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    Is MMA bigger than boxing yet?

    In terms of $$$

    Im having an argument at work and I'm saying that MMA has taken over boxing. I want to back this up with some numbers!!

    Also someone is saying that a boxer is more conditioned than an MMA fighter despite him admitting he has never watched MMA! Ignorance at its finest!
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    Not really, no.

    MMA fanboys like to say so, but MMA is mostly a US thing still whereas Boxing is still popular globally.
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    Originally Posted by AuroraPsycho28 View Post
    Not really, no.

    MMA fanboys like to say so, but MMA is mostly a US thing still whereas Boxing is still popular globally.
    Somebody may still have the link, but a few weeks ago there was an article detailing the top 10 PPV buys of last year, and I think boxing had 4 and MMA had 3 I think with boxing having the number 1 spot. That's only one piece of the puzzle as to which is bigger, but, they are pretty close in that sense.
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    Originally Posted by Black_Spit View Post
    Somebody may still have the link, but a few weeks ago there was an article detailing the top 10 PPV buys of last year, and I think boxing had 4 and MMA had 3 I think with boxing having the number 1 spot. That's only one piece of the puzzle as to which is bigger, but, they are pretty close in that sense.
    I know that MMA may be biting at Boxing's heels, but I know just a few weeks back the Alvarez/Hatton fight did 20 million views in Mexico alone. God knows the views that Pacquiao gets.

    Problem is, you can watch a whole UFC card and have 3-4 fights you want to see, whereas with boxing, theres 1 (maybe 2, if you're lucky) that you want to see.
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    Originally Posted by Black_Spit View Post
    Somebody may still have the link, but a few weeks ago there was an article detailing the top 10 PPV buys of last year, and I think boxing had 4 and MMA had 3 I think with boxing having the number 1 spot. That's only one piece of the puzzle as to which is bigger, but, they are pretty close in that sense.
    i remember the thread...and I think one of the reasons that boxing was/is number 1 and 2 on that list is because with MMA or at least the UFC having 1 ppv per month, people pick and choose which ones because not everyone can afford to pay 45 bucks every month for a ppv
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    Originally Posted by Ben6485 View Post
    i remember the thread...and I think one of the reasons that boxing was/is number 1 and 2 on that list is because with MMA or at least the UFC having 1 ppv per month, people pick and choose which ones because not everyone can afford to pay 45 bucks every month for a ppv
    Well, that's a good point. A lot of boxing fans may only spend $45-55 2-3 times a year total on boxing, where the UFC gets .5-1 million buys once and sometimes twice a month.
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    Boxing puts on 2-3 big ppvs a year.

    MMA puts on 12-14 a year.

    Enough said.
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    Originally Posted by mmondo13 View Post
    Boxing puts on 2-3 big ppvs a year.

    MMA puts on 12-14 a year.

    Enough said.
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    Originally Posted by Clark_Kent View Post
    If it were only that easy.
    I think it is.
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    Originally Posted by mmondo13 View Post
    I think it is.
    How many of those 12-14 PPVs can you consider "big" cards?

    If you go by the members of this forum may one ever 18 months.
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    As much as we would like it to be it is not. Boxing is still more globally accepted and viewed.
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    Originally Posted by Black_Spit View Post
    Well, that's a good point. A lot of boxing fans may only spend $45-55 2-3 times a year total on boxing, where the UFC gets .5-1 million buys once and sometimes twice a month.
    Other than probably Shields-GSP it's been a good while since the UFC has had any shows in the neighborhood of 1 mil.
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    Depends what you mean by bigger. In the US MMA has a case, globally, its boxing hands down. We have Klitschko filling up 70k arena's in Germany for example.

    In the US I think MMA is more "popular", it has better marketing. The top 10 ppv buys is a bit deceiving. The 2 biggest stars are in boxing, Mayweather and Pacquiao, I can guarantee that all those that entered top 10 involved their names. Outside of Pac and May, I dont think any boxing match has even done over 300k ppv buys yet so far this year whereas MMA routinely produces 500-1mil ppv buys.

    You can say that well, that means boxing is on its way out then...once their gone as their on the way out, no more superstars for boxing. Not entirely true, boxing always tends to have 1 or 2 big superstars at a time. Whether it be Ali, followed by SRL, then Tyson, then ODLH and now May/Pac. Either May/Pac will pass the torch to someone else for the media to hype, or someone new guy with the right attributes will come along, the media starts the hype machine and a new superstar is born.

    Both have a place, MMA has got a good ball rolling and in the future I think if people were to choose a sport to follow, they would go with MMA. Boxing has history, therefore it will always be around to get people interested in it.
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    Originally Posted by RoccoTanno123 View Post
    Other than probably Shields-GSP it's been a good while since the UFC has had any shows in the neighborhood of 1 mil.
    looking at 2010 and newer in the US...


    stats I see showed gsp-shields at 850k

    ufc 126 did 750
    124 did 785
    121 did 1.05 mil
    116 did 1.16 mil

    GSP, Silva and Brock all draw near or over a mil....for boxing I think it's down to mayweather and pacquiao

    pac-clottey did 700k
    mayweather-mosley did 1.4
    pac-margarito did 1.15
    even hatton-pac in 09 only did 850


    boxing is still ahead, but UFC is fast closing the gap...and once pac or may lose, and once they start to finish their careers, there's no more mega global stars ATM
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    PPV is just one stream of revenue for Zuffa. They are a huge business worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I don't think Top Rank or anybody else can compare to that.
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    Originally Posted by 30/7/66 View Post
    Also someone is saying that a boxer is more conditioned than an MMA fighter despite him admitting he has never watched MMA! Ignorance at its finest!
    He's definitely going to win that battle. Arce and Velasquez were still going a mile a minute in the 12th. Even guys like Guida and Edgar get gassed in a matter of three to five with just a bit of abuse.

