Is this possible without ROIDS?

[hcestR]

yeah? please learn to structure a sentence and work on your grammar champ.
send my regards to your friends major functioning organs.

Link to an article that that shows the relations between gear and major organs in the body.


I seem to have forgotten that this is the internetz and that grammar is compulsory.

Go and do some research before you make idiotic biased comments that are unproven.. you might actually have an influence on someone on this board.. which is alarming given your limited experience/knowledge.

You're talking about one of the top bodybuilders of his time. Franco's physique is a combination of near perfect genetics, steroids, countless years of dedication and training that only an athlete with the right mind-set can sustain. Most people wouldn't look like Franco even if they did use steroids.

/endofthread.

[Simmo89]

No its not possible naturally and chances are even with a boatload of steroids it wont be either

[mwingo1135]

look at his progress photos. Took many years.

I can not say if he roided or not but he shows steady progress over many years when most who do roids get results really fast and more results even faster.

[avio]

In your dreams without steriods...

[LiftingPeanuts]

Not possible.

You can get pretty big naturally, but it seems like the benefits of steroids really come to light during the cutting phase. Guys on juice can maintain most of their muscle mass, but natural bodybuilders lose a lot of muscle when trying to get down to 6-8% body fat.

[Empeh]

Franco had really really good genetics (apart from height) and was munching Dbol for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

If you want that naturally, it would need some godlike genetics and atleast a decade.

Otherwise, no, it's not possible.


(From what I've read Arnold and Franco came off cycle close to competitions so they wouldn't retain as much water, but keep in mind they were already at a low bf% before they started prep)

[Bdawg22]

Uhm... no and hell no.

I have a 6-1 190lb friend who has been working out hard since high school. We are both 33 now. He looks nothing like them. Not even close. He is cut as hell and has excellent definition but those guys are all roids. Sorry but its true. My friend has tried bulking and cutting and everything possible over the counter but he never got that big. So thats about 15 years of consistent working out 5 times a week, at least 2 hours a day.

Assuming you and your friend know EXACTLY what you're doing. Anyone could say the same thing and you'd never know how hard they go or how well they diet. You saying you guys work out 2 hours a day is enough to tell me you guys have no idea what you're doing. You'd think after 15 years you'd figure out you don't/shouldn't lift for 2 hours a day (without gear)...I'm assuming that would change it up.

[Bdawg22]

So you think...I can do it...if I just....beliiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve.

There is no need to be a dick bro. All I am saying is it's stupid how people on this website are always trying to figure out what their limitations are and what they CANNOT achieve. It just creates a mental barrier. Check out josef rakich natural 2 years progress the kid is ripped as hell at 175 5"9 or something give that kid 15 years and who knows what'll happen.

[.LME]

It would be difficult to get that big even with steroids... unless you have thousands of dollars to blow... and some things arent traceable which is how some natural builders get so big

[Ghosting]

It is possible to get that big without steroids.

So many people are showing stupidity in this thread.

[SunnyLeeone]

It is possible with good genes and alot of time i would say.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

There is no need to be a dick bro. All I am saying is it's stupid how people on this website are always trying to figure out what their limitations are and what they CANNOT achieve. It just creates a mental barrier. Check out josef rakich natural 2 years progress the kid is ripped as hell at 175 5"9 or something give that kid 15 years and who knows what'll happen.

Its not about limitations. It's about common sense. You will not look like that guy ever. No matter how great your eye of the tiger is or how much you weigh your meals and train everyday till you collapse. The best natural bodybuilders in the world fall FAR FAR short of Franco Columbo. But if you believe in yourself you will make them look pitiful?

[someonefat]

not sure if i'll say never possible given how crazy genetics can be and maybe some guy could have a crazy mutation where he builds muscle ridiculously easily. Yet for the vast majority you won't have the size at that bodyfat naturally. You could still look pretty impressive but he is very thick which is hard to see from pictures.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

not sure if i'll say never possible given how crazy genetics can be and maybe some guy could have a crazy mutation where he builds muscle ridiculously easily. Yet for the vast majority you won't have the size at that bodyfat naturally. You could still look pretty impressive but he is very thick which is hard to see from pictures.

Myostatin mutation is the only way.

[someonefat]

Myostatin mutation is the only way.

that and possibly other crazy things who knows, genetics in general is such a crazy thing. There have been 9feet tall humans, and 22 inch tall humans genetics nearly identical other then small mutation difference. But overall unless your literally 1 in 8 billion or something chances of having similar physique as a guy who was juicing heavily and training smart is nearly impossible. Many naturals could look similar to him in pics with right lighting angle but if stood next to each other you would see major differnece in thickness.

[EatToWin]

the stupidiy of some people in this thread is unbearable. To answer the original question, NO. secondly. people saying hes "roided" up. listen fatmen. hios dedication levels were nothing short of amazing. i would happily place money that if someone gave half of you guys his meals, training plan/ steroid cycles, you wouldnt come CLOSE to looking like him. now buzz off

[Big Slim DaDDy]

the stupidiy of some people in this thread is unbearable. To answer the original question, NO. secondly. people saying hes "roided" up. listen fatmen. hios dedication levels were nothing short of amazing. i would happily place money that if someone gave half of you guys his meals, training plan/ steroid cycles, you wouldnt come CLOSE to looking like him. now buzz off

/thread

[EatToWin]

/thread

thx big slim

[jmuniverse]

There is no need to be a dick bro. All I am saying is it's stupid how people on this website are always trying to figure out what their limitations are and what they CANNOT achieve. It just creates a mental barrier. Check out josef rakich natural 2 years progress the kid is ripped as hell at 175 5"9 or something give that kid 15 years and who knows what'll happen.

some people mistook my comment as saying anyone in the world can achieve this physique but i have seen people at my school who ate garbage and has a tremendous physique(stage ready) and they were natty

Your honestly telling me that there arent genetic freaks out there who can achieve a body worthy of recognition?

I believe too many people let the stigma of steroids play into their heads and believe they cant achieve a body worthy of respect without pinning and it pisses me off. Train hard and the gains will happen.