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    Christianity vs. Atheism

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    In the beginning there was an ultimate being. Which created everything.


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    In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
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    and then God said "let OP suck at science"
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    I would be rude about OP, but let's face it, he is probably pretty smart for a Creationist.
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    atheism: the belief that there is no compelling evidence to back up the extraordinary claims made by theists and thus it is much more likely that there is no god.
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    I always laugh at people who think that that the big bang states that "the universe exploded". Probably the same people who think that evolution states that fish crawled out of the sea and turned to monkeys which turned to humans.
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    Hahahahahaha, exactly why a posted this, to watch atheists get butthurt hahahahaha
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    Originally Posted by BboyElectrick View Post
    Christianity:
    In the beginning there was an ultimate being. Which created everything.


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    In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
    neg on recharge.. people like you go around purposely trying to make Christians look stupid
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    Originally Posted by BboyElectrick View Post
    Christianity:
    In the beginning there was an ultimate being. Which created everything.


    Atheism:
    In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
    let me fix that for you.

    christianity (and judaism): in the beggining there was chaos (then god arranged it all)

    science: in the beggining there was a chaotic and infinitely dense and small area filled with all the matter and energy in the universe, which then (you may say) "exploded" and over time it became what there is today. (which is kind of arranged, in a way)
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    So where did the ultimate being come from then?
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    From the experiment performed by aliens. In a different universe.

    Don't harden your heart to this idea.
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    Originally Posted by wh2o View Post
    let me fix that for you.

    christianity (and judaism): in the beggining there was chaos (then god arranged it all)

    science: in the beggining there was a chaotic and infinitely dense and small area filled with all the matter and energy in the universe, which then (you may say) "exploded" and over time it became what there is today. (which is kind of arranged, in a way)
    Wut? lol

    Christians believe in ex nihilo creation which is to say creation from NOTHING. God said let there be light, not "oh sh*t! it is dark in hare son imma arrange this sh*t so I can see betta".
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    Originally Posted by Pump that iron! View Post
    Wut? lol

    Christians believe in ex nihilo creation which is to say creation from NOTHING. God said let there be light, not "oh sh*t! it is dark in hare son imma arrange this sh*t so I can see betta".
    i dunno dude, i'm jewish so i don't know much about christian beliefs (know the basics though), and if you guys actually read the bible, then the religious christians do believe what i just said.
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    Originally Posted by wh2o View Post
    i dunno dude, i'm jewish, and if you guys actually read the bible, then the religious christians do believe what i just said.
    Oh, well, since you are claiming scriptural authority, I'd love to see passages that indicate that there was CHAOS PRIOR TO OR CO-ETERNAL with God. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see them but I don't think my eyes will ever gaze over these supposed passages, which according to you, actually exist...because, well, I'm right about this. That is, they believe in ex nihilo creation, /discussion.
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    Originally Posted by Pump that iron! View Post
    Oh, well, since you are claiming scriptural authority, I'd love to see passages that indicate that there was CHAOS PRIOR TO OR CO-ETERNAL with God. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see them but I don't think my eyes will ever gaze over these supposed passages, which according to you, actually exist...because, well, I'm right about this. That is, they believe in ex nihilo creation, /discussion.
    it doesn't say prior to god lol (i'm not even religious)
    but in the beggining, according to the bible all matter was chaos
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    Originally Posted by wh2o View Post
    it doesn't say prior to god lol (i'm not even religious)
    but in the beggining, according to the bible all matter was chaos
    I thought there was just darkness which I take to mean an absence of anything. Anyways, you better post the bible passage(s) unless of course you're making sh*t up.
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    Hahahahahaha, exactly why a posted this, to watch atheists get butthurt hahahahaha
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    Originally Posted by Pump that iron! View Post
    I thought there was just darkness which I take to mean an absence of anything. Anyways, you better post the bible passage(s) unless of course you're making sh*t up.
    that's because you read it in english, and the translation is really confusing and unclear.

    here's the king james version.

    1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

    but the translation is wrong.
    in hebrew it says.

    1: "in genesis ::: (the word genesis in hebrew has a slightly different meaning, as far as i know, with english as my second language, the word "genesis" refers only to the first moment of creation, correct me if i'm wrong, and even if i am it doesn't really affect the rest of the sentence. in hebrew it can be besides the genesis of the universe also the "genesis" of any arbitrary moment of time, "genesis" of the hour for example)::: god created the heavens and the earth. (so far it's ok)

    2: and the earth was chaos (in hebrew, it says תֹּהוּ וָבֹהוּ which means chaos, you can look it up yourself), and darkness upon the face of abyss (or upon the face of the deep, i personally think that abyss is clearer but it doesn't really matter)

    i am not a reliable source, but i speak hebrew and that's the way i understood it.
    and if what i'm saying really is true, than the mistake was very easy to make, the word תֹּהוּ by itself means nothingness, but תֹּהוּ וָבֹהוּ means chaos
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    From the experiment performed by aliens. In a different universe.

    Don't harden your heart to this idea.
    Where did the aliens come from? Where did the other universe come from?
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    Originally Posted by jimbob007 View Post
    Where did the aliens come from? Where did the other universe come from?
    They didn't come from anywhere, they just are. You don't believe because you prefer moral nihilism. You need faith so that your spiritual eyes can be opened.
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    Originally Posted by BboyElectrick View Post
    Christianity:
    In the beginning there was an ultimate being. Which created everything.


    Atheism:
    In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
    And dumbest poster of the year goes to you.

    You've about inaccurately described the big bang as you possible could. Also Christianity explains different things than the Big Bang.

    Big Bang deals with the origin of our universe.
    Genesis deals with the origin of life of matter.
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    Originally Posted by ne12o View Post
    And dumbest poster of the year goes to you.
    Are you forgetting Cross-Trainer's repeated assertion that the Rapture was definitely happening on 21-May, and that all the good Christians were going to be magically levitated up into the sky to be with Jesus.
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    Originally Posted by kebABS View Post
    That's not at all accurate. At least the ones against theism are largely correct.

    Atheism itself makes zero comment on the origin of the universe.
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    Originally Posted by BboyElectrick View Post
    Christianity:
    In the beginning there was an ultimate being. Which created everything.


    Atheism:
    In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
    Wrong. Something along these lines would be more accurate.

    Christianity

    In the beginning there was an ultimate being which had specific human like emotions. Was "perfect". Created us in his image with little evidence of his existence. Expects us to worship and pray to him and most importantly believe in jesus as the son of god or we shall burn in eternity.

    Atheism

    We have no clue if the universe was created or always was and if it was created we have no clue if there is/was a "supreme being" but reject the mainstream ideas of a deity as portrayed in the worlds religions.
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    Originally Posted by Wussy View Post
    That's not at all accurate. At least the ones against theism are largely correct.

    Atheism itself makes zero comment on the origin of the universe.
    Hurr durr atheism is a belief, don't you know, derp.
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    Originally Posted by StylesOfBeyond View Post
    Hurr durr atheism is a belief, don't you know, derp.
    in the same way that bald is a hairstyle
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    Originally Posted by Maiar View Post
    atheism: the belief that there is no compelling evidence to back up the extraordinary claims made by theists and thus there is no reason to believe in no god.
    fixed
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    Originally Posted by BboyElectrick View Post
    Christianity:
    In the beginning there was an ultimate being. Which created everything, including people who couldn't help but sin. He then sent his son to die because he wanted to kill someone for the sins that he programmed people to partake in.


    Atheism:

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    Originally Posted by Beeewbs View Post
    Fixed.
    Christianity doesnt just say there was "an ultimate being" they describe a specific being with various qualities.
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