how to ensure you don't gain fat on a carb up day?

[as3d]

exactly what the title says. What's the most you can do to ensure you don't gain any bodyfat on a carb up day?

[kwebbers]

exactly what the title says. What's the most you can do to ensure you don't gain any bodyfat on a carb up day?

keep your intake to maintenance cals

[tonytoo]

oh. that makes so much sense now. lol~!

[TonyBear]

So at the end of the day, what really matters is the number of calories taken vs. the calories burned? In other words do you think that 1800 calories of a keto diet, have the same effect on our bodies than 1800 calories of a diet higher in carbohydrates?




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keep your intake to maintenance cals

[tonytoo]

I think there is a huge difference between eating at maintenance on a keto diet vs eating at maintenance with carbs. I lose weight eating at maintenance or slightly above it on a keto diet. where as on a normal diet I would maintain or slightly gain.

[PhilosophyCas]

Interesting Thread and one that I can relate to as I'm having my carb up today. Well reading BodyOpus which I am following to an extent..Dan Duchaine recommends 16g of carbs X your Lean Body Mass. Thus for me this equates to 16g X 65 which equals 1000g of carbs in a 24 hour period. He says that this is the limit as once you surpass the 16XLBM you start gaining FAT.

Personally after my depletion yesterday (Friday as I live in Australia) I basically took some liquid carbs and had more carbs later in the night as I went out. Now this morning I have continued my carbs and I shall until tonight. Although he has his carb up until Sunday afternoon. To be honest it is 1:30pm here and I still am not bloated, nor have my muscles fully regained water it seems yet. I have been eating a lot of High GI foods such as sweets and chocolate with no bloat and it feels great. I went 2 weeks without any carbs (only traces) and I seem to be fine as I said. Will continue the carb up without worrying about the finite details and carbs I intake.

Hey have some fun while you can and don't worry about it, will I gain some Fat...Maybe but it wont be much and I'll be back to Keto tomorrow (Sunday). That is all I have if you have any other questions by all means ask we're here to help each other. Thanks.

[alex2363]

you really aint gonna gain any significant crazy permanent fat/weight in 1 or 2 days, whatever you gain will be in water and you can shed that in few days, however if yuo eat like that for a week thats a diff story.

[TonyBear]

Wow, 1000 grams of carbohydrates has 4000 calories, and that's only calories of carbs, if you add the calories of proteins and fats for that day and it would be much more.

Personally i only need around 100 grs to 200 grams of carbs, for my carb-up day, and i eat healthy carbs, I try to have an oatmeal of around 60 grams of carbs. and a cream of wheat of about 60 100 grams of carbs. So i eat around 120 grams of carbs. on my carb-up day, I really can't have more carbs than that amount, because I am very carb-sensitive


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Interesting Thread and one that I can relate to as I'm having my carb up today. Well reading BodyOpus which I am following to an extent..Dan Duchaine recommends 16g of carbs X your Lean Body Mass. Thus for me this equates to 16g X 65 which equals 1000g of carbs in a 24 hour period. He says that this is the limit as once you surpass the 16XLBM you start gaining FAT.

Personally after my depletion yesterday (Friday as I live in Australia) I basically took some liquid carbs and had more carbs later in the night as I went out. Now this morning I have continued my carbs and I shall until tonight. Although he has his carb up until Sunday afternoon. To be honest it is 1:30pm here and I still am not bloated, nor have my muscles fully regained water it seems yet. I have been eating a lot of High GI foods such as sweets and chocolate with no bloat and it feels great. I went 2 weeks without any carbs (only traces) and I seem to be fine as I said. Will continue the carb up without worrying about the finite details and carbs I intake.

Hey have some fun while you can and don't worry about it, will I gain some Fat...Maybe but it wont be much and I'll be back to Keto tomorrow (Sunday). That is all I have if you have any other questions by all means ask we're here to help each other. Thanks.

[Cumulonimbus]

So at the end of the day, what really matters is the number of calories taken vs. the calories burned? In other words do you think that 1800 calories of a keto diet, have the same effect on our bodies than 1800 calories of a diet higher in carbohydrates?




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Yes..

[Cumulonimbus]

I think there is a huge difference between eating at maintenance on a keto diet vs eating at maintenance with carbs. I lose weight eating at maintenance or slightly above it on a keto diet. where as on a normal diet I would maintain or slightly gain.

No, you simply cannot count and track macros properly. Stop talking crap out of your arse please.

[VAnick]

No, you simply cannot count and track macros properly. Stop talking crap out of your arse please.

+1

The fact is that weight/fat gain is all a matter of calories in vs calories out. If your maintenance is 2000 calories and your carb up is 4000 calories, there is no way in hell you are making it without gaining fat.

