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    Originally Posted by shimmeringpearl View Post
    I passed

    I can not thank everyone enough for the support and tips. This is a tough test because of how questions are worded and the NASM U app really helped me with that. There is nothing I can add that is not here except to look in the handbook and look at the breakdown of the test sections(page 9-10). Also see how the sections of the book relate to other sections of the book (comprehension). Understanding the terms helps a lot when you have 2 seemingly possible questions. Also making sure you understand the question. There are some tricky questions and I made comments on them because I hope the test creators will see why they were confusing. I only had one isolated function question but the questions are random from a pool so you could get more than I did. There were a few questions from the NASM U app on the test or very similar questions. If you are using NASM U as a study help and get something wrong you may want to go back to the book to understand it a little more. For example: Which resistance training system is most efficient? a) horrizontal loading b) circuit training c) vertical loading d) Pyramid. I kept picking circuit training because what is more efficient than getting both cardio and resistance done?! It is wrong because circuit is not resistance it is cardio training but the app didn't explain that. That question is also a good example of making sure you understand the question being asked. A lot of those I would get wrong on the testing part of the app because I was only looking for one thing (efficiency) instead of the whole question (efficient resistance).
    Congrats on passing, btw is the answer horizontal, because you tire out one muscle before moving onto the next? that would be my guess

    EDIT: upon reading the section again I believe it is Vertical training as it deals with multiple plane of motion and different exercises while still having resistance on the muscles.
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    Wow, just finished studying all the 400 questions on the NASM UM App.

    I didn't just go through them, I looked up every answer to make sure I understood the NASM way of doing things. Additionally, I made an index correlating the question number to the book so in the future i can look up an answer very quickly as I wrote the question numbers in the book.

    I might even move up my test a day.
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    Originally Posted by Greek_kid View Post
    Congrats on passing, btw is the answer horizontal, because you tire out one muscle before moving onto the next? that would be my guess

    EDIT: upon reading the section again I believe it is Vertical training as it deals with multiple plane of motion and different exercises while still having resistance on the muscles.
    Yes, vertical. That was not one of my test questions, I got that one from the NASM U app. Vertical is also how NASM likes to set up plans. Total body first, head to toe next.

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    I have the 4th edition textbook, according to the 7.6 table (page 183) when knees moves inward the possible overactive muscles, among others, are: vastus lateralis and TFL. Is this correct?, it doesn't make sense to me because in that position those muscle actually are lengthened. What do you think about it?
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    Originally Posted by RALC View Post
    I have the 4th edition textbook, according to the 7.6 table (page 183) when knees moves inward the possible overactive muscles, among others, are: vastus lateralis and TFL. Is this correct?, it doesn't make sense to me because in that position those muscle actually are lengthened. What do you think about it?
    When I do it I can feel it tighten. The basic functional movement of tensor fascia latae is walking. The tensor fascia lata is heavily utilized in horse riding, hurdling and water skiing. Some problems that arise when this muscle is tight or shortened are pelvic imbalances that lead to pain in hips, as well as pain in the lower back and lateral area of knees.

    "Because of its insertion point on the lateral condyle of the tibia, it also aids in the lateral rotation of the tibia. This lateral rotation may be initiated in conjunction with hip abduction and medial rotation of the femur while kicking a soccer ball. The tensor fasciae latae works in synergy with the gluteus medius and gluteus minimus muscles to abduct and medially rotate the femur."
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    ok I see, and about the vastus lateralis how is this muscle overactive?
    Originally Posted by shimmeringpearl View Post
    When I do it I can feel it tighten. The basic functional movement of tensor fascia latae is walking. The tensor fascia lata is heavily utilized in horse riding, hurdling and water skiing. Some problems that arise when this muscle is tight or shortened are pelvic imbalances that lead to pain in hips, as well as pain in the lower back and lateral area of knees.

    "Because of its insertion point on the lateral condyle of the tibia, it also aids in the lateral rotation of the tibia. This lateral rotation may be initiated in conjunction with hip abduction and medial rotation of the femur while kicking a soccer ball. The tensor fasciae latae works in synergy with the gluteus medius and gluteus minimus muscles to abduct and medially rotate the femur."
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    ok I see, and about the vastus lateralis how is this muscle overactive?
    Originally Posted by shimmeringpearl View Post
    When I do it I can feel it tighten. The basic functional movement of tensor fascia latae is walking. The tensor fascia lata is heavily utilized in horse riding, hurdling and water skiing. Some problems that arise when this muscle is tight or shortened are pelvic imbalances that lead to pain in hips, as well as pain in the lower back and lateral area of knees.

