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    Eating More Protein, Eating less calories, not losing weight

    Hey guys,

    I started a high protein / low carb / low calorie diet a week ago. It consists of about 200g Protein, 30g carbs and 1400 calories. I haven't lost any weight but I do see a lot more definition, especially around my core. Any guesses as to why I'm not losing any weight but getting more defined?

    -I'm not lifting any heavier, but I am running a lot more (HIIT)
    -I'm pretty sure my intake before was no where near 1400 calories
    -Could me eating a 1.25:1 grams of protein: lean body mass ratio keep me from losing weight?

    I'm not really worried, just curious. Thanks
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    Originally Posted by alexs0fly View Post
    Hey guys,

    I started a high protein / low carb / low calorie diet a week ago. It consists of about 200g Protein, 30g carbs and 1400 calories. I haven't lost any weight but I do see a lot more definition, especially around my core. Any guesses as to why I'm not losing any weight but getting more defined?

    -I'm not lifting any heavier, but I am running a lot more (HIIT)
    -I'm pretty sure my intake before was no where near 1400 calories
    -Could me eating a 1.25:1 grams of protein: lean body mass ratio keep me from losing weight?

    I'm not really worried, just curious. Thanks
    gaining muscle possibly? did you just start lifting? are you that eager to lose fat?

    that much protein is not necessary. should be 1g per LBW. carbs is fine, and you should be intaking fat
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    Originally Posted by rob2093124 View Post
    gaining muscle possibly? did you just start lifting? are you that eager to lose fat?

    that much protein is not necessary. should be 1g per LBW. carbs is fine, and you should be intaking fat
    i'm about same stats and am eating about 155g fat and 165g protein.
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    1400 kcal at 5'10" 180lbs plus additional physical activity is starvation. If you don't increase your daily calorie intake, you may not like the consequences.
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    Originally Posted by rob2093124 View Post
    gaining muscle possibly? did you just start lifting? are you that eager to lose fat?

    that much protein is not necessary. should be 1g per LBW. carbs is fine, and you should be intaking fat
    Nope, I've been lifting for a while now.
    Losing fat is one of my goals, yes.
    I want to gain a little of muscle but still get more lean. So yeah, might be gaining muscle.
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    Originally Posted by Discov3ry View Post
    1400 kcal at 5'10" 180lbs plus additional physical activity is starvation. If you don't increase your daily calorie intake, you may not like the consequences.
    What kind of consequences are we talking? I'm 6'0 185lbs now if that makes a difference.
    The first couple of days were pretty hard but I'm getting used to it. I plan on trying this out for about 3 more weeks.
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    Originally Posted by alexs0fly View Post
    What kind of consequences are we talking? I'm 6'0 185lbs now if that makes a difference.
    The first couple of days were pretty hard but I'm getting used to it. I plan on trying this out for about 3 more weeks.
    I'm 5'11" at 183 currently and I need ~2300 kcal a day at maintenance. Fasting and working out at 1600 kcal a day may be ok in the short run but eventually your body will need all the building and energy material from somewhere if it's not getting it from the food, so it will turn on itself.
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    Originally Posted by Discov3ry View Post
    I'm 5'11" at 183 currently and I need ~2300 kcal a day at maintenance. Fasting and working out at 1600 kcal a day may be ok in the short run but eventually your body will need all the building and energy material from somewhere if it's not getting it from the food, so it will turn on itself.
    I usually eat around 2000 also. I don't plan on doing this for more than 2 months max. But I also don't want to end up losing all of my new definition again. Any recommendations? And still looking for possible explanations to lack of weight loss unless its most likely due to muscle growth.

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    Originally Posted by alexs0fly View Post
    And still looking for possible explanations to lack of weight loss unless its most likely due to muscle growth.
    Originally Posted by alexs0fly View Post
    I started ... a week ago.


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    This is a keto diet. You said nothing about your fat intake (unless I missed it).

    2 things - your calories are way too low, as others have said. Up it and you may even lose more fat, and definitly preserve more muscle.

    Also, make sure your ratios are 65/30/5. Too much protein on this diet isnt going to contribute to fat loss. The fat intake will

    You are not doing keto currently, you're doing low carb and high protein as you said. You need to incorporate fats as the majority of your diet to really reap the benefits of the keto diet. 200g of protein on a 1400 calorie diet is way too high.

