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    How much proof do you need to prove God is real?

    How much evidence do you need?
    Jesus Christ is Lord whether you accept Him or not.
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    Any evidence would be sufficient.
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    Originally Posted by seven11 View Post
    Any evidence would be sufficient.
    have you studied the Big Bang?

    Or

    Biology?
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    I used to think this topic was pertinent, but it isn't. We've got about 350 other problems to solve before we have the luxury of debating theology.
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    Originally Posted by seven11 View Post
    Any evidence would be sufficient.
    The sun rises.

    Have you accepted God?
    Thus let me live, unseen, unknown;
    Thus unlamented let me die;
    Steal from the world, and not a stone
    Tell where I lie.

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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    How much evidence do you need?
    There is no reason to believe that existence of divine origin and existence of natural origin must be demonstrably different.

    Given this, it is not even possible to propose science that could answer the question, let alone actually perform the experiment.


    I am not even an atheist and I must concede that there will never be anything that constitutes proof.

    The convenient nature of the laws that govern everything is circumstantial at best and about as good as it gets.
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    I'm not a scientist but I heard our universe wouldn't function for life if the expansion of the universe was a fraction faster or slower.
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    Which god are you referring to? Because there are billions around the world who will make the argument for their god only.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    Let’s start with some

    Then work up
    have you never witness a miracle? If you are in need of a miracle I am accepting prayer request.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Which god are you referring to? Because there are billions around the world who will make the argument for their god only.
    So edgy. Age 50 better start finding out real fast which one is the right god
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    I'm not a scientist but I heard our universe wouldn't function for life if the expansion of the universe was a fraction faster or slower.
    It goes far FAR beyond that when it comes to the convenient nature of reality but that is not proof.

    What you are talking about is nothing more than an observation that over time we discover more and more science that is required from us to exist.

    This does not prove anything, it only suggest the potential of intention.
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Which god are you referring to? Because there are billions around the world who will make the argument for their god only.
    the creator of the universe
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    I know god is real because I’ve witness to much supernatural things in my life and even came across a psychic who knew things about I’ve never told anyone before
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    the creator of the universe
    That is far too small a definition.

    The origin of existence would be a far better definition.
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    So edgy. Age 50 better start finding out real fast which one is the right god
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    There is elegance in the laws of physics that defies a chaotic universe model. That's enough anecdotal evidence for me. I'm not worried about convincing others because for a great many of them, no amount of anecdotal evidence will ever be enough.

    For whatever reason, God wants us to decide for ourselves whether or not to believe and the question is beyond the scope of the scientific method anyway, so the point is moot.
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    I find it hard to believe that there was no creator to all of creation, the odds are so unreal, that the universe was created in away to sustain life.
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    Originally Posted by Rabbitjb View Post
    I believe in coincidence, science, the bizarre, luck even kharma

    But some benevolent, omnipresent, omnipotent dude in the sky allowing countless horrors but deemed miraculous cos Auntie Mabel’s recovered from pneumonia ...lol

    Just cos you can’t explain it doesn’t make it a miracle

    Religion is a soporific
    what level of coincidence would it take to convince you that there was someone pulling the strings?
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    I find it hard to believe that there was no creator to all of creation, the odds are so unreal, that the universe was created in away to sustain life.
    A lot of that might be due to an incomplete understanding of reality. Perhaps understanding every single aspect of reality reveals something that answers the question definitively.
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    I find it hard to believe that there was no creator to all of creation, the odds are so unreal, that the universe was created in away to sustain life.
    Yet some how you are able to ignore the odds of those events needing to happen to create an even greater being that created it all.
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    The sun rises.

    Have you accepted God?
    It doesn’t, actually.
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    Yet some how you are able to ignore the odds of those events needing to happen to create an even greater being that created it all.
    its easy to ignore God, so we don't have to obey his authority, I have made a commitment to turn away from my old ways, and to trust in God in all that I do.
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    I'm not a scientist but I heard our universe wouldn't function for life if the expansion of the universe was a fraction faster or slower.
    Image a concrete parking lot, now imagine a crack in said parking lot, now imagine a dandelion growing in said crack on said concrete parking lot. What's more likely, that the crack the dandelion is growing in was made specifically for that dandelion, or that the crack is simply the only place that dandelion could possibly grow within that parking lot? Also, you heard wrong, it's like people who say that if we were 1 mile closer to the sun we'd burn, but if we were 1 mile further we'd freeze, never mind that we travel hundreds of thousands of miles closer and farther to the sun every year.

    All I need is simple proof to believe god exists. Just like I won't believe that there's a new McDonald's down the street until I see it myself. What's proof, how about god just shows up, that'd be proof.

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    its easy to ignore God, so we don't have to obey his authority, I have made a commitment to turn away from my old ways, and to trust in God in all that I do.
    That is some of the dumbest shyt I have heard in a while. Why the hell would anyone try to ignore a god they know to be true, that's like saying you'll ignore a cop who pulls you over. Most people simply don't believe in god, even Christians, if they did, they would be less hypocritical.
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    I would be happy enough with a modern day prophet with historical biblical prophet powers... Assuming that prophet came in and cleared up some inconsistencies I could go for it.

    I find it entirely possible some advanced being/species may be responsible for my existence. I also find zero ability to differentiate likelihoods of different creation mythos. As such I just hold a static disbelief until such time sufficient evidence is presented to shift the probability in a specific deities existence.

    Stating "It is just so complex that I don't believe it could have happened on its own, but here is an all powerful being that always existed/developed on its own that did it" just doesn't fly.
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    Originally Posted by Godfrd824 View Post
    Image a concrete parking lot, now imagine a crack in said parking lot, now imagine a dandelion growing in said crack on said concrete parking lot. What's more likely, that the crack the dandelion is growing in was made specifically for that dandelion, or that the crack is simply the only place that dandelion could possibly grow within that parking lot? Also, you heard wrong, it's like people who say that if we were 1 mile closer to the sun we'd burn, but if we were 1 mile further we'd freeze, never mind that we travel hundreds of thousands of miles closer and farther to the sun every year.

    All I need is simple proof to believe god exists. Just like I won't believe that there's a new McDonald's down the street until I see it myself. What's proof, how about god just shows up, that'd be proof.
    would life be possible for that dandelion if we were a mile closer or farther from the sun?
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    its easy to ignore God, so we don't have to obey his authority, I have made a commitment to turn away from my old ways, and to trust in God in all that I do.
    So you ask questions of us, but don't ask those same questions of God?

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    would life be possible for that dandelion if we were a mile closer or farther from the sun?
    Yes... The orbit of the earth shifts constantly. Infact the earth is about 3 million miles closer to the sun in January than July...

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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    its easy to ignore God, so we don't have to obey his authority, I have made a commitment to turn away from my old ways, and to trust in God in all that I do.
    If there is a god the only authority are the laws of physics and no one gets to break them, its not even a choice.

    If you are talking about man made laws based on conflicting ancient stores mistranslated and changed to fit political agendas then you are talking about something else entirely and your personal feelings on the matter are far more determined by the place and date of your birth than any objective truth.
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