We discuss the conspiracy theory on 9/11.

[MssV187]

brb ignoring all the unanswered questions and calling people *******s/retards
brb ignoring facts that stuff couldn't have happened but yet they did


Everyone is running into a wall of ignorance..

I can name at least 10 events/things that noone can seem to answer without name-calling and other not supported bullshiit.

IF YOU WANNA REACT ON ONE OF THE 10 POINTS NAME THE POINT AND YOUR COUNTER ARGUMENT

On request (edit):

1) The WTC was build to withstand a plane crashing in.

2) The WTC couldn't have collapsed due to overheating of the metal because the temperature could have never reached that level of heat.

3) Explosions in the basement (reported by NYC firefighters on the ground) of the WTC.

4) The 2nd plane that hit the 2nd WTC tower had a big unidentified box on the belly.

5) WTC building 7 collapsed perfectly as well and fell straight down. Multiple experts said that this is impossible.

6) At least the collapsing of one of the towers of the WTC is determined to be impossible. Tower 2 fell exactly like WTC 7

7) Mossad agents filming ''the event''.

8) Government officials didn't want anyone close to the wreckages for the first few days/weeks.

9) The Pentagon is world's most guarded and surveillanced building in the world yet every camera tape has been seized by the FBI and none were released.

10) A plane hitting the Pentagon? Where? The part that got hit by the so called plane collapsed 45 minutes AFTER the ''plane'' hit the Pentagon.



I don't uses sources such as youtube since a lot of ignorant people don't feel youtube is a valid source

EDIT: NEG ME ALL YOU WANT THIS IS A DISCUSSION THREAD YOU IGNORANT FOOLS.

People on this forum make me sick and make me hate the USA more then Osama Bin Laden.

[rsnnh12]

I sure am glad you listed those 10 things so people could clear them up for you


Oh wait

[bluebeltATT]

see what i dont understand is how do the truhers/non CT'ers spew the same crap that the government tells the public over and over again. I mean there is no denying scientific proof, yet when we provide solid scientific evidence we are called " ******* " or " wackjob " ...c'mon man, really??


I would at least keep an open mind at the possibility , maybe if i didnt wanna believe our government is capable of such a heinous crime , you have to look at all of the evidence from a neutral pov.

[rsnnh12]

see what i dont understand is how do the truhers/non CT'ers spew the same crap that the government tells the public over and over again. I mean there is no denying scientific proof, yet when we provide solid scientific evidence we are called " ******* " or " wackjob " ...c'mon man, really??


I would at least keep an open mind at the possibility , maybe if i didnt wanna believe our government is capable of such a heinous crime , you have to look at all of the evidence from a neutral party.

That's the thing though... there ISN'T any solid scientific evidence.

I am completely open to the idea that our govt shot down the plane over PA and a few other things like that, but there is zero evidence/logic behind a controlled demo of the towers/WTC7, a missile hitting the Pentagon, etc.

[MssV187]

see what i dont understand is how do the truhers/non CT'ers spew the same crap that the government tells the public over and over again. I mean there is no denying scientific proof, yet when we provide solid scientific evidence we are called " ******* " or " wackjob " ...c'mon man, really??


I would at least keep an open mind at the possibility , maybe if i didnt wanna believe our government is capable of such a heinous crime , you have to look at all of the evidence from a neutral pov.

Exactly keep an open mind about things and look at the facts/questions given to you and form an opinion. Not just one side of the story.

[yeshomo]

in b4 over-patriotic amurrriikkkanns

[djm_]

i think IF and thats a big if , our gov. had anything to do with it (which i personally dont thik they did), it would have to be a very very select few people who know. Its not like our entire gov. and military knew this was planned, like i stated above i dont believe this was done from the inside yet, even if it was, it would only be a handfull of people who know and pretty much that means all we have is the reports and what were being told, well never find out anything else. So all we have left is just speculation and theory's which leaves us all still at square 1. Its horrible how many innocent people died that day and weather you believe it was bin laden , or bush , it was still a terrorist attack , not on our gov. but on the country itself.