    Not to sound arrogant, but why are you asking this on the keto boards when you are not even doing a keto diet?
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    i'm gonna agree with what everyone else is saying and say it could be your calories. they're too low. also, what about fats? (if any). you could easily fit those and up your cals
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    Sigh,

    • Eating more deoesn't mean more weight/fat loss.
    • Starvartion Mode = mostly BS. It really doesn't work like people want to describe it.
    • "200g Protein, 30g carbs and 1400 calories" is keto, regardless of fat intake. Although the most proper description would be a PSMF given the macro counts.
    • At 180 lbs and 1400 kcals a day, 200g protein is in no way too much.
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    Not doubting u atavis but explain that to me.

    To my understanding keto is a high fat moderate protein low carb diet. It seems like op is more on a atkins diet than anything.

    Also I thought fat intake made sure that protein was sparred where possible, no?
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    Originally Posted by Sinaku5 View Post
    Not doubting u atavis but explain that to me.

    To my understanding keto is a high fat moderate protein low carb diet. It seems like op is more on a atkins diet than anything.

    Also I thought fat intake made sure that protein was sparred where possible, no?
    That's exactly it Sinaku5, When you eat low carb, low fat, your body has nothing else to burn but protein, so instead of building and maintaining muscle with the protein, the body burns it for energy.
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    Originally Posted by Sinaku5 View Post
    Not doubting u atavis but explain that to me.

    To my understanding keto is a high fat moderate protein low carb diet. It seems like op is more on a atkins diet than anything.

    Also I thought fat intake made sure that protein was sparred where possible, no?
    Keto = any diet that results in ketosis. The requirement for this to occur is low carb intake. His diet is most like a PSMF with the high protein and low fat/carbs. PSMF's are designed to produce high fat loss along with high weight loss while preserving lean mass. This is done by providing high proteins; the best macronutrient to preserve lean mass is protein. In this case, dietary protein is sacrificed to keep LBM.

    Fat is an energy source. Low fat keto diets leave you feeling like a warmed over turd, but they work well at cutting off adipose tissue and weight.
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    Ok thanks guys I see.

    So it doesn't give u the energy that 65/30/5 gives u but its better at burning fat?

    Also it just seems less beneficial to use protein as fuel because it seems that it should be used to repair muscles, or is that not necessarily right?
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    Originally Posted by Atavis View Post
    Keto = any diet that results in ketosis. The requirement for this to occur is low carb intake. His diet is most like a PSMF with the high protein and low fat/carbs. PSMF's are designed to produce high fat loss along with high weight loss while preserving lean mass. This is done by providing high proteins; the best macronutrient to preserve lean mass is protein. In this case, dietary protein is sacrificed to keep LBM.

    Fat is an energy source. Low fat keto diets leave you feeling like a warmed over turd, but they work well at cutting off adipose tissue and weight.
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    Originally Posted by Sinaku5 View Post
    This is a keto diet. You said nothing about your fat intake (unless I missed it).

    2 things - your calories are way too low, as others have said. Up it and you may even lose more fat, and definitly preserve more muscle.

    Also, make sure your ratios are 65/30/5. Too much protein on this diet isnt going to contribute to fat loss. The fat intake will

    You are not doing keto currently, you're doing low carb and high protein as you said. You need to incorporate fats as the majority of your diet to really reap the benefits of the keto diet. 200g of protein on a 1400 calorie diet is way too high.

    Not to sound arrogant, but why are you asking this on the keto boards when you are not even doing a keto diet?
    No offense taken. I didn't think this was a keto diet but I felt these boards were the most appropriate for the type of diet I'm doing.

    I'm not truly watching my fat intake. Just trying to keep it low. Didn't plan on following a ketosis diet necessarily. Just wanted to eat more protein and eat less carbs in hopes of losing weight and maintaining / slightly building muscle. But what you said about fat being a source of energy also makes sense.

    Also, would you mind explaining to me how "Up it and you may even lose more fat, and definitly preserve more muscle," works. Much appreciated



    Originally Posted by Atavis View Post
    Keto = any diet that results in ketosis. The requirement for this to occur is low carb intake. His diet is most like a PSMF with the high protein and low fat/carbs. PSMF's are designed to produce high fat loss along with high weight loss while preserving lean mass. This is done by providing high proteins; the best macronutrient to preserve lean mass is protein. In this case, dietary protein is sacrificed to keep LBM.

