If some dude showed up out of nowhere and started performing miracles...

[Godfrd824]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

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He goes on about how you should love others and help them when in need, he doesn't say anything about worshiping or going to church.

[Harbinger]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

It's the devil.

[DorteeClan]

Need more input!

[Lord_Lemon]

anti christ will perform miracles with the devils power

[johnsch8]

anti christ will perform miracles with the devils power

^This

[Harbinger]

anti christ will perform miracles with the devils power

Walk on water heal the blind raise the dead turn water into wine. Stuff like that.

[ppself]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

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He goes on about how you should love others and help them when in need, he doesn't say anything about worshiping or going to church.

I don't think the anti-Christ will say the bible is BS. He's the anti-Christ, not anti-bible.

[johnsch8]

Walk on water heal the blind raise the dead turn water into wine. Stuff like that.

IMO I'd say yes. Even making fire come down from Heaven to earth in the sight of men. (Revelation 13:13). Revelation 13 also speaks of great miracles and great wonders performed by the anti-christ to "deceive them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast" (Revelation 13:14). I'd say raising the dead, walking on water, and turning water into wine would be a miracle/great wonder...

[Godfrd824]

IMO I'd say yes. Even making fire come down from Heaven to earth in the sight of men. (Revelation 13:13). Revelation 13 also speaks of great miracles and great wonders performed by the anti-christ to "deceive them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast" (Revelation 13:14). I'd say raising the dead, walking on water, and turning water into wine would be a miracle/great wonder...

So how would you know when the real Jeebus came?

[Godfrd824]

I don't think the anti-Christ will say the bible is BS. He's the anti-Christ, not anti-bible.

I never said he was the anti christ.

[ppself]

I never said he was the anti christ.

Ah. So you mean just some average dudes that like to work on cars, fixing them. Or a doctor who healed my strep throat. Or the average atheist who tells us that the bible is BS.

Matter of fact. Your description sounds like your typical atheist physician.

[Godfrd824]

Ah. So you mean just some average dudes that like to work on cars, fixing them. Or a doctor who healed my strep throat. Or the average atheist who tells us that the bible is BS.

Matter of fact. Your description sounds like your typical atheist physician.

The guy I'm talking about would be the real Jeebus, though no one would believe him.

[Human Rocket]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

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He goes on about how you should love others and help them when in need, he doesn't say anything about worshiping or going to church.

He would be considered the anti-Christ.

[johnsch8]

So how would you know when the real Jeebus came?

Some of the signs leading up to Jesus returning are:"There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.” (Luke 21:25-26)

When the worst of these cosmic events happen, then this:

“At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Luke 21:27) So apparently everyone on earth will see him coming from Heaven.

[Freek314]

Gettin tired of posting links to this that people obviously don't read.

Matthew 24

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
The Day and Hour Unknown
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[neekz0r]

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Uhm, this seriously sounds like space aliens invading us.

[Freek314]

Uhm, this seriously sounds like space aliens invading us.

LOL you have a strange way of looking at that.

[DorteeClan]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

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He goes on about how you should love others and help them when in need, he doesn't say anything about worshiping or going to church.

I know you're trolling, but are you asking, "What would Christians do if Jesus [Jeebus] actually came back and directly contradicted everything the bible says and that worshipping Him is not necessary?"

[Sublime82]

I have a hunch that if jesus were to come back, he would be shunned by religious leaders and political figures just as much now as he was 2000 years ago.

[neekz0r]

LOL you have a strange way of looking at that.

Well, lets break it down:

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;

As in, eclipsed by the mother ship.

the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

Weapons or hurling asteroids at us.

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31

Mothership coming down into the atmosphere. Everyone will see it's not a Good Thing that descends on us.


And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

... and more spaceships will flood out from the mothership, and gather people. Probably for anal probes or something.


Seriously, though do you see the congruent lines?

[bigBOSSguy]

more people would believe in God.

[Freek314]

Ohh I saw where you got that from, I just commented that it's a weird way to look at it.

[ppself]

Well, lets break it down:

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;

As in, eclipsed by the mother ship.

This can be a simple eclipse.

Which make more reasonable sense than a ship big enough to shroud the moon and sun at the same time.

the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

Weapons or hurling asteroids at us.

Asteroids falling to the earth, with thunderous storms and earthquakes could be seen here too.

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31

Mothership coming down into the atmosphere. Everyone will see it's not a Good Thing that descends on us.

What is the "sign" of the son of man? And Christ was never describe as a "ship". He is humanoid, not the star ship enterprise.

I would also have to say that the mothership would have to blanket the whole earth for it to be seen from all positions of the planet. Or television is so dominant that everybody would see on that format simultaneously.

And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

... and more spaceships will flood out from the mothership, and gather people. Probably for anal probes or something.

Don't see how angels get interpreted into ships, since the bible describes angels only in humanoid form.

Seriously, though do you see the congruent lines?

I will admit that it would make an interesting movie. You can call it Skyline.

[neekz0r]

Don't see how angels get interpreted into ships, since the bible describes angels only in humanoid form.

Actually, no they aren't.

In thea thirtieth year, in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kebar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.

2On the fifth of the month—it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin— 3the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi,b by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians.c There the hand of the Lord was upon him.

4I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn aboutd as the creatures went. 18Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
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A few pictures from artists on how angels looked:
Seraph:


Thrones:


Cherubs:

[Galvatorex]

LOL you have a strange way of looking at that.