[bluebeltATT]

Exactly keep an open mind about things and look at the facts/questions given to you and form an opinion. Not just one side of the story.

believe me i used to be so naive to think our US government would never or could never do anything like that to it's people.


But sh*t like WTC7 that only had debris fall on it and it fell the way it did?


c'mon man !


No building has ever fallen due to fire ( remember WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane ) in the history of the world.

Even building closer to the twin towers didnt fall, they got mangled , destroyed, but never collapsed .


And to people who are saying " well too many people were involved, someone surely would have said something "

Hey , aren't these people going on tv shows and saying what they know or eveidence they have? It's not like ABC, CBS or NBC would even allow any kinds of these opinions to air.

SO anyone who doesn't believe the official story our government gave us is a nutjob or a wackjob or a CT..

[rsnnh12]

brb ignoring all the unanswered questions and calling people *******s/retards
brb ignoring facts that stuff couldn't have happened but yet they did


Everyone is running into a wall of ignorance..

I can name at least 10 events/things that noone can seem to answer without name-calling and other not supported bullshiit.

IF YOU WANNA REACT ON ONE OF THE 10 POINTS NAME THE POINT AND YOUR COUNTER ARGUMENT

On request (edit):

1) The WTC was build to withstand a plane crashing in.

2) The WTC couldn't have collapsed due to overheating of the metal because the temperature could have never reached that level of heat.

3) Explosions in the basement (reported by NYC firefighters on the ground) of the WTF.

4) The 2nd plane that hit the 2nd WTC tower had a big unidentified box on the belly.

5) WTC building 7 collapsed perfectly as well and fell straight down. Multiple experts said that this is impossible.

6) At least the collapsing of one of the towers of the WTC is determined to be impossible.

7) Mossad agents filming ''the event''.

8) Government officials didn't want anyone close to the wreckages for the first few days/weeks.

9) The Pentagon is world's most guarded and surveillanced building in the world yet every camera tape has been seized by the FBI and none were released.

10) A plane hitting the Pentagon? Where? The part that got hit by the so called plane collapsed 45 minutes AFTER the ''plane'' hit the Pentagon.

I don't uses sources such as youtube since a lot of ignorant people

1) It was designed to withstand a 707 going 100 mph, not a 757 going 500 mph. That is a HUGE difference in speed

2) The metal definitely could be weakened at the temps reached, HIGHLY unlikely it could be melted. All it needed to do was to be weakened to the point where the load above was too heavy.

3) The buildings had fuel tanks in the basements. Could have been those. Not 100% sure what the explosions were, will look into it

4) Haven't seen this... have any pics?

5) WTC7 didn't collapse perfectly. One side was severely damaged from the towers collapsing. That part fell first, the rest followed. The building was also horribly designed, it didn't stand a chance.

6) Explain?

7) Just heard about this today. Initial thought- no way in hell would a Mossad agent do something as stupid as celebrating in the middle of the street after impact. Admittedly don't know much about this, sounds interesting

8) No clue... safety issue? Idk

9) idunnolol

10) The Pentagon is designed to survive a missile attack, at least temporarily, so its not surprising it didn't immediately collapse after the plane hit. Tons of plane wreckage found in and around Pentagon


There ya go. Trying to keep this civil

[Blasphemy]

its not worth it anymore.

you have believers and non believers, end of story.

its like bloods n crips hoes.

[Ravishing_Rick]

"4) The 2nd plane that hit the 2nd WTC tower had a big unidentified box on the belly."
pics?

[YaBoySituation]

in after demoltions expert.

so glad that we have so many demolitions experts in this country. It really seems to be a strong suit in this country and particularly in these kinds of threads on bb.com. Maybe we should start a misc demolitions crew so we can put this vast wealth of knowledge to use. We could buy that misc island that everyone was talking about.

[Ryceryder85]

to simply put it...we do not know who was behind 9/11, however we would be ignorant to dismiss the possibility of false flag terrorism (inside job). Just look at operation northwoods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[Hardworker123]

3) Explosions in the basement (reported by NYC firefighters on the ground) of the WTF.