No carb/carb cycling/low fat/ etc. diets are used to provide a blanket caloric restriction to those that don't bother reading (eh?). If followed, it becomes harder to eat at/above maintenance when you avoid an entire macro nutrient. But it does not make it impossible. Eating above maintenance on keto will still result in weight gain, just like eating above maintenance on any other diet.

[Cumulonimbus]

+1

The fact is that weight/fat gain is all a matter of calories in vs calories out. If your maintenance is 2000 calories and your carb up is 4000 calories, there is no way in hell you are making it without gaining fat.

No carb/carb cycling/low fat/ etc. diets are used to provide a blanket caloric restriction to those that don't bother reading (eh?). If followed, it becomes harder to eat at/above maintenance when you avoid an entire macro nutrient. But it does not make it impossible. Eating above maintenance on keto will still result in weight gain, just like eating above maintenance on any other diet.

wow, common sense in the keto section.

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[VAnick]

Interesting Thread and one that I can relate to as I'm having my carb up today. Well reading BodyOpus which I am following to an extent..Dan Duchaine recommends 16g of carbs X your Lean Body Mass. Thus for me this equates to 16g X 65 which equals 1000g of carbs in a 24 hour period. He says that this is the limit as once you surpass the 16XLBM you start gaining FAT.

Personally after my depletion yesterday (Friday as I live in Australia) I basically took some liquid carbs and had more carbs later in the night as I went out. Now this morning I have continued my carbs and I shall until tonight. Although he has his carb up until Sunday afternoon. To be honest it is 1:30pm here and I still am not bloated, nor have my muscles fully regained water it seems yet. I have been eating a lot of High GI foods such as sweets and chocolate with no bloat and it feels great. I went 2 weeks without any carbs (only traces) and I seem to be fine as I said. Will continue the carb up without worrying about the finite details and carbs I intake.

Hey have some fun while you can and don't worry about it, will I gain some Fat...Maybe but it wont be much and I'll be back to Keto tomorrow (Sunday). That is all I have if you have any other questions by all means ask we're here to help each other. Thanks.

That's dumb. 4000 calories strictly from carbs and you are "dieting"?
Reality check is in order. Count calories to maximize effectiveness. No reason you can't carb up and remain at maintenance/under.

[Italian.Muscle]

People are only eating 120g on carb up days? What the hell...once i start eating some carbs i dont stop.

[humzah]

you really aint gonna gain any significant crazy permanent fat/weight in 1 or 2 days, whatever you gain will be in water and you can shed that in few days, however if yuo eat like that for a week thats a diff story.

this

[alex2363]

No, you simply cannot count and track macros properly. Stop talking crap out of your arse please.

lmao

+1

The fact is that weight/fat gain is all a matter of calories in vs calories out. If your maintenance is 2000 calories and your carb up is 4000 calories, there is no way in hell you are making it without gaining fat.

No carb/carb cycling/low fat/ etc. diets are used to provide a blanket caloric restriction to those that don't bother reading (eh?). If followed, it becomes harder to eat at/above maintenance when you avoid an entire macro nutrient. But it does not make it impossible. Eating above maintenance on keto will still result in weight gain, just like eating above maintenance on any other diet.

true point

wow, common sense in the keto section.

isthisreallife.jpg

bout time,lol

That's dumb. 4000 calories strictly from carbs and you are "dieting"?
Reality check is in order. Count calories to maximize effectiveness. No reason you can't carb up and remain at maintenance/under.

takes cmmon sense, maybe you can have 1 cheat meal , not few days worth.

[humzah]

+1

The fact is that weight/fat gain is all a matter of calories in vs calories out. If your maintenance is 2000 calories and your carb up is 4000 calories, there is no way in hell you are making it without gaining fat

No carb/carb cycling/low fat/ etc. diets are used to provide a blanket caloric restriction to those that don't bother reading (eh?). If followed, it becomes harder to eat at/above maintenance when you avoid an entire macro nutrient. But it does not make it impossible. Eating above maintenance on keto will still result in weight gain, just like eating above maintenance on any other diet.

but outta curiosity if someone's eating in a manner where he or she manages to burn those 3500 cals to burn 1 pound of fat per week ( cuz i do that and i track my calories except for on carb ups) how much harm could ONE day of a carb up do? or how much fat can one gain in a day??

[PhilosophyCas]

Am I missing something 100grams...200grams you guys are actually cutting on carb days...WHAT!?!? Wow never knew such a thing. Hold up let me ask you something WHY oh WHY are you carbing up? I know for sure it is to REFILL glycogen stores...Right? Well I know for sure 200g of carbs is not enough. Our brain needs atleast 80-100g of carbs to function properly and I know for sure that your body requires ENERGY to live/be active during the day therefore using CARBS as a source of ENERGY. So what is left for the muscles...10g. I just don't get it maybe 1000g is too much but I'm sure to prefer 1000g over 200g. I'm dumbfounded how people eat below maintenance on carb days...