    The argument will be that MMA is harder on you since you have to grapple as well as strike, but I'm going to have to say boxers are much better conditioned on a regular basis.
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    Originally Posted by BPP View Post
    looking at 2010 and newer in the US...


    stats I see showed gsp-shields at 850k

    ufc 126 did 750
    124 did 785
    121 did 1.05 mil
    116 did 1.16 mil

    GSP, Silva and Brock all draw near or over a mil....for boxing I think it's down to mayweather and pacquiao

    pac-clottey did 700k
    mayweather-mosley did 1.4
    pac-margarito did 1.15
    even hatton-pac in 09 only did 850


    boxing is still ahead, but UFC is fast closing the gap...and once pac or may lose, and once they start to finish their careers, there's no more mega global stars ATM
    I agree, but it's worth noting ufc 121 & 116 were Lesnar headliners. 124 was GSP vs. Koscheck. 126 is the exception to the star rule, since it was headlined by the Spider who typically has not been a massive draw. On the other hand, Forrest was in the co-main event and he's a pretty dependable and solid draw.

    Mayweather-Pacman is still the biggest potential PPV event. It would probably come close to 2 mil buys, just off that one fight. I don't see the UFC being able to match that, although if they booked tons of superfights they might be able to repeat UFC 100's 1.5 million buys. UFCs are helped because people usually buy them for the whole card, not just 1 fight. Now, you could look at that as a negative, but on the other hand I think it speaks better to the depth of interest in the sport.
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    i wonder how long it will be before someone makes an MMA movie
    There have been a couple...
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    Originally Posted by Black_Spit View Post
    There have been a couple...
    lol srsly? like besides street fighter and Jean Claude Van Damm movies?
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    lol srsly? like besides street fighter and Jean Claude Van Damm movies?
    unfortunately...

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    redbelt actually wasn't too bad.

    If MMA even gets 1/2 as many good movies as boxing has had, I'll be happy.
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    Originally Posted by RoccoTanno123 View Post
    unfortunately...

    fighting
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    never surrender

    redbelt actually wasn't too bad.

    If MMA even gets 1/2 as many good movies as boxing has had, I'll be happy.
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    Originally Posted by RoccoTanno123 View Post
    unfortunately...

    fighting
    never back down
    never surrender

    redbelt actually wasn't too bad.

    If MMA even gets 1/2 as many good movies as boxing has had, I'll be happy.
    Hmm I liked redbelt :P
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    lol srsly? like besides street fighter and Jean Claude Van Damm movies?
    Strong unaware bro. There's been a bunch already made lol.
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    I'm a massive MMA fan but I dont think it will ever have the heart that boxing has/had and no MMA fight can compare to a big boxing match.
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    I feel like most people I encounter day-to-day can name more MMA fighters than boxers. That said, I don't hang around with that many non-Americans.
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    That is not a question that can be answered easily.

    Boxing is few huge stars, different orgs, global broadcasts (some PPV, some free) and a bigger fanbase

    MMA has more "not so huge" stars, basically one org, no global broadcasts, and a fanbase of 15-35 males mostly.

    At least in Mexico, EVERYBODY knows who Pacquiao, De la Hoya, and Mayweather are, because all big boxing events are broadcast free on national networks (non-cable), and sports shows and news shows always talk about them.

    MMA is limited to people that specifically look for it, some cards are broadcast free on TDN or Televisa but the press doesn't give it any attention at all. Pretty much only my friends or people near my age know who Brock Lesnar or Chuck Lidell are
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    Originally Posted by 30/7/66 View Post
    In terms of $$$

    Im having an argument at work and I'm saying that MMA has taken over boxing. I want to back this up with some numbers!!

    Also someone is saying that a boxer is more conditioned than an MMA fighter despite him admitting he has never watched MMA! Ignorance at its finest!
    MMA is still slightly behind globally/moneywise. I think mainly because gambling/organized crime is still backing boxing moreso then MMA. Eventually it'll take over though.



    As for boxers being conditioned better thats BS, and anyone who says so has never wrestled/grappled. Boxers may have more rounds, but at the same time they aren't exhausting all of their strength during those rounds.


    I've always found striking to be very easy on the muscles endurance wise. Cardio is a factor, but thats a lot easier to build then strength and muscular endurance.
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    Originally Posted by guest89 View Post
    MMA is still slightly behind globally/moneywise. I think mainly because gambling/organized crime is still backing boxing moreso then MMA. Eventually it'll take over though.



    As for boxers being conditioned better thats BS, and anyone who says so has never wrestled/grappled. Boxers may have more rounds, but at the same time they aren't exhausting all of their strength during those rounds.
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