Proof of this anywhere? Like NYFD's testimony or??

4) The 2nd plane that hit the 2nd WTC tower had a big unidentified box on the belly.

Pics or it didn't happen.

7) Mossad agents filming ''the event''.

Where are the vids?

10) A plane hitting the Pentagon? Where? The part that got hit by the so called plane collapsed 45 minutes AFTER the ''plane'' hit the Pentagon.

This is fishy I agree, the hole doesn't look like a plane hit unless the wings snapped off right on first impact.

And also I saw somewhere that in order for this to be an organized hit by our government and in fact a set up there would have to have been like over 5,000 people to know about it to make sure it went as planned. And not one of them said a word...?

[wildphucker]

Those points are all invalid because YOURE A TINFOIL HAT RETARD!!!!!!



there, easy as that. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[Ravishing_Rick]

2) The metal definitely could be weakened at the temps reached, HIGHLY unlikely it could be melted. All it needed to do was to be weakened to the point where the load above was too heavy.

looks like lava brah

[Ryceryder85]

Those points are all invalid because YOURE A TINFOIL HAT RETARD!!!!!!



there, easy as that. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

its easier to call someone "a tinfoil hat retard" rather than investigate and do your own research. sheep like this do not know how to find answers because they do not even know what questions to ask.


I'm not saying it is an inside job. But im not saying the govt is telling the truth either. I just want the govt to release the tapes and the truth to come out. once the truth comes out...the real question is...what do we do now?

[rsnnh12]

looks like lava brah

That's not steel though... OP was talking about steel weakening where the planes hit.

Its definitely not thermite (like the pic says) either, because IF thermite was used (which it wasn't), it would have been on the inside support beams, not the outer "shell" of the building.

[nikonD70s]

looks like lava brah

that looks like thermite(sp?) eating away steele.

[bbwinner]

Don't forget to mention the twin towers was actually created and designed by the ###uminati and to destroy them in the future was in the plan.

OP, your 10 points are correct.

[nikonD70s]

"4) The 2nd plane that hit the 2nd WTC tower had a big unidentified box on the belly."
pics?

i have seen a video of that actually. i just cant find it. but it shows something underneath the plane. ill try to dig up the vid

[Ryceryder85]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

on Sept 10, 2001 there was an announcement that the pentagon misplaced/lost $2.3 trillion dollars. How convenient is it that the "plane" or "missile" and/or "bomb" hit that exact building in the pentagon with those records?

[niceee]

Dunno how to imbed (meager reps for someone aware'ing me), firefighters saying what they saw, sheds a bit of light on the lower floor explosions (amongst other things). Youtube has a fair few of these but in a rush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zyjY05wzao

[YaBoySituation]

its easier to call someone "a tinfoil hat retard" rather than investigate and do your own research. sheep like this do not know how to find answers because they do not even know what questions to ask.


I'm not saying it is an inside job. But im not saying the govt is telling the truth either. I just want the govt to release the tapes and the truth to come out. once the truth comes out...the real question is...what do we do now?

Its better to be a sheep than to form illogical conclusions from video tapes about things you have no idea about. To a normal person there are no questions. Planes hit the buildings. Terrorists did it and have taken credit for it. Experts agree. End of story.

I always lol when the CTs say how a building should fall or how the hole in a building should look from an airplane hitting it. Now thats true ignorance.

Show me your degrees in relevant fields and experience in studying those subjects or get your face laughed in.

[MssV187]

1) It was designed to withstand a 707 going 100 mph, not a 757 going 500 mph. That is a HUGE difference in speed

2) The metal definitely could be weakened at the temps reached, HIGHLY unlikely it could be melted. All it needed to do was to be weakened to the point where the load above was too heavy.

3) The buildings had fuel tanks in the basements. Could have been those. Not 100% sure what the explosions were, will look into it

4) Haven't seen this... have any pics?

5) WTC7 didn't collapse perfectly. One side was severely damaged from the towers collapsing. That part fell first, the rest followed. The building was also horribly designed, it didn't stand a chance.

6) Explain?