[humzah]

Am I missing something 100grams...200grams you guys are actually cutting on carb days...WHAT!?!? Wow never knew such a thing. Hold up let me ask you something WHY oh WHY are you carbing up? I know for sure it is to REFILL glycogen stores...Right? Well I know for sure 200g of carbs is not enough. Our brain needs atleast 80-100g of carbs to function properly and I know for sure that your body requires ENERGY to live/be active during the day therefore using CARBS as a source of ENERGY. So what is left for the muscles...10g. I just don't get it maybe 1000g is too much but I'm sure to prefer 1000g over 200g. I'm dumbfounded how people eat below maintenance on carb days...

that's what i was thinking tooo

[tonytoo]

cum... I want to argue with you but A) you have the power to neg rep my ass back to red hell oblivion AND B) you give very solid advice to me which I appreciate (and would like to continue receiving in the future)...

that being said I don't think you would believe me if I gave you anecdotal evidence. I have just personally noticed that even if a calorie is a calorie is a calorie that if I eat at my maintenance in a keto style lots of protein plus a little fat or if I eat same calories with carbohydrates I get fatter with the carbohydrates and I feel ickier with them. maybe it is just that I work out harder in keto? *shrugs* I don't know maybe there is something psychological about the process for me that helps?

if a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, and I am counting them exactly, what else could be affecting my diet? - honestly, I am at a loss for ideas on it...

[as3d]

thanks for the feedback guys.
i did some research myself, and found this on simply shredded: http://www.simplyshredded.com/resear...-mcdonald.html

helped me a lot. I'm confident i know every detail of what to do when carbing up.
Here is what i gathered:

*8-10 grams per kilo of lean body mass of carbs over the first 24-hours of a carb up day.
(for me that comes to 500g of carbs)
*stick to high GI carbs earlier in the day, then switch to low GI carbs later.
*Carbs every 2 hours.
*keep fat intake low to prevent bodyfat regain (for me, below 50g)'
*although calories on a carb up day are expected to rise 800 over maintenance, fat gain will be minimal.
*If the correct amount of carbohydrates are consumed, no carbs will be used for energy, just glycogen synthesis, and the body will still use fat for fuel .

hope this helped anyone.
reps will be appreciated

[Cumulonimbus]

cum... I want to argue with you but A) you have the power to neg rep my ass back to red hell oblivion AND B) you give very solid advice to me which I appreciate (and would like to continue receiving in the future)...

that being said I don't think you would believe me if I gave you anecdotal evidence. I have just personally noticed that even if a calorie is a calorie is a calorie that if I eat at my maintenance in a keto style lots of protein plus a little fat or if I eat same calories with carbohydrates I get fatter with the carbohydrates and I feel ickier with them. maybe it is just that I work out harder in keto? *shrugs* I don't know maybe there is something psychological about the process for me that helps?

if a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, and I am counting them exactly, what else could be affecting my diet? - honestly, I am at a loss for ideas on it...

Placebo and you are mistaking water weight for true fat loss.

Seriously, this magic keto stuff makes me laugh. Sure keto works, but saying that crap you said is just a joke.

[kwebbers]

I think there is a huge difference between eating at maintenance on a keto diet vs eating at maintenance with carbs. I lose weight eating at maintenance or slightly above it on a keto diet. where as on a normal diet I would maintain or slightly gain.

and that would be water that you gained....

[kwebbers]

this thread is like asking "what weighs more? a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks??' common sense!

[DustyChicago]

Placebo and you are mistaking water weight for true fat loss.

Truth... if you've been on this forum for more than a day, you ought be off the widespread crappy generalization that the goal of dieting is to "loose weight."

However

It is not as simple as cals in vs cals out. Although, most of the time it is. Genetic disorders, heredity or created through habits, can absolutely fux with this calculation.
http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/...production.tpl

[Pridehurtsform]

not have them

[Cumulonimbus]

Truth... if you've been on this forum for more than a day, you ought be off the widespread crappy generalization that the goal of dieting is to "loose weight."

However

It is not as simple as cals in vs cals out. Although, most of the time it is. Genetic disorders, heredity or created through habits, can absolutely fux with this calculation.
http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/...production.tpl

omg, broscience to the max LOL

[womanoid]

Cumulonimbus is on my ignore list so I don't know what he's saying but I'm going to agree with him anyway because he doesn't believe in unicorns, harry potter & disappearing calories.

[DustyChicago]

omg, broscience to the max LOL

watch the vids dude... its not bro-science...doc educated in boston, has a whole facility named after him at UCLA and even so, i'm generally agreeing with the proposition that cals in/cals out works for 99% of the population.

[Cumulonimbus]

watch the vids dude... its not bro-science...doc educated in boston, has a whole facility named after him at UCLA and even so, i'm generally agreeing with the proposition that cals in/cals out works for 99% of the population.

Dude, I've listened to the podcast and watched the video.

Isolating single metabolic processes without looking at the big picture is ridiculous.