So 1.M.R. is officially off the site, will others follow?

[MyManD]

Now that 1.M.R. is listed as discontinued, with rumors having it a new formulation is in the works to replace the 1,3 with some kind of extract, will other PWO products like C4, Hemo Rage and Jack3d follow suit?

From what I can tell, 1,3 is the big bad in this game, but why is it just 1.M.R. that was pulled?

[Spencelynn]

Now that 1.M.R. is listed as discontinued, with rumors having it a new formulation is in the works to replace the 1,3 with some kind of extract, will other PWO products like C4, Hemo Rage and Jack3d follow suit?

From what I can tell, 1,3 is the big bad in this game, but why is it just 1.M.R. that was pulled?

Like you said my man, they're probably working on a new formula. The other companies might not yet realize the business that they might be losing.

[GetRippedInc]

Like you said my man, they're probably working on a new formulat. The other companies might not yet realize the business that they might be losing.

new formula is already done.

[Joe D]

new formula is already done.

Is it just as crappy as the old one?

[or_yourlivingtodie]

expect to see more 1,3 products changing in the near future.......

[cuttin.bruh]

Will be stocking up on 1MR and OEP

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Will be stocking up on 1MR and OEP

lol

[BrbGettinHyooge]

Will be stocking up on 1MR and OEP

Just buy 1,3 seperately or something and take it with a pre-workout you already like.

[DASBUNKER]

1,3D kills neurons... it makes them work too hard with all the focus and ****.. i can feel them dying when use 1,3.. literally

[bigd54]

in all seriousness what is so bad about 1,3 can some link me an article?

[BENTLEY1]

Rip 1,3. Only a matter of time. That sux for the responsibly dosed pre's out there like presurge unleashed, flashover,etc.

[sixthsense]

This is precisely why ALL AMERICAN EFX made K-otic without 1,3,D. We knew it would get pulled AND it is not all that safe.

[Farley1324]

This is precisely why ALL AMERICAN EFX made K-otic without 1,3,D. We knew it would get pulled AND it is not all that safe.

Never miss an "opportunity" to plug your product even when nobody was talking or asking about it in any way, eh

[sixthsense]

Never miss an "opportunity" to plug your product even when nobody was talking or asking about it in any way, eh

Absolutely not bro!

And, just making a point...we knew this would be happening and did not follow the "bandwagon."

Hate all ya want...bothers me not : )

[Farley1324]

Absolutely not bro!

And, just making a point...we knew this would be happening and did not follow the "bandwagon."

Hate all ya want...bothers me not : )

Ahhh, you think you have "haters"...+10 cool points, amiright? lol

[sixthsense]

Ahhh, you think you have "haters"...+10 cool points, amiright? lol

I MAY think you are right (or wrong) if I knew what the heck you were talking about!

[Blue Boogie]

BRB stocking up on 1, 3 to sell to kiddies after products pull it. Not srs. Glad I declined everything with it in there, despite how hard they were pushed.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Never miss an "opportunity" to plug your product even when nobody was talking or asking about it in any way, eh

hahaha

[XCriticalBenchX]

I honestly beleive there are a lot more that are going to follow.

Mike

[bigd54]

bump for my question? lol

[wayprotein]

expect to see more 1,3 products changing in the near future.......

probably since military and sports arent allowing it they are probably losing alot of business

This is precisely why ALL AMERICAN EFX made K-otic without 1,3,D. We knew it would get pulled AND it is not all that safe.

nothing got pulled they changed the formula because sports and military arent allowing it

Never miss an "opportunity" to plug your product even when nobody was talking or asking about it in any way, eh

lol ^this im so sick of seeing people shilling this sh!t in every post

[GetHugeBrah]

BRB buying 100 Hemo Rage UCs to sell in 2yrs when all of them have changed.

Na, 1,3 messed me up. It gave me exertion headaches. I still take PWOs but lighter doses, or heavy dose less often.

[hove131]

I thought 1,3 dimethyl was legal. What's the deal here? And if the substance isn't legal, I know the plant it derives from is and that the companies were legally getting it buy extracting it this way and adding it to the supplements. Enlighten me on this subject...

[sixthsense]

lol ^this im so sick of seeing people shilling this sh!t in every post

Me too actually! I take back my original post! K-Otic truly sucks. I HATE training like an animal!

[wayprotein]

let me guess what will happen companies will change formulas and replace the 1,3 dimeth with something 10 times more potentionally dangerous.

and i dont think all companies are replacing it i can think of 3 new preworkouts that just came or are coming out that all include it

[wayprotein]

Me too actually! I take back my original post! K-Otic truly sucks. I HATE training like an animal!

yeah bro but k-otic is honestly the best pre ive ever used

not srs

[or_yourlivingtodie]

I thought 1,3 dimethyl was legal. What's the deal here? And if the substance isn't legal, I know the plant it derives from is and that the companies were legally getting it buy extracting it this way and adding it to the supplements. Enlighten me on this subject...

1,3 is found in plants yes, but if im not mistaken, any product containing 1,3 uses a synthetic form of it, as it would be unrealistic to extract the amount used from plants

EDIT
there was a huge thread about this a while back, to lazy to go find it

[DASBUNKER]

how to represent supplement companies 101

Chapter 1

Stealth Shilling...

Blah... Blah.. Posters might get angry...Blah.. Blah.. Obvious Shilling is Obvious..


someone stopped reading right durr

[mojo85]

Me too actually! I take back my original post! K-Otic truly sucks. I HATE training like an animal!

Animals arent aloud in the gym and if so why would you want to train like a mollask or an eel? You need to be more spacific with your analagies. And if they did train I doubt they would use k-otic, for one they dont have credit cards or cash to purchase such an item and 2nd of all they couldnt read the dosing instructions. Did you even think before you posted this crap?

[smt1]

I thought 1,3 dimethyl was legal. What's the deal here? And if the substance isn't legal, I know the plant it derives from is and that the companies were legally getting it buy extracting it this way and adding it to the supplements. Enlighten me on this subject...

1. Getting 1,3-dimethyl from germanium oil was never economically viable because of the very low concentration of the stuff in it (PA said this a while back). All current stuff is synthetically made.

2. There's a lawsuit (against USPLabs) now that disputes the fact that 1,3-dimethyl was actually in germanium oil the first place. There was a study done in China in the mid 90's (Ping, et al. 1996) that found it was in one species over there (at a conc. of <1% the extract). I don't believe this result was ever replicated.