"Muscle beats import everytime!"???

[Ultimus]

Muscle does not beat import! Muscle sports just looks. And even those are questionable. Even a Renault Clio Cup 182 can run circles around those 40liters/100km muscle cars!

Dream on Detroit metal fanboys! Your carburetor-driver 1950 designed prehistoric V8s are museum bound!

I have a fairly healthy respect for the Viper. Considering that it's actually the size a sports car should be now (instead of the minivan Challenger/Camaro and the 4-door-full-size-sedan Mustang), it isn't heavily advertised and shadily-inserted into TV shows like the Corvette (101 cars you must drive, that one show with tanner foust...just listen to how robotic the hosts are when they mention some very generic things about the Corvettes they have to drive), and for that matter, it actually costs LESS than the Corvette (not by much and both nationally-competitive versions of these cars - which would be the ACR you mentioned and the Z06/C6/whateverthehell the new Corvette is called - are both over 100k, so they can't use any beat-similar-price crap), it's a very worthwhile car.

According to Wikipedia, the 2009 Viper SRT-10 ACR currently holds the second fastest N?rburgring lap time set by a production car with a time of 7:22.1. That's still pretty good, but that isn't the sole indicator of that thing's performance. As for statistics, etc., you can look at them all day. The Corvette teams in Le Mans are factory-supported, which is a huge advantage in that sort of motorsport, for example. When I watched Le Mans this/last year, the VIpers were always losing it at corners and the Pontiac G_s were always breaking down. Corvette has factory support so they're not out of the clear either.

Forgive me if I seem negative with this post - like I said, I respect the Viper. It's achieved quite a bit on its own - Nurburgring is tough, and racing teams have stuck with the Viper and won. It's got its own list of trophies at the bottom of its Wikipedia page.

But rambling aside, it's not a muscle car. American, yes. Muscle, no. A muscle car is a street-drivable car intended for drag racing. The real muscle cars (in the 60s) were simple machines that didn't cost too much and could be home-upgraded to kingdom come. They handled like crap, but the culture in the US dictated that handling meant nothing for these cars. A sports caris a different thing - it's a street-drivable car intended to excel in all categories of automobile performance. SInce the Viper and Corvette both attempt to do this and the Challenger and Camaro have neither drag nor sports performance, the Corvette and Viper are sports cars and the Challenger and Camaro are not true muscle cars.

Also, those old muscle cars, as stated before, handle like crap. They are not sports cars, and they handled bad for 20 years ago - which means they handle horribly now. They cannot and will not win a non-drag race with a modern sports car, which this movie (and ESPECIALLY Tokyo drift - a 350Z loses to some muscle car in a Touge run? It would have been OBLITERATED) fails to recognise.
It's suspicious how recently old muscle cars have SUDDENLY become exalted in North American culture, just as it's suspicious that whenever the Corvette is mentioned in American media it seems half-assed but full of praise.

[strongsmallkid]

it's true you ugly man.













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[jonnyperoni]

its true. if u dont like it then FUK u

[Rambostyne]

He's definitely mad. Probably owns an import. Sounds like a biased opinion.

[Hugh Jazz]

At least Justin Lin can get girls.

[blinkers88]

at least he gets to suck on toes. wat

[MCKMuscle]

Oh hai thar.

[Travis71902]

What was Justin Lin Smoking?

Muscle does not beat import! Muscle sports just looks. And even those are questionable. Even a Renault Clio Cup 182 can run circles around those 40liters/100km muscle cars!

Dream on Detroit metal fanboys! Your carburetor-driver 1950 designed prehistoric V8s are museum bound!

^ small penis.

[jonnyperoni]

What was Justin Lin Smoking?

Muscle does not beat import! Muscle sports just looks. And even those are questionable. Even a Renault Clio Cup 182 can run circles around those 40liters/100km muscle cars!

