and always will be, I have used CM and CEE both for a long time and I much prefer CEE. I have had the best gains and best overall feeling with it, I take 4 caps 30min pre-workout and 4 caps post-workout and on off days I will take 4 in the a.m. and 4 in the evening. Again this is what I prefer having used both and I will never use anything else.

[Illadelphia]

Why are people still taling cee? why are companies still producing it?

Because people buy it.

Sadly.

[Jonnyg419]

I'm a huge supporter of CEE and always will be, I have used CM and CEE both for a long time and I much prefer CEE. I have had the best gains and best overall feeling with it, I take 4 caps 30min pre-workout and 4 caps post-workout and on off days I will take 4 in the a.m. and 4 in the evening. Again this is what I prefer having used both and I will never use anything else.

Right now I am taking 3 caps in the A.M before breakfast, I've read that taking CEE with anything in your stomach can mess up its bioavailability. So since I eat carbs and drink protein before and after my workout I have been hesitant to take CEE surrounding my workout, am I being too catious about my dosing??

[COUNTRYMIKE]

Right now I am taking 3 caps in the A.M before breakfast, I've read that taking CEE with anything in your stomach can mess up its bioavailability. So since I eat carbs and drink protein before and after my workout I have been hesitant to take CEE surrounding my workout, am I being too catious about my dosing??

I will take mine with only a protein shake pre and post, that's as "empty stomach" as I'll go

[Jonnyg419]

Thank you all for your input. I see that many of you are not big fans of CEE. Since people who back the product claim that it requires no loading phase, I shjould have a decent idea about what I personally think about it. I plan on trying the product for a full 6 weeks so that I can at least give it a fair sht, it would not be right of me to stop using it now, because it would then be wrong of me to spread any kind of opinion on it because I wouldn't have any data through my own trial and error to base my opinion on. As far as supps go, I am willing to try anything once in an attempt to further my understanding of what seems to work and not work for me. I will definately continue to research the difference between creatines, and I really do appretiate all of you guys giving your opinions, it does give me a better idea of what the concensus in the community is.

[Jonnyg419]

I will take mine with only a protein shake pre and post, that's as "empty stomach" as I'll go

Thanks man!

[COUNTRYMIKE]

Thanks man!

My pleasure

[Illadelphia]

Thank you all for your input. I see that many of you are not big fans of CEE. Since people who back the product claim that it requires no loading phase, I shjould have a decent idea about what I personally think about it. I plan on trying the product for a full 6 weeks so that I can at least give it a fair sht, it would not be right of me to stop using it now, because it would then be wrong of me to spread any kind of opinion on it because I wouldn't have any data through my own trial and error to base my opinion on. As far as supps go, I am willing to try anything once in an attempt to further my understanding of what seems to work and not work for me. I will definately continue to research the difference between creatines, and I really do appretiate all of you guys giving your opinions, it does give me a better idea of what the concensus in the community is.

It is scientificly proven to degrade into creatinine almost immediately making it completely useless..

There are numerous studies proving this.

[powercage]

It is scientificly proven to degrade into creatinine almost immediately making it completely useless..

There are numerous studies proving this.

This.

Ive seen the argument that if it is a "fresh" batch of CEE it is viable (altho noone was able to offer forth the studies). However this just isnt that plausible as people arent running around with chemistry kits making it in their own homes

[Mr.Cooper69]

in my opinion i think the best creatine product is the one i'm using which is SNS’s MCC. it's truly the best creatine product i've used thus far and man does it work. i usually take it pre and post unless i'm using SNS’s preworkout product Focus XT. which is another great product as well. if you havent tried any of SNS's products then you need to get on their site and start ordering man. get yourself as many of their products as possible asap.

[powercage]

Add this to give a sense of urgency:

[WillBrink]

I know they all have their own pros and cons, but for the money and the absortion, I've heard a lot that CEE is the best bet.

It's not:

http://www.brinkzone.com/supplement-...the-graveyard/

[Jonnyg419]

It is scientificly proven to degrade into creatinine almost immediately making it completely useless..

