Anabolic Sugar

[NewBuilder4Life]

Is sugar anabolic post workout?

If so, does it matter what the source is?

Cookies
Energy drink
Candy
White bagel
Milk

??

[Grtr1]

meeting your macros is anabolic.

[Rugger7]

Is sugar anabolic post workout?

If so, does it matter what the source is?

Cookies
Energy drink
Candy
White bagel
Milk

??

yes it is, out of those options I would choose milk, but lactose is not the ideal sugar. Dextrose & Whey has always been a broscience classic (b/c it works).

[joebrosef]

yes it is, out of those options I would choose milk, but lactose is not the ideal sugar. Dextrose & Whey has always been a broscience classic (b/c it works).

ohhhh woooo, in on rugger thread.



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[Rugger7]

ohhhh woooo, in on rugger thread.



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what is so wrong with your life that you find the need to get on the internet and try to be a douchebag to people you've never met? Is it because if you did it in real life you'd get the **** slapped out of you and you know you are safe behind your screen? I gave the guy my opinion, whey & dextrose, did it for years worked real well.

[PR1MO]

I gave the guy my opinion, whey & dextrose, did it for years worked real well.

That doesn't really come across as your opinion though:

yes it is, out of those options I would choose milk, but lactose is not the ideal sugar. Dextrose & Whey has always been a broscience classic (b/c it works).

[alan aragon]

I think that whey & dex can be taken to a whole new level by having whey hydro + Vitargo. It hits the muscle so fast, if you as much as blink, you'll miss how huge you got.

[zstanton]

in after alan

[PR1MO]

I think that whey & dex can be taken to a whole new level by having whey hydro + Vitargo. It hits the muscle so fast, if you as much as blink, you'll miss how huge you got.

yeah, you could slam your anabolic window shut and that sh*t'll still get through

[NewBuilder4Life]

So... dextrose and whey ftw?

[matthew3881]

So... dextrose and whey ftw?

is that really the conclusion u came to?

[NewBuilder4Life]

Well i didnt think the source of the sugar to spike insulin mattered

[braggable]

is that really the conclusion u came to?

LOL. I can sense the disappointment in your post, pal.
Cheer up, can't win 'em all.

[matthew3881]

LOL. I can sense the disappointment in your post, pal.
Cheer up, can't win 'em all.

we lost him to the bros

[hockeytownfan]

If you really want to be anabolic, before your workout, get your whey powder and dextrose out. Put it on a mirror, chop it together in real well, put it in nice lines, and leave it in your locker. The very second you are done lifting, hop off the bench and head straight to your locker. Don't stop to piss or anything. Snort that **** right up as fast as you can. Doing this bypasses your stomach completely and it hits the blood quick. Just watch yourself get huge.

[bhffs]

I think that whey & dex can be taken to a whole new level by having whey hydro + Vitargo. It hits the muscle so fast, if you as much as blink, you'll miss how huge you got.

+1 hahaha
Don't forget your waxy maize as well now that's a stack.

[Rugger7]

So... dextrose and whey ftw?

yes man, just do it, these people are just so eager to be contrarian they make fun of people who do what works because their "research" says it's 'unnecessary'.. there is just as much research to support it as there is to invalidate it... who gives a flying **** what some research says bottom line is it's nutrients and you need nutrients whether its powdered or whole foods so get some of something, whey and dex is cheap, convenient, and time-tested.

[WonderPug]

who gives a flying **** what some research says....

People who want to maximize their results, while minimizing unnecessary nonsense, do care about what research indicates.

Those who don't care, like you, can continue to consume micronutrient sparse powdered supplements in place of vastly more nutritious, satiating and yummy whole foods.

[Rugger7]

People who want to maximize their results, while minimizing unnecessary nonsense, do care about what research indicates.

Those who don't care, like you, can continue to consume micronutrient sparse powdered supplements in place of vastly more nutritious, satiating and yummy whole foods.

yaya well research is like a cross-dressing bisexual, it goes more than one way in more than one way.

[WonderPug]

yaya well research is like a cross-dressing bisexual, it goes more than one way in more than one way.

There's a minimum level of logic required to engaged in a meaningful debate. Sadly, your comment, quoted above, poignantly indicates that you're not meeting that threshold.

[trickysimon]

Since I usually have a whey protein shake after my workout, would adding white sugar be beneficial? How much would you add?

Why? Why not?

[snorkelman]

Since I usually have a whey protein shake after my workout, would adding white sugar be beneficial? ?

^^ for what goal?

Also, are you training fasted, training a single body part continuously for 90-120 minutes?

[trickysimon]

After reading somwhere to take in simple carbs after a workout to spike insulin levels. (Or is this false?)

Wouldn't say training "fasted", have a small meal approx 2.5 hours before a workout and then supplement 30 mins prior. Workouts are usually ~60mins.

[Joseph1990]

Wonderpug this is Rugger, Rugger this is Wonderpug.

