Can you consider someone smart and intelligent if they werent good at math?
Lets say they knew a lot of stuff, great writing, thinking etc. Had deep and profound knowledge of history, philosophy, law, economics, (without delving into mathematic formulas) literature, spoke several languages, etc but had bad math skills?
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No way, gotta know math
04-11-2011, 11:52 AM #1
Can you be smart/ intelligent without knowing math?
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Yes. It's different regions of the brain that are responsible for maths, grammar, etc. I am not too good at math, but my analytical skills are very good. I'm just not great at that sequential logical thinking process involved with numbers.
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I'm not sure how to answer this. My personal definition for being intelligent is the ability to solve problems. I think to be good at math, this ability is intrinsic and therefore if you are good at math you are intelligent.
However, I do know some very intelligent (by my own definition) people who I do not think are good at math, but I don't know for sure. We don't sit around the nurse's desk in the ER talking about complex integration with multi-variables.
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04-11-2011, 11:57 AM #6
math = repetition until you master it....it's not a measure of intelligence. Why are most asians (no racist) in eastern countries so good at math and playing instruments at an early age? Because they're forced to repeat everything over and over again...doesn't mean they're intelligent. Intelligence is the measure of how quickly you can learn something and apply that to real life or come up with new ideas. If you can prove a new theorem in a different way, then you're intelligent
EDIT: Math in terms of computational math, and not applied math
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I can. But if someone is completely math-illiterate, then I don't have quite as high an opinion of their intelligence as I otherwise would. You can relate math to just about everything. If you don't have at least a fundamental understanding of how math works, then you're probably not as well-learned in your particular field as you think you are."What is happiness? The feeling that power is increasing--that resistance is being overcome."
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intelligent is the ability to cognitively think, problem solve, be innovative and how well you can learn.
If a person is smart there is a good chance he is also good at math, but correlation does not imply causation."Funny story about azn, back in d2 i thought it was a clan. so when anyone had the name AZN or would say i'm azn i was like damn that clan is huge they have members everywhere" -spens
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People certainly can be intelligent without being good at math, there are many different kinds of intelligence. Quantitative intelligence, verbal intelligence, social intelligence, etc. Clearly there are people who are strong in one of those areas and deficient in others.Jets, Mets, Rangers, Knicks, Duke Blue Devils
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04-11-2011, 12:18 PM #20
Math is mostly applying known principles to problem and solving it- be it logic/proofs, linear algebra or what have. The more interesting parts of applied math (yay) are where you have real world data and you try to create a model that behaves like some sort of real world situation. Memorization my black ass!
Biology and Chemistry on the other hand are entirely memorization unless you're talking some of the more computational variants of those, but that's basically CS/Statistics at that point.
Math is a good measure of intelligence because someone who is logical and can solve problems can do math very easily.
EDIT: For example, some of the best math is reducing an ugly solution to a problem to an elegant one. For example, how would you best add the numbers between 1 and 100? You could do it brute force, but you could also figure out what the infinite series looks like and develop an equation for that- bam, elegant, quick solution. CS is like this too, on the algorithmic side- reduce space and complexity and you have the perfect algorithm.
04-11-2011, 12:18 PM #21
Present two people with a differential equation, if you are familiar with diff eqs, you know they typically have various routes to a solution. One person immediately solves it the fastest and most efficient way. The other, who learns by repetition, will not know where to begin, unless they are given specific instructions on which technique to use to solve it. The former person is intelligent, the latter is not.
And Asians are good at pure computation, which is such a narrow window of math in general, although it provides a good foundation. It's more because of their language from what I understand, being that it is mathematically based apparently. I can't personally attest for that though, because I don't speak any Asian languages.
Also, to clarify, I do not believe that you must be good at math to be intelligent. I'm just saying that if you are good at it, I consider you intelligent. Mathematics is an element of intelligence, but it isn't tantamount of it. Artists are among the most intelligent people IMO, the type of creativity they display in paintings, or novels, or songs, or whatever requires some degree of intelligence. Just a different kind of intelligence that mathematicians have.
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AND I'm sorry, when I said repition I meant solving equations, functions, etc...I do take it back. Math, when applied to physics and engineering is, imo, intelligence.
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04-11-2011, 12:41 PM #26
I suppose you could say the building blocks you work with are repetitive, but that's all fields again. If you've done any math past the calculus level your view on this changes (either that or you really hate math).
Physics is pretty serious, but the physicists who do the craziest stuff are basically statisticians, and they are where a lot of modern financial mathematics and statistics comes from.
As an example of pure math, how about the famous example of finding big prime numbers. Mathematicians love that ****. Recently it's become very useful for real-world stuff, but people have spent all sorts of effort on figuring out how to find big primes. What about calculating Fibonacci numbers? There's basic ways, but there are also some other cool ways you might not think of.
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How much physics is required to be an engineer, exactly? I don't remember anybody doing more than 2nd-year physics weed-out courses from the engineering group... the people who continued on were only physics majors and the occasionally bored math person.
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