Dream on Detroit metal fanboys! Your carburetor-driver 1950 designed prehistoric V8s are museum bound!

for ur info, muscle cars arent carb'd n e more. fuktard. fuk ur HP/LITER! RICER!

[jackamo2887]

"Whats up dawg, I dropped outta highschool now I just hang out at duncan donuts and race my 1995 Honda civic.."

[IVEverLow]

A debate about domestic vs. import performance? Never seen one of these before.

[user87861311845]

A debate about domestic vs. import performance? Never seen one of these before.

It'll be nice to have a fresh topic to discuss.

[Ultimus]

I have a fairly healthy respect for the Viper. Considering that it's actually the size a sports car should be now (instead of the minivan Challenger/Camaro and the 4-door-full-size-sedan Mustang), it isn't heavily advertised and shadily-inserted into TV shows like the Corvette (101 cars you must drive, that one show with tanner foust...just listen to how robotic the hosts are when they mention some very generic things about the Corvettes they have to drive), and for that matter, it actually costs LESS than the Corvette (not by much and both nationally-competitive versions of these cars - which would be the ACR you mentioned and the Z06/C6/whateverthehell the new Corvette is called - are both over 100k, so they can't use any beat-similar-price crap), it's a very worthwhile car.

According to Wikipedia, the 2009 Viper SRT-10 ACR currently holds the second fastest N?rburgring lap time set by a production car with a time of 7:22.1. That's still pretty good, but that isn't the sole indicator of that thing's performance. As for statistics, etc., you can look at them all day. The Corvette teams in Le Mans are factory-supported, which is a huge advantage in that sort of motorsport, for example. When I watched Le Mans this/last year, the VIpers were always losing it at corners and the Pontiac G_s were always breaking down. Corvette has factory support so they're not out of the clear either.

Forgive me if I seem negative with this post - like I said, I respect the Viper. It's achieved quite a bit on its own - Nurburgring is tough, and racing teams have stuck with the Viper and won. It's got its own list of trophies at the bottom of its Wikipedia page.

But rambling aside, it's not a muscle car. American, yes. Muscle, no. A muscle car is a street-drivable car intended for drag racing. The real muscle cars (in the 60s) were simple machines that didn't cost too much and could be home-upgraded to kingdom come. They handled like crap, but the culture in the US dictated that handling meant nothing for these cars. A sports caris a different thing - it's a street-drivable car intended to excel in all categories of automobile performance. SInce the Viper and Corvette both attempt to do this and the Challenger and Camaro have neither drag nor sports performance, the Corvette and Viper are sports cars and the Challenger and Camaro are not true muscle cars.

Also, those old muscle cars, as stated before, handle like crap. They are not sports cars, and they handled bad for 20 years ago - which means they handle horribly now. They cannot and will not win a non-drag race with a modern sports car, which this movie (and ESPECIALLY Tokyo drift - a 350Z loses to some muscle car in a Touge run? It would have been OBLITERATED) fails to recognise.
It's suspicious how recently old muscle cars have SUDDENLY become exalted in North American culture, just as it's suspicious that whenever the Corvette is mentioned in American media it seems half-assed but full of praise.

[-SLASH-]

A fool you are.

EDIT: You are one stupid bastard.

[_Ishy]

Where are you getting these posts from? Clearly you're not writing them..

[IVEverLow]

I have a fairly healthy respect for the Viper. Considering that it's actually the size a sports car should be now (instead of the minivan Challenger/Camaro and the 4-door-full-size-sedan Mustang), it isn't heavily advertised and shadily-inserted into TV shows like the Corvette (101 cars you must drive, that one show with tanner foust...just listen to how robotic the hosts are when they mention some very generic things about the Corvettes they have to drive), and for that matter, it actually costs LESS than the Corvette (not by much and both nationally-competitive versions of these cars - which would be the ACR you mentioned and the Z06/C6/whateverthehell the new Corvette is called - are both over 100k, so they can't use any beat-similar-price crap), it's a very worthwhile car.

