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    Why did people love Ronald Reagan so much, even though he was destroying America?

    There has seemed to be a sour or at best unenthusiastic mood concerning President Obama for a while now, imo. I don't know enough now to make a judgement call, but I do see the economy is recovering. However, the mood of the American people does not always reflect the quality of the job the President is doing.

    The more I learn about Ronald Reagan, the more I see what a terrible President he was. Yet the way people spoke of him (and some still speak of him today), you'd think he was one of America's best Presidents. Why is that?

    I think Americans should pause and find out what the President is actually doing before making a judgment call. And that information cannot come from bias sources.

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    Because he reminded them so much of the 50's and 60's before civil rights and political correctness was invented. Merry Christmas!
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    Reagan pulled the US out of the crap hole that worst president of the modern era (Carter) put us in, if you think Reagan was a bad president it's because your speaking from an uneducated or ass backwards point of view. 17% mortgage rates and fking gas lines, fking GAS LINES? I would elect a senile Reagan over 98% of the people on the national stage in politics today.
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    I like him because he reminds me so much of the 50's and 60's before civil rights and political correctness was invented
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    Well it's because Herbert Walker Bush became his vice president on a Republican ticket outta the blue. Bush had ran as a democrat against him and called Reagan's Economic Policy 'voodoo economics.' Then Reagan was shot because Bush was mad.... fortunately he survived to give some interesting speeches, but unfortunately became a puppet for most of those 8 years until 'the powers to be' gave him Alzheimer's.
    Ronald Reagan was our last good decent president.

    edit: oh and his advisers like Henry Kissinger were scum, this a-hole is still calling for a NWO.

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    Originally Posted by pac8x8 View Post
    Ronald Reagan was our last good decent president.
    He took care of business and got the girl too!

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    cuz he stuck it to the Ruskies!

    seriously though, I think most people have fond memories of him because, after years of emasculation post Vietnam war and the gloom and doom of the 70s, he managed to empower America in terms of military prowess. Sure, we went after tiny countries like Lebanon, Panama, Nicaragua but you might say that Ronald Reagan gave US its balls back.
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    He added 16 million jobs to the economy.
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    Originally Posted by rea99 View Post
    Reagan pulled the US out of the crap hole that worst president of the modern era (Carter) put us in, if you think Reagan was a bad president it's because your speaking from an uneducated or ass backwards point of view. 17% mortgage rates and fking gas lines, fking GAS LINES? I would elect a senile Reagan over 98% of the people on the national stage in politics today.
    Actually, I think you mean Paul Volcker pulled the US out of the crap hole that Carter put us in, Reagans policies did absolutely zero to the economy.

    And if you like bigger government and the "deficits dont matter" creed thats followed in D.C. nowadays you can thank him for that.
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    GDP grew during his eight years in office at an annual rate of 3.85% per year.
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    Keep in mind that for most of reagans 1st term he was deemed a failure with low approval ratings and not expected to run again.

    ...then the economy recovered. Same with Bill Clinton.

    Only difference with Reagan is that most of his cherry picked legacy is shrouded in myth and held up as some sort of blueprint for the perfect conservative.
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    amtharin wants to play a game guise...lets play.

    Reagan raised taxes in 7 of his 8 yrs in office, including 4 times in two years and 11 times in total.
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    Reagan raised taxes in 7 of his 8 yrs in office, including 4 times in two years and 11 times in total.
    Really?? Because there was the 'Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981', then there was 'Tax Reform Act of 1986', both of which reduced taxes. That is 2 of his 8 years right there, so it appears that you are full of ****. Not to mention that he left office with a net decrease in taxes.
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    Originally Posted by amtharin View Post
    Really?? Because there was the 'Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981', then there was 'Tax Reform Act of 1986', both of which reduced taxes. That is 2 of his 8 years right there, so it appears that you are full of ****. Not to mention that he left office with a net decrease in taxes.
    Tax increases

    Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 +57.3%
    Highway Revenue Act of 1982 +4.9%
    Social Security Amendments of 1983 +24.6%
    Railroad Retirement Revenue Act of 1983 +1.2%
    Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 +25.4%
    Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 +2.9%
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 +2.4%
    Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act of 1986 +0.6%
    Continuing Resolution for 1987 +2.8%
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 +8.6%
    Continuing Resolution for 1988 +2.0%

    Total cumulative tax increases +137.7%


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    Originally Posted by Kane_89 View Post
    Total cumulative tax increases +137.7%
    Well, at least you're not resorting to wild-ass exaggeration and misrepresentation to support your position.