    "Because of its insertion point on the lateral condyle of the tibia, it also aids in the lateral rotation of the tibia. This lateral rotation may be initiated in conjunction with hip abduction and medial rotation of the femur while kicking a soccer ball. The tensor fasciae latae works in synergy with the gluteus medius and gluteus minimus muscles to abduct and medially rotate the femur."
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    Originally Posted by RALC View Post
    I have the 4th edition textbook, according to the 7.6 table (page 183) when knees moves inward the possible overactive muscles, among others, are: vastus lateralis and TFL. Is this correct?, it doesn't make sense to me because in that position those muscle actually are lengthened. What do you think about it?
    I agree. Doesn't make sense. The book repeats this in other charts.
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    Just purchased the Muscle and Motion program at muscle and motion dot com. It is awesome!! only drawback is its not a one time purchase so you have to cancel it to keep from the monthly pay.
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    Originally Posted by RALC View Post
    ok I see, and about the vastus lateralis how is this muscle overactive?
    This is purely a guess: even when a muscle is lengthening to decelerate a motion there is still contraction. It is not like the muscle is completely relaxed and lengthed all of a sudden. When you look at the length tension relationship and if the vastus lateralis is tight then it will not be lengthened like it is supposed to be. Does that make sense? So, yes, it is lengthened but not lengthened enough. Then you apply altered reciprocal inhibition (muscle inhibition caused by a tight agonist, which decreases neural drive of its functional antagonist). When we look at the muscles as a synergy instead of just the isolated functions then we can see how the other concepts apply. Also to consider is that the position of the other tight muscles can put a muscle in a position it is not supposed to be in so it will do things it does not normally do ie. synergistic dominance. Honestly, I confused myself so I need to think about it a little more, lol.

    Ok, I got it. When we look at the synergy the job is supposed to be an antagonist but when placed in an improper position then it becomes a synergist or stabilizer instead of being the antagonist which causes it to be overactive/tighter/shorter than it normally would be.
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    it sounds reasonable because when I asked a friend who uses to move her knees inward she told me she does not feel any muscle tightening, it is a comfortable position for her, so the muscle is working as a sinergist as you said, in the other hand, the muscle may be just not working at all and the book is wrong, but with all that information, I think mechanically is just no possible to the vastus lateralis to move the knees inward.
    I found on internet a NASM´s Corrective Exercice Specialist book and they talk about pronated distortion syndrome but they dont talk about the vastus lateralis as a posible overactive muscle, it really confuses me, so I wrote to NASM and I will let you know what they say.
    Originally Posted by shimmeringpearl View Post
    This is purely a guess: even when a muscle is lengthening to decelerate a motion there is still contraction. It is not like the muscle is completely relaxed and lengthed all of a sudden. When you look at the length tension relationship and if the vastus lateralis is tight then it will not be lengthened like it is supposed to be. Does that make sense? So, yes, it is lengthened but not lengthened enough. Then you apply altered reciprocal inhibition (muscle inhibition caused by a tight agonist, which decreases neural drive of its functional antagonist). When we look at the muscles as a synergy instead of just the isolated functions then we can see how the other concepts apply. Also to consider is that the position of the other tight muscles can put a muscle in a position it is not supposed to be in so it will do things it does not normally do ie. synergistic dominance. Honestly, I confused myself so I need to think about it a little more, lol.

    Ok, I got it. When we look at the synergy the job is supposed to be an antagonist but when placed in an improper position then it becomes a synergist or stabilizer instead of being the antagonist which causes it to be overactive/tighter/shorter than it normally would be.
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    I passed the NASM test today, I fully recommend the E-Teach Course that NASM offers on their website. For anybody that doesn't know the e-teach course has a guarantee, if you score a maximum on all of your chapter tests, and submit your work on time, score a high enough score on your mid term and final test....and you fail the NASM, then you get your money back! (That is a basic summary of the course guarantee!)