According to Wikipedia, the 2009 Viper SRT-10 ACR currently holds the second fastest N?rburgring lap time set by a production car with a time of 7:22.1. That's still pretty good, but that isn't the sole indicator of that thing's performance. As for statistics, etc., you can look at them all day. The Corvette teams in Le Mans are factory-supported, which is a huge advantage in that sort of motorsport, for example. When I watched Le Mans this/last year, the VIpers were always losing it at corners and the Pontiac G_s were always breaking down. Corvette has factory support so they're not out of the clear either.

Forgive me if I seem negative with this post - like I said, I respect the Viper. It's achieved quite a bit on its own - Nurburgring is tough, and racing teams have stuck with the Viper and won. It's got its own list of trophies at the bottom of its Wikipedia page.

But rambling aside, it's not a muscle car. American, yes. Muscle, no. A muscle car is a street-drivable car intended for drag racing. The real muscle cars (in the 60s) were simple machines that didn't cost too much and could be home-upgraded to kingdom come. They handled like crap, but the culture in the US dictated that handling meant nothing for these cars. A sports caris a different thing - it's a street-drivable car intended to excel in all categories of automobile performance. SInce the Viper and Corvette both attempt to do this and the Challenger and Camaro have neither drag nor sports performance, the Corvette and Viper are sports cars and the Challenger and Camaro are not true muscle cars.

Also, those old muscle cars, as stated before, handle like crap. They are not sports cars, and they handled bad for 20 years ago - which means they handle horribly now. They cannot and will not win a non-drag race with a modern sports car, which this movie (and ESPECIALLY Tokyo drift - a 350Z loses to some muscle car in a Touge run? It would have been OBLITERATED) fails to recognise.
It's suspicious how recently old muscle cars have SUDDENLY become exalted in North American culture, just as it's suspicious that whenever the Corvette is mentioned in American media it seems half-assed but full of praise.

lol.. american muscle cars are the foundation for ALL performance cars. they are the beginning of modded/performance car history.

Old muscle cars have ALWAYS been an american pastime.. imports are the suddenly new fad.

you're also stating that a modded 350z will ALWAYS outhandle/perform a modded muscle car? lol.. take your ass to an auto shop class and stop watching FFnF and reading import tuner you kiddie ***got

[jonnyperoni]

nice copy and paste. and the challenger and camaro DO have drag performance. how often do u c a stock import in the 13's bone stock? exactly, douche.
EDIT: who gives a **** about handling? its not like ur gonna go around corners n **** in a street race.
DOUBLE EDIT: since when has a mustang been a 4 door sedan?!?!?! ur a fukin retard!

[Ultimus]

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[Blindead]

who ****ing cares?

[IVEverLow]

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yuo'er and idiot

[kziwarrior]

He's definitely mad. Probably owns an import. Sounds like a biased opinion.

Agreed, LOL. Especially when you consider the money dumped into an import to make it even compete with MUSCLE. Not to mention I hate a car that sounds like a lawnmower. Never understood why you would want to dump $15K+ into an engine of a 10-15K car, only to get it to keep-up with a stock $25K Muscle... Yes I've seen imports that will keep up or even outrun a vette but they all have $20K just in their motors... Another $5K in suspension... Another $5k in the interior and radio... tack on the $10K for the car and WTF, $50K buys a Z06, and I've not seen an import that will outrun or out handle a Z06.

And you simply can't have a little 4cyl engine put out that much power and be reliable. I've got buddies that have to rebuild their "lawnmowers" after every few races. I've ran my SS for years with no problems. Not to mention if/when I need to work on it I can strip the whole engine w/o taking it out of the frame. I made some slight changes in the suspension and I can now out-handle any import in cornering. My friend put his RX-8 through a fence and in a ditch a few months ago trying to prove otherwise.