[ErickStevens]

what is so wrong with your life that you find the need to get on the internet and try to be a douchebag to people you've never met? Is it because if you did it in real life you'd get the **** slapped out of you and you know you are safe behind your screen? I gave the guy my opinion, whey & dextrose, did it for years worked real well.

lol

[snorkelman]

After reading somwhere to take in simple carbs after a workout to spike insulin levels. (Or is this false?)

First of all, "spike" is a very vague term. How much of an elevation is desired? I bet you won't find a straight answer from your original source that told you to spike the insulin. When you look at the two Greenhaff, et. al, research together, it suggests that increasing insulin to a range of about 15-30 mU/l maximizes muscle protein balance (muscle protein synthesis minus muscle protein breakdown). Furthermore, recently (December 2010), Staples, and colleagues found that muscle protein balance was maximized at 19 mU/l. These three studies taken together support a position that a desired "spike" would be elevating insulin levels to about 2-5 times normal fasting insulin levels. Achieving these levels of insulin increase can easily be achieved by most protein + carb shakes or even normal meals. That's right, if your goal in "spiking" insulin post-workout is to maximize muscle protein balance, then you can easily nail the 15-30mU/l target a myriad of ways. Hell, 600 kcal of pizza (yup, even with the fat) will hit the upper end of this range.

I have also seen a study where a meal that contained 100 g butter (corresponding to 80 g fat) also "spiked" insulin within the above-described range.

Even a scoop and one half (45 grams) of whey (with no added carbs at all) will raise insulin levels beyond the upper end of the target range elevated above.

And, for the bros who just don't get it, I made this image for ya:

Wouldn't say training "fasted", have a small meal approx 2.5 hours before a workout and then supplement 30 mins prior. Workouts are usually ~60mins.

No that is not fasted. The reason this is an issue is because in some rare situations you may actually deplete glycogen and need to replentish it faster than the body normally would, and for that rare scenario, you can assist it by intentionally using high GI carbs. Now, some bros may be thinking, "hmm, I bust-ass in the gym, maybe that is one of those rare situations, because nobody is as bad-ass as me." Well, they are wrong. Basically, the rare situation would involve the following:

1. They would need to train first thing in the morning (or an otherwise fasted state).

2. Their workout would need to result in further depleting glycogen (i.e. working a single muscle group continuously for 90+ minutes); and

3. They would need to compete/perform again in < 8 hours with those same glycogen-depleted muscles (such as taking part in a qualifying heat for a race, and then a few hours later needing to compete in the actual race).

[PR1MO]

First of all, "spike" is a very vague term. How much of an elevation is desired? I bet you won't find a straight answer from your original source that told you to spike the insulin. When you look at the two Greenhaff, et. al, research together, it suggests that increasing insulin to a range of about 15-30 mU/l maximizes muscle protein balance (muscle protein synthesis minus muscle protein breakdown). Furthermore, recently (December 2010), Staples, and colleagues found that muscle protein balance was maximized at 19 mU/l. These three studies taken together support a position that a desired "spike" would be elevating insulin levels to about 2-5 times normal fasting insulin levels. Achieving these levels of insulin increase can easily be achieved by most protein + carb shakes or even normal meals. That's right, if your goal in "spiking" insulin post-workout is to maximize muscle protein balance, then you can easily nail the 15-30mU/l target a myriad of ways. Hell, 600 kcal of pizza (yup, even with the fat) will hit the upper end of this range.

I have also seen a study where a meal that contained 100 g butter (corresponding to 80 g fat) also "spiked" insulin within the above-described range.

Even a scoop and one half (45 grams) of whey (with no added carbs at all) will raise insulin levels beyond the upper end of the target range elevated above.

And, for the bros who just don't get it, I made this image for ya:





No that is not fasted. The reason this is an issue is because in some rare situations you may actually deplete glycogen and need to replentish it faster than the body normally would, and for that rare scenario, you can assist it by intentionally using high GI carbs. Now, some bros may be thinking, "hmm, I bust-ass in the gym, maybe that is one of those rare situations, because nobody is as bad-ass as me." Well, they are wrong. Basically, the rare situation would involve the following:

1. They would need to train first thing in the morning (or an otherwise fasted state).

2. Their workout would need to result in further depleting glycogen (i.e. working a single muscle group continuously for 90+ minutes); and

3. They would need to compete/perform again in < 8 hours with those same glycogen-depleted muscles (such as taking part in a qualifying heat for a race, and then a few hours later needing to compete in the actual race).

There is only one response to from any bro after being presented with this much science.........



You're a witch!!

[trickysimon]

Thankyou snorkelman, that helps alot
Will spiking insulin levels too far have any consequences?

[Cumulonimbus]

ITT:



Ruggers piss stain.

[Cumulonimbus]

Thankyou snorkelman, that helps alot
Will spiking insulin levels too far have any consequences?

http://user210805.websitewizard.com/...R-Jan-2008.pdf

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