    BRB - Taxes for everyone in the country went up more than double during Reagan's administration

    1980 average tax rate: 15.31%
    1989 average tax rate: 13.12%

    Yes, definitely a massive, 137% increase

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    Originally Posted by Shortfuze View Post
    cuz he stuck it to the Ruskies!

    seriously though, I think most people have fond memories of him because, after years of emasculation post Vietnam war and the gloom and doom of the 70s, he managed to empower America in terms of military prowess. Sure, we went after tiny countries like Lebanon, Panama, Nicaragua but you might say that Ronald Reagan gave US its balls back.
    even though lots of those Central American countries had rebels that basically fought us to standstills...

    People like him because giving poor kids ketchup instead of actual vegetables or fruits was lulzworthy.
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    Originally Posted by Kane_89 View Post
    Total cumulative tax increases +137.7%
    You serious Clark??
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    Originally Posted by rea99 View Post
    Reagan pulled the US out of the crap hole that worst president of the modern era (Carter) put us in, if you think Reagan was a bad president it's because your speaking from an uneducated or ass backwards point of view. 17% mortgage rates and fking gas lines, fking GAS LINES? I would elect a senile Reagan over 98% of the people on the national stage in politics today.
    because the president controls the economy. i always lol when people hate on carter...lemme guess...he cut the military (false) and reagan made the soviet union collapse (false)?
    I want to touch the butt.
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    Well, at least you're not resorting to wild-ass exaggeration and misrepresentation to support your position.

    BRB - Taxes for everyone in the country went up more than double during Reagan's administration

    1980 average tax rate: 15.31%
    1989 average tax rate: 13.12%

    Yes, definitely a massive, 137% increase

    Table 8: http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
    But Republicans arent supposed to raise taxes...at all.

    That is a major conservative cardinal sin he committed
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    A lot of people also forget that Ronald Reagan was almost certainly the first president to defecate himself in the Oval Office, which he was doing quite regularly by the end of his second term. Popular candidates like John McCain and Ron Paul owe Reagan a great debt of gratitude, because without him, the idea of electing men of extremely advanced age and questionable bowel control would be seen as an impossibility.
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    In '86, Reagan illegally sold weapons to the anti-american terrorist state of Iran.
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    He added more to the debt and deficit as a percentage than any other president in recent history. Can't forget that one, even Obama isn't on track to catch him.
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    His speech was cool calm and collected, but people forget he was an actor ( a bad one at that). Most Republicans turn to Reagan as a keystone example of the good ole' days, creating a cult like following. He's always in the top 10, if not top 5, of presidents that people have a favorable opinion of. Telling Gorbachev to tear down the walls was an iconic statement, especially when the mean old Russians backed down. Reagan was able to swing some massive proverbial brass nuts and it worked. Had the USSR not backed down then perhaps we would see things differently, but thats neither here nor there.

    Never-mind the fact that
    - He said he wanted smaller government but its grew and the spending went out of control
    - Drastically expanded the "war on drugs" which to most is seen as a complete failure
    - National debt 1981-1989 went from $907B - $2.8 Trillion
    - Iran-contra needs no explanation to why that was wrong on more levels than one can count. Even though it's fun to hear the conspiracy theorist bolster the claim that it led to the rise of Osama Bin Laden
    etc etc etc etc.
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    The Reagan administration was the first in U.S. history to have over 100 members of his cabinet charged with crimes.
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    when i think of reagan i think of dat black budget.
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