i was just searching some threads about the pec deck and it seems like people have a negative opinion about it. yet i can feel my pecs being worked the most with this thing. what do?
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Thread: opinion on pec deck
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04-27-2011, 11:05 PM #1
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04-28-2011, 09:24 AM #8
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04-28-2011, 10:36 AM #9
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04-28-2011, 10:40 AM #10
SOMETIMES pec deck causes shoulder problems, SOMETIMES it doesnt. some people on this site dont seem to realize their body isnt everyone elses body and make sweeping generalizations about exercises and their dangers. I personally get shoulder pain from pec deck/machine flys, but i know many that dont.
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04-28-2011, 10:43 AM #11
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04-28-2011, 10:55 AM #12
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04-28-2011, 11:49 AM #13
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I've always enjoyed the machine. I don't use it as often as before because it aggravates my shoulders occasionally; however, I find it an effective piece of equipment.
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04-28-2011, 11:53 AM #14
probably because a lot of people here are insecure and act like only benching, squatting and deadlifting are appropriate exercises. nothing else is "hardcoar" enough.
in the real world, most people use a mix of compound and isos to achieve their goals.
continue to trust what feels right for you and ignore anything else.Who was this love of yours?
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04-28-2011, 11:55 AM #15
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04-28-2011, 12:00 PM #16
Pec dec is good. But the majority of them place your arm in its weakest position (abducted, externally rotated), which is the position of dislocation. I would either use the kinds that allow you to mimic the positioning of a dumbbell/cable fly (or just use the cables instead (you could also "hold" the pads of the machine with your hand rather than resting the forearm on them, too, actually...that's what I do.).
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04-28-2011, 01:37 PM #17
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04-28-2011, 01:39 PM #18
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04-28-2011, 04:25 PM #19
I wish I could find that clip from Sky Girls where Mio Sakamoto is using a pec deck. It's great.
This confuses me, aren't strong/weak positions subjective? Like for what purpose?
I don't understand glenohumeral anatomy too well, how does lateral rotation and abduction dislocate? I thought if our rotor cuff was strong the head would stay depressed in the fossa?
Dumbbell and cable don't have fixed form though, you can externally rotate with them just like in a pec deck.
I think what we're ignoring here is apparently the lateral rotation of the shoulder takes the anterior deltoid out of play and the pec might be in a better adductor position?
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04-28-2011, 04:32 PM #20
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Originally Posted by SwiftyX;672022741 PART ONE
best post of this thread: why?
because it recognizes an important fact with ALL machines: they are NOT created equally!
and doing exercises on them if they are NOT harmonious with your individual body construction, will result in injuries...
THAT is why you hear negative stories on pec decks.
Originally Posted by Swifty PART TWO
as to this gem: go one step further: not only hold the pads with your hands, but DON'T EVEN SIT DOWN! rather: FACE the machine, while standing....that really burns the pecs!Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
while in complete control of the exercise.
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04-28-2011, 04:40 PM #21
yes, defly rotating upper arm inwards makes it safer for many ppl who would otherwise have problems. the versions with the handle bars as opposed to pads would suit these ppl best.
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04-28-2011, 04:45 PM #22
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04-29-2011, 04:46 AM #23
I recently started using it as my first excersise on chest day. During bench - incline my tris - shoulders would give out first , and i was always left with the impression that i didn't work my chest as much as i should-could. Using pec deck as a first excersise i can prefatigue my chest and even though i will lift lighter weights after it , i feel it working in each and every rep after.
Not my idea about pre exhausting chest ofcourse , i just read it somewhere and saw it working for me .
edit: yes , i know i probably did not target my chest due to bad form , i'm working on it.***MISC Strength Crew***
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04-29-2011, 06:28 AM #24
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