Sounds like angel season 4

[ppself]

Actually, no they aren't.

In thea thirtieth year, in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kebar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.

2On the fifth of the month—it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin— 3the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi,b by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians.c There the hand of the Lord was upon him.

4I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn aboutd as the creatures went. 18Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
source
A few pictures from artists on how angels looked:
Seraph:


Thrones:


Cherubs:

Some angels have been described as living creatures with many different creature details, and some angels take the more common form of an average looking man. Just like the 2 angles who took the form of a man when visiting Lot.

Never, were angles described as inorganic entities resembling a ship. That was my point.

I'm sure you can create pretty interesting imagery that would submit to your idea of what would happen during the second coming of Christ. But you would either be inconsistent with or deviate from scripture in the process.

So, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. Just not the biblical idea.

[Das Gildenmeister]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

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He goes on about how you should love others and help them when in need, he doesn't say anything about worshiping or going to church.

If anything this would give the bible credibility and Christians would justifiably claim this was the anti-Christ.

Supposedly the Anti-Christ will be a well-liked and respected person before the havoc is unleashed... correct me if I’m wrong

[Bahai.Lifter]

He's healing people, fixing shyt, and he also says the bible is some BS, and not to follow it's teachings, what would the Christians in this board think?

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He goes on about how you should love others and help them when in need, he doesn't say anything about worshiping or going to church.

There were many miracles in the Bahá'í Faith, which is the most recent world religion having been founded in 1844. However, Bahá'u'lláh did not reject the Bible; in fact, He affirmed the divine origin of the previous revelations, and taught us that the Bahá'í Faith is the Religion of God for today. Just like we go to different grades in school, the different grades in religion can be thought of as, e.g., Judaism->Christianity->Islam->Bahá'í Faith... When God sends a new Manifestation or Teacher, now it's time to advance.

However, you can do one trillion miracles in front of someone's eyes—that still won't make him believe necessarily. (The Word of God itself says that some people know the truth, but purposefully distort it to serve their own animal lusts and desires.) One of the biggest miracles is the Martyrdom of the Báb (http://www.bahai.us/martyrdom-of-the-bab), when 750 rifles fired at Him when He was tied up with another youth; the ropes shattered but He disappeared until they found Him again (the youth was also standing there unharmed, although the ropes were completely smashed to pieces). In certain cases, some people's spiritual eyes are closed for good. There were many Muslims, some Christians, and others among the thousands of onlookers who crowded rooftops and the entire city of Tabriz to witness His martyrdom. The cold heart that doesn't love its Creator will never believe, no matter how many proofs or miracles are shown. However, for the pure in heart and the true seeker, all that is needed is the Word of God and a pure mind, and he immediately becomes enamored with his Beloved.

Granted, many Christians did become Bahá'ís (the majority in the West are originally from Christian backgrounds), but the majority still have not. Not that surprising, if you think about it, because when Jesus first appeared, virtually all the Jewish leaders rejected Him and laughed Him to scorn, so did the followers and the greater part of mankind; and the few Christians that were around were either thrown to the lions, set aflame for public display, or suffered martyrdom in other ways.

[Godfrd824]

I know you're trolling, but are you asking, "What would Christians do if Jesus [Jeebus] actually came back and directly contradicted everything the bible says and that worshipping Him is not necessary?"

He makes the rules, how am I a trolling, isn't that what he did when he "came" last time, he went about telling people to disregard the OT.

[Godfrd824]

There were many miracles in the Bahá'í Faith, which is the most recent world religion having been founded in 1844. However, Bahá'u'lláh did not reject the Bible; in fact, He affirmed the divine origin of the previous revelations, and taught us that the Bahá'í Faith is the Religion of God for today. Just like we go to different grades in school, the different grades in religion can be thought of as, e.g., Judaism->Christianity->Islam->Bahá'í Faith... When God sends a new Manifestation or Teacher, now it's time to advance.

However, you can do one trillion miracles in front of someone's eyes—that still won't make him believe necessarily. (The Word of God itself says that some people know the truth, but purposefully distort it to serve their own animal lusts and desires.) One of the biggest miracles is the Martyrdom of the Báb (http://www.bahai.us/martyrdom-of-the-bab), when 750 rifles fired at Him when He was tied up with another youth; the ropes shattered but He disappeared until they found Him again (the youth was also standing there unharmed, although the ropes were completely smashed to pieces). In certain cases, some people's spiritual eyes are closed for good. There were many Muslims, some Christians, and others among the thousands of onlookers who crowded rooftops and the entire city of Tabriz to witness His martyrdom. The cold heart that doesn't love its Creator will never believe, no matter how many proofs or miracles are shown. However, for the pure in heart and the true seeker, all that is needed is the Word of God and a pure mind, and he immediately becomes enamored with his Beloved.

Granted, many Christians did become Bahá'ís (the majority in the West are originally from Christian backgrounds), but the majority still have not. Not that surprising, if you think about it, because when Jesus first appeared, virtually all the Jewish leaders rejected Him and laughed Him to scorn, so did the followers and the greater part of mankind; and the few Christians that were around were either thrown to the lions, set aflame for public display, or suffered martyrdom in other ways.

Give me proof of this disappearing act, it had to have been in a news paper somewhere.