How much evidence do you need?
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07-05-2018, 01:40 PM #1
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There is no reason to believe that existence of divine origin and existence of natural origin must be demonstrably different.
Given this, it is not even possible to propose science that could answer the question, let alone actually perform the experiment.
I am not even an atheist and I must concede that there will never be anything that constitutes proof.
The convenient nature of the laws that govern everything is circumstantial at best and about as good as it gets.Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
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It goes far FAR beyond that when it comes to the convenient nature of reality but that is not proof.
What you are talking about is nothing more than an observation that over time we discover more and more science that is required from us to exist.
This does not prove anything, it only suggest the potential of intention.Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
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07-05-2018, 01:50 PM #12
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07-05-2018, 01:53 PM #16
There is elegance in the laws of physics that defies a chaotic universe model. That's enough anecdotal evidence for me. I'm not worried about convincing others because for a great many of them, no amount of anecdotal evidence will ever be enough.
For whatever reason, God wants us to decide for ourselves whether or not to believe and the question is beyond the scope of the scientific method anyway, so the point is moot."Buy a man eat fish, the day, teach man, to lifetime." - Joe Biden
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07-05-2018, 02:06 PM #22
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Image a concrete parking lot, now imagine a crack in said parking lot, now imagine a dandelion growing in said crack on said concrete parking lot. What's more likely, that the crack the dandelion is growing in was made specifically for that dandelion, or that the crack is simply the only place that dandelion could possibly grow within that parking lot? Also, you heard wrong, it's like people who say that if we were 1 mile closer to the sun we'd burn, but if we were 1 mile further we'd freeze, never mind that we travel hundreds of thousands of miles closer and farther to the sun every year.
All I need is simple proof to believe god exists. Just like I won't believe that there's a new McDonald's down the street until I see it myself. What's proof, how about god just shows up, that'd be proof.
That is some of the dumbest shyt I have heard in a while. Why the hell would anyone try to ignore a god they know to be true, that's like saying you'll ignore a cop who pulls you over. Most people simply don't believe in god, even Christians, if they did, they would be less hypocritical.When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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07-05-2018, 02:13 PM #26
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To answer...
I would be happy enough with a modern day prophet with historical biblical prophet powers... Assuming that prophet came in and cleared up some inconsistencies I could go for it.
I find it entirely possible some advanced being/species may be responsible for my existence. I also find zero ability to differentiate likelihoods of different creation mythos. As such I just hold a static disbelief until such time sufficient evidence is presented to shift the probability in a specific deities existence.
Stating "It is just so complex that I don't believe it could have happened on its own, but here is an all powerful being that always existed/developed on its own that did it" just doesn't fly.Finance Degree - USAF INTEL - IIFYM - Injured Crew - KTM XCW300 - Single Track Trail Rider - NRA Supporter - Shunned from MFC - Libertarian - Pragmatist
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07-05-2018, 02:16 PM #28
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So you ask questions of us, but don't ask those same questions of God?
Yes... The orbit of the earth shifts constantly. Infact the earth is about 3 million miles closer to the sun in January than July...
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07-05-2018, 02:18 PM #29
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07-05-2018, 02:18 PM #30
If there is a god the only authority are the laws of physics and no one gets to break them, its not even a choice.
If you are talking about man made laws based on conflicting ancient stores mistranslated and changed to fit political agendas then you are talking about something else entirely and your personal feelings on the matter are far more determined by the place and date of your birth than any objective truth.Eat in a deficit to lose weight.
Hit your protein and fat minimums to stay healthy and keep your gainz.
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