7) Just heard about this today. Initial thought- no way in hell would a Mossad agent do something as stupid as celebrating in the middle of the street after impact. Admittedly don't know much about this, sounds interesting

8) No clue... safety issue? Idk

9) idunnolol

10) The Pentagon is designed to survive a missile attack, at least temporarily, so its not surprising it didn't immediately collapse after the plane hit. Tons of plane wreckage found in and around Pentagon


There ya go. Trying to keep this civil

1 & 2) Look at engineering reports on youtube of the WTC

3) Look into it

4)

5) WTC 7 fell straight down, check youtube video. News stations reported the collapse of building 7 BEFORE it even collapsed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

6) Tower 2 fell exactly like WTC 7

7) Check the interview on Israeli tv

8) I dont know either but its strange.

9) Probably because you can't see any airplane going into the Pentagon only reason I could think of. If you could see an airplane flying in they would have released it the same day, but they didn't....

10) Look at a overview picture of the Pentagon when it got hit. How could a plane fit in there?

[YaBoySituation]

Dunno how to imbed (meager reps for someone aware'ing me), firefighters saying what they saw, sheds a bit of light on the lower floor explosions (amongst other things). Youtube has a fair few of these but in a rush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zyjY05wzao

Its very possible to have explosions or things that sound like explosions in a burning sky scraper.

Do you think stuff like cement and burning office supplies falling down elevator shafts would make any noise? Do you think any of the gas lines caused any explosions? Do you think maybe the compressor on an air conditioner would explode in a fire? Do you think at all?

[nikonD70s]

not sure why my threaad was close but....

one other important thing people should think about is...

those people believing the official story saying the building steele melted and it cause the building to fall. but how the fcuk does the building starts collapsing from the top down? isnt it common sense it would start collapsing from the botom first since all the weight is on the bottom thus the bottom should start crumbling?

[rsnnh12]

1 & 2) Look at engineering reports on youtube of the WTC

3) Look into it

4)

5) WTC 7 fell straight down, check youtube video. News stations reported the collapse of building 7 BEFORE it even collapsed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

6) Tower 2 fell exactly like WTC 7

7) Check the interview on Israeli tv

8) I dont know either but its strange.

9) Probably because you can't see any airplane going into the Pentagon only reason I could think of. If you could see an airplane flying in they would have released it the same day, but they didn't....

10) Look at a overview picture of the Pentagon when it got hit. How could a plane fit in there?

1&2) Seen those vids, they don't prove anything. Its just conjecture/false claims/catchy music. Have any written stuff instead? Most of the Youtube stuff is crap.

4) Meh. Doesn't look suspicious. Just looks like a shadow to me. And eyewitness accounts of tragedies are the least reliable evidence out there, so I am taking the "no windows" comments with a grain of salt.

5) It didn't fall straight down. The building had essentially split, 1 side fell slightly before the other. It was just a horribly built building. And the news reporting it fell means nothing. Saying it means something means that the newspeople were given a script of what would happen. Doesn't it make more sense to just let them report on the building falling when it fell? Why tell them? It was just a miscommunication on the most hectic day in US history... fairly plausible.

6) Both towers fell exactly as they "should" have. There is no other way for them to have fallen, unless the laws of physics and gravity were changed. Was the top supposed to just tip over? That's impossible in this situation, because the center of gravity would have needed to change, which it didn't.

10) The wings got pretty fukked up on impact... wings are far from durable.
"When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings. Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen.""

[pillzbrah]

not sure why my threaad was close but....

one other important thing people should think about is...

those people believing the official story saying the building steele melted and it cause the building to fall. but how the fcuk does the building starts collapsing from the top down? isnt it common sense it would start collapsing from the botom first since all the weight is on the bottom thus the bottom should start crumbling?

There was no fire at the bottom of the building. The weakest point was where the planes hit. The original impact would have weakened it significantly, and the subsequent fire only made that part of the building weaker. When 1/4 of a 400m begins to fall, it is certainly plausible that the rest of the building wont be able to hold it.

[DCocK]

ITT: OP admits to being a *******