    What I found for myself while sitting down for the actual test is just like other people are posting on here, the test wording can be very difficult, especially after taking the practice tests and thinking that you got it down. You are expecting questions to be pretty similar to the practice tests that NASM provides, but in fact they can be very different, almost tricky!

    What worked for me? I am happy to say that I passed the test the first time that I took it, and even though it is a hard test because of all of the information; I say the best thing you can do is understand the very concept of what they are teaching you! Get to the point where you can teach it to somebody else accurately, then it doesn't matter the way that they word anything, there is only one correct answer and you will know how to get to it! You will need to memorize some things, I say find what your learning style is and learn it that way! This is why the E-teach course is so great, if you are a visual learner, there is a video instructing you every week, there are tests every week, and discussions every week. This really hammers the information in! Now all you have to do is relate to the information, and find a common ground where you are so comfortable with the concept that you can teach it to somebody!

    Well if anybody has any questions please feel free to message me at anytime, I will get back to you with an answer!
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    Originally Posted by jjgibbs29 View Post
    I passed the NASM test today, I fully recommend the E-Teach Course that NASM offers on their website. For anybody that doesn't know the e-teach course has a guarantee, if you score a maximum on all of your chapter tests, and submit your work on time, score a high enough score on your mid term and final test....and you fail the NASM, then you get your money back! (That is a basic summary of the course guarantee!)

    What I found for myself while sitting down for the actual test is just like other people are posting on here, the test wording can be very difficult, especially after taking the practice tests and thinking that you got it down. You are expecting questions to be pretty similar to the practice tests that NASM provides, but in fact they can be very different, almost tricky!

    What worked for me? I am happy to say that I passed the test the first time that I took it, and even though it is a hard test because of all of the information; I say the best thing you can do is understand the very concept of what they are teaching you! Get to the point where you can teach it to somebody else accurately, then it doesn't matter the way that they word anything, there is only one correct answer and you will know how to get to it! You will need to memorize some things, I say find what your learning style is and learn it that way! This is why the E-teach course is so great, if you are a visual learner, there is a video instructing you every week, there are tests every week, and discussions every week. This really hammers the information in! Now all you have to do is relate to the information, and find a common ground where you are so comfortable with the concept that you can teach it to somebody!

    Well if anybody has any questions please feel free to message me at anytime, I will get back to you with an answer!
    Congrats! I agree with the teaching part. The more I explained concepts to my husband the more I remembered.
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    Question about the CPR/AED cert. Just want to confirm I'm doing the right class. Plan on doing it through the America Red Cross. They have CPR/AED certs for lay responders and first responders. The lay responders class is all that is needed right? They also have adult first aid/cpr/aed and just cpr/aed. Again, just need the cpr/aed right?
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    Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post
    Question about the CPR/AED cert. Just want to confirm I'm doing the right class. Plan on doing it through the America Red Cross. They have CPR/AED certs for lay responders and first responders. The lay responders class is all that is needed right? They also have adult first aid/cpr/aed and just cpr/aed. Again, just need the cpr/aed right?
    yes. Lay responders. cpr/aed is all you need. Maybe $50. ?
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    Originally Posted by ChessGuy View Post
    yes. Lay responders. cpr/aed is all you need. Maybe $50. ?
    Close, $70 here. Not bad at all. Only takes 2 hours too I think.
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    Or you can look up courses through the American Heart Association, depending on where you live they have the CPR/AED classes as well! I found it to be cheaper than the Red Cross! But I live in Los Angeles! Good Luck!
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    Originally Posted by benz5521 View Post
    Question about the CPR/AED cert. Just want to confirm I'm doing the right class. Plan on doing it through the America Red Cross. They have CPR/AED certs for lay responders and first responders. The lay responders class is all that is needed right? They also have adult first aid/cpr/aed and just cpr/aed. Again, just need the cpr/aed right?
    I got the FA/CPR/AED because it was offered at the community center for cheap.

    Here is a link for the NASM site, everything you need to know is there: www (dot)nasm.org/personal-trainer/exam-information

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    I am looking for credentials accepted by NASM for CEU's and the link on the site does not work. Does anyone have a link for me or know if they accept ISSA?
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    in NASM facebook page they answer me this to explain why vastus lateralis is overactive when knees move inward:
    "Thanks for your questions and I appreciate your enthusiasm for learning the material.