    Fat is an energy source. Low fat keto diets leave you feeling like a warmed over turd, but they work well at cutting off adipose tissue and weight.
    Great information. Going to look deeper into PSMF. Thank you
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    Alex talking from personal experience when I was more than 500 below my maintnance level I lost weight only to a point then came to a stiff plateau. Upped my calories and there the fat went. I dunno how it works but look thru the boards and ull see testimonials of this.

    Also it never hurts to try something different. If high fat moderate protein and low carb is an option for you give it a shot. It can't hurt right?
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    Originally Posted by Sinaku5 View Post
    Alex talking from personal experience when I was more than 500 below my maintnance level I lost weight only to a point then came to a stiff plateau. Upped my calories and there the fat went. I dunno how it works but look thru the boards and ull see testimonials of this.

    Also it never hurts to try something different. If high fat moderate protein and low carb is an option for you give it a shot. It can't hurt right?
    probably has something to do with varying levels of insulin sensitivity and resistance.


    when you cut your calories too low, your body increases its insulin sensitivity (typically). therefore, your body may be storing more glucose as glycogen in the muscles and store glucose as triglycerides in your adipose tissue (fat).
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    My mom actually made me watch about a diet very similar to this on TV. low, low carb, low fat, very high protein. the DR. Ducan diet i think. I still think more calories will be required if you plan on keeping that diet up for ay large time span though.

    and Atavis, ho does starvation mode not exist? when you eat drastically low amounts of calories, your resting metabolism slows. Yo-Yo dieters shoot their metabolism. Anorexics shoot their metabolism. people stranded do too. how does that not exist?
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    Originally Posted by Atavis View Post
    Keto = any diet that results in ketosis. The requirement for this to occur is low carb intake. His diet is most like a PSMF with the high protein and low fat/carbs. PSMF's are designed to produce high fat loss along with high weight loss while preserving lean mass. This is done by providing high proteins; the best macronutrient to preserve lean mass is protein. In this case, dietary protein is sacrificed to keep LBM.

    Fat is an energy source. Low fat keto diets leave you feeling like a warmed over turd, but they work well at cutting off adipose tissue and weight.
    How is this true? Wouldn't the body just break down excess the protein into glucose, by means of gluconeogenesis?

    I thought that was the entire point of high fat calories, and 1g of protein per pound of LBM, so protein was used from LBM, whereas fat was used for the maintenance of all other bodily functions.
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    Originally Posted by Atavis View Post
    Keto = any diet that results in ketosis. The requirement for this to occur is low carb intake. His diet is most like a PSMF with the high protein and low fat/carbs. PSMF's are designed to produce high fat loss along with high weight loss while preserving lean mass. This is done by providing high proteins; the best macronutrient to preserve lean mass is protein. In this case, dietary protein is sacrificed to keep LBM.

    Fat is an energy source. Low fat keto diets leave you feeling like a warmed over turd, but they work well at cutting off adipose tissue and weight.
    ohhh. ok. thanks for the correction Atavis
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    Try to aim for 100g of fat, doesnt matter if you up the calories by 300, you will see better progress and even quicker with the fat in the diet.
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    Have yet to look into the diet Avatis mentioned but it seems like I need more fat and more calories. I'm probably gonna try to get them from peanuts and almonds.
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    Originally Posted by alexs0fly View Post
    Have yet to look into the diet Avatis mentioned but it seems like I need more fat and more calories. I'm probably gonna try to get them from peanuts and almonds.
    What he's talking about is PSMF which I doubt you want to do. You'd be eating even fewer calories then you are now. On PSMF you're eating like 800 calories per day and it's basically all protein.
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    Originally Posted by atavis View Post

    yeah.
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    So then why go on keto diet over a high protein low carb/low fat diet ?

    Would both be as effective as long as u repect ur calorie intake ?

    Would ur workout suffer if u have no fat in the diet ?
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    Originally Posted by calutaxi View Post
    What he's talking about is PSMF which I doubt you want to do. You'd be eating even fewer calories then you are now. On PSMF you're eating like 800 calories per day and it's basically all protein.
    I am not suggesting he should do it. I am saying he is already, in effect, doing it with his current macro's and kcal intake.

    It's a miserable diet.
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