There are numerous studies proving this.

I'm pretty sure thats why it has to be taken on an empty stomach, I've looked online at studies that were done on CEE and it said that high acidity levels in the stomach will cause it to break down into creatinine. BVut on an empty stomach it has a higher bioavailability then CM.

[AlphaTauMuscle]

I'm pretty sure thats why it has to be taken on an empty stomach, I've looked online at studies that were done on CEE and it said that high acidity levels in the stomach will cause it to break down into creatinine. BVut on an empty stomach it has a higher bioavailability then CM.

I've never seen a legitimate study showing ethyl ester to have a higher bioavailability rating then monohydrate. Never the less both of them are at the bottom of the bioavailability rankings compared to modren day creatine products. So taking that into account the use of CM is warranted because its very cheap and its good for beginners to get their feet wet, you really cant say the same for CEE

[Illadelphia]

I'm pretty sure thats why it has to be taken on an empty stomach, I've looked online at studies that were done on CEE and it said that high acidity levels in the stomach will cause it to break down into creatinine. BVut on an empty stomach it has a higher bioavailability then CM.

I'm done trying to help people who know everything.

[Jonnyg419]

Dude I never said I know everything..and in the past 24 hours I have been lookin all over the internet to see what differnet ppl and studys have said, there has been a lot of negative info out there, but there has also been some positive. It's not like I have any loyalty to the suppliment, or I'm a rep for CEE. I'm just asking questions and throwing out the info that I am finding to see what others have to say.

[TMac26]

I'll stick with MCC. I know it works.

[Jonnyg419]

I've never seen a legitimate study showing ethyl ester to have a higher bioavailability rating then monohydrate. Never the less both of them are at the bottom of the bioavailability rankings compared to modren day creatine products. So taking that into account the use of CM is warranted because its very cheap and its good for beginners to get their feet wet, you really cant say the same for CEE

I agree with you, and if you look back at my previous posts youll see that I don't know nearly enough to recomend the product to anybody. All that I am saying is that someone I am currently trying it..i started this post to make sure I am taking the most effective dosage possible, so that if it doesnt work I'll know it is the product itself and not my own dosage errors...and in 6 weeks I may agree with all of you and be on another post talking about how I tried it and its garbage. But until I've given it a full run, I don't want to jump to conlusions. As with anything else in bodybuilding, there are gurus who will give you a million plausible reasons why something works(with all kinds of science to back it up)..and then there will be a whole other group of people with just as much experience, who will give you just as many plausible reasons why that same thing does not work at all. So I am just trying to give the product a fair chance.

[AlphaTauMuscle]

I agree with you, and if you look back at my previous posts youll see that I don't know nearly enough to recomend the product to anybody. All that I am saying is that someone I am currently trying it..i started this post to make sure I am taking the most effective dosage possible, so that if it doesnt work I'll know it is the product itself and not my own dosage errors...and in 6 weeks I may agree with all of you and be on another post talking about how I tried it and its garbage. But until I've given it a full run, I don't want to jump to conlusions. As with anything else in bodybuilding, there are gurus who will give you a million plausible reasons why something works(with all kinds of science to back it up)..and then there will be a whole other group of people with just as much experience, who will give you just as many plausible reasons why that same thing does not work at all. So I am just trying to give the product a fair chance.

This is true and I'm not trying to argue with you, BUT for all of those people who tell you something is good or bad they need to show you bias free, research and/or data. These companies will pay millions to skew numbers and/or trying to put placebo in peoples pockets while taking cash out of it

[Hansolo261]

how did you take your mono? did you take it with a quick carb source? I use to have a problem with CM so I decided to take it how instructed instead of listen to forum brologic. I fukin loaded it 5 grams with a 40 grams of quick absorbing carbs 4 times daily for about 5 days. It worked like a charm, sure i crapped and bloated a tab for the first day or so but aftr that nothing but smooth sailing. Keep in mind you dont have to load it just speeds things up faster.

CEE is about one of the only forms that I didnt see much results from