Hell, last time I checked even most of the top pro drifting cars were Muscle cars (Mustang, Viper, Charger ect).

[jonnyperoni]

Agreed, LOL. Especially when you consider the money dumped into an import to make it even compete with MUSCLE. Not to mention I hate a car that sounds like a lawnmower. Never understood why you would want to dump $15K+ into an engine of a 10-15K car, only to get it to keep-up with a stock $25K Muscle... Yes I've seen imports that will keep up or even outrun a vette but they all have $20K just in their motors... Another $5K in suspension... Another $5k in the interior and radio... tack on the $10K for the car and WTF, $50K buys a Z06, and I've not seen an import that will outrun or out handle a Z06.

And you simply can't have a little 4cyl engine put out that much power and be reliable. I've got buddies that have to rebuild their "lawnmowers" after every few races. I've ran my SS for years with no problems. Not to mention if/when I need to work on it I can strip the whole engine w/o taking it out of the frame.

Ever see one of those imports win La Mans? Hell, last time I checked even most of the top pro drifting cars were Muscle cars (Mustang, Viper, Charger ect).

dude u could buy a ls1 camaro nowadays for about 6 g's. slap 10 - 15 g's on there and u got a low 10 - 9 second beast easy. even the terminators r fukin sick with just a pulley swap and a tune. 450+ horses just with that. imports can never compete with that.

[kziwarrior]

dude u could buy a ls1 camaro nowadays for about 6 g's. slap 10 - 15 g's on there and u got a low 10 - 9 second beast easy. even the terminators r fukin sick with just a pulley swap and a tune. 450+ horses just with that. imports can never compete with that.

Agreed, but most "import lovers" will tell you it's about handling not just 1/4 mile (lmao, though most of those import idiots won't run a 1/4 mile, just an 1/8 mile). That why I added the part about tweaking my suspension. But even stock for stock imports can't compete with a muscle in handling (they have to spend $$$$ to get those imports to out handle a stock MUSCLE. My friend dumped out 3K into that RX-8 and still couldn't hang (I put less than $2k in SS).

[PHX04]

Age: 17

[RCATES]

What size motor is in the fastest cars in the world (Top Fuel Drag/Formula One)?
Ohh yeah V8's.......Not some ****ing ricer turbo'd 4banger.

[chris642]

[kziwarrior]

What size motor is in the fastest cars in the world (Top Fuel Drag/Formula One)?
Ohh yeah V8's.......Not some ****ing ricer turbo'd 4banger.

While I see where your going (and agree with you), your two examples are a bit ridiculous given the confines of "street cars". Formula 1 cars use a very small 2.4L v8 (most 4-cly today have the same displacement) but get their power from the 18,000 RPM redlines and ridiculous gearing. And Top Fuel drag cars use HUGE 426-500 ci big-blocks with a 55-70 PSI supercharger/blower and are powered by racing alcohol. Again for the scope of the original conversation they don't really apply.

But you're right in another way. You can get a crate v8 that will outperform most of the "***ing ricer turbo'd 4banger[s]" cept for the most insanely modded ones (there are stupid "trust fund" idiots and spoiled brats I know that have put 30-40K in just their engines. But I could easily (and for less $$$) take any good american muscle out run and out perform them.

Any challengers in/around the Nashville area PM me next month. Just got the call from my Chevy dealer that my Camaro 2SS (426hp stock) will be in by the end of the month!!!!!!!! Already shopping for a turbo and exhaust kit for it. HELL YEAZZZ, anyone care to step up (it will be over 600hp on the ground after tuning)???

[Jester78]

What size motor is in the fastest cars in the world (Top Fuel Drag/Formula One)?
Ohh yeah V8's.......Not some ****ing ricer turbo'd 4banger.

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[89FoxBody]

Yo son are you mad cause your car sounds like a blender?

[rogelio29]

motorcycles beat cars everytime


wait till you see my r1... imma beat that pussy up