    If the knees cave-inward during the Overhead Squat test, there are several muscles, connective tissues, and joints that can be implicated in this dysfunction. However the Overhead Squat test is designed to give fitness professionals a general overview of movement impairments and guidance for improving these dysfunctions. Diagnostic evaluations are beyond the scope of personal trainers and should be reserved for licensed professionals (i.e. physical therapists, MD’s).

    The vastus lateralis (VL) is implicated because when overactive it can cause lateral tracking of the patella and influence (or become influenced) by knee valgus motions. This usually occurs in conjuction with abnormal contraction intensity and onset timing (i.e. weakness) of the vastus medialis oblique (VMO).

    Each of the quadriceps muscles either exerts a medial or lateral pull of the patella as it slides in the groove (femoral trochlea). When these forces balance each other, they cooperate to track the patella through the groove with little stress to the joint surface. If they do not balance each other, the patella may not track optimally. The degree of lateral pull exerted by the quadriceps is often referred to as the Q-angle. Factors that increase the Q-angle also tend to increase knee valgus. These factors include an overstretched medial collateral ligament (MCL), hip internal rotation and adduction, and foot pronation.

    I hope this helps."
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    it sounds reasonable because when I asked a friend who uses to move her knees inward she told me she does not feel any muscle tightening, it is a comfortable position for her, so the muscle is working as a sinergist as you said, in the other hand, the muscle may be just not working at all and the book is wrong, but with all that information, I think mechanically is just no possible to the vastus lateralis to move the knees inward.
    I found on internet a NASM´s Corrective Exercice Specialist book and they talk about pronated distortion syndrome but they dont talk about the vastus lateralis as a posible overactive muscle, it really confuses me, so I wrote to NASM and I will let you know what they say.
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    I have a question, I am still reading through all the pages, anyways. On Appendix D do we only need to learn the Isolated function, or do we need to know it all which also includes ( Origin, Insertion, and integrated function) it seems like a lot of information to know all of it, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by Greek_kid View Post
    I have a question, I am still reading through all the pages, anyways. On Appendix D do we only need to learn the Isolated function, or do we need to know it all which also includes ( Origin, Insertion, and integrated function) it seems like a lot of information to know all of it, thanks.
    Only the isolated functions. However, on the test I only got one question on isolated funtions. Doesn't mean you'll get the same test. Good luck on the test!
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    Originally Posted by Sander1213 View Post
    Only the isolated functions. However, on the test I only got one question on isolated funtions. Doesn't mean you'll get the same test. Good luck on the test!
    thanks that makes me feel better, I noticed for the most part each group is the same except for maybe one or 2, for example in the lower leg musculature the Anterior Tibialis is concentrically accelerates dorsiflexion and inversion while the Posterior tibialis is Plantar flexion and inversion of the foot. so for the most part as long as I can remember the odd one out it should not be that bad right?
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    Originally Posted by Greek_kid View Post
    I have a question, I am still reading through all the pages, anyways. On Appendix D do we only need to learn the Isolated function, or do we need to know it all which also includes ( Origin, Insertion, and integrated function) it seems like a lot of information to know all of it, thanks.
    I only had 1 isolated function question as well. Isolated function is still good to know for practical application.
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    Just a heads up that ptonthenet looks to be a good place to get CEU's. Anyone know about it?
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    Thanks for this! Have been studying since december and have been using this forum hand in hand. Ive finished the book and have been reading my study notes. Not sure if I am just over thinking it, but something just doesnt seem to be clicking. I plan on taking the test when I finish up teaching in Thailand next month. Is there something out there that can get me to that comfort level? Thanks again for this. Truly grateful
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    Had to postpone my test until this coming Monday. Can't wait.
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    Originally Posted by ChessGuy View Post
    Had to postpone my test until this coming Monday. Can't wait.
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    Just passed it!!! Still in a state of disbelief hahaha. Took me about an hour and 15 minutes to get through it, but I got it done! Wasn't mindbendingly overly difficult but If you don't have a general grasp and a good overview of the material it will be tough.
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    Originally Posted by ChessGuy View Post
    Had to postpone my test until this coming Monday. Can't wait.
    I hope you can beat the snow and get home
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