70 Ancient Leaded Codices Found in Middle East

[thomashenry]

What are your thoughts and "THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO START AN ARGUMENT"

70 Ancient leaded codices [the size of credit cards] found in a cave in Jordan, "believed" not verified to be from the 1st Century AD, some are sealed and some have reference & depiction to the ancient city of Jerusalem, the Walls of Jerusalem, Jesus Tomb, references to the Messiah and the Crucifixion & Resurrection, one sentence was already translated " I shall walk Uprightly " one Professor was "dumbstruck" when he saw them !

Scholars and academics want to verify the authenticity of the books, the initial metallurgical tests date the book to the 1st Century AD, the form of Corrosion on the books the experts agree could not have been formed artificially, it is believed to have been found in a remote cave in Jordan from where the Israelites escaped after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, if the books prove verfiable they could be the earliest forms of Christian Documents !

There are obviously some skeptics and as it should be, but personally I find this fascinating, AGAIN I am not looking for an arguement--------History is what it is, and yours and my personal beliefs could be vastly different, I am just asking what are your thoughts ?

[mslman71]

I think it's cool. I can't help but wonder how much 'stuff' is buried in and around that area and to what extent it could fill in the missing pieces of history (or at least clarify/support).

[GnomusMaximus]

I'm not sure what you are asking. If you mean thoughts regarding these specific pieces then my answer would be who knows. There have been incidents of real finds and real frauds. I guess it's up to the experts to show which one they are. If the question is regarding the existence of the church at that time/place then I think the answer is pretty clear. Even a person that doesn't believe in Christianity would have a hard time arguing that there weren't Christians present there and then.

Personally...I've been reading Acts lately, just a chapter or two a night, and it would be really cool if those were legit.

[GnomusMaximus]

Here's the BBC story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12888421

[AlbinoGerbil]

This will be quite interesting to follow.

[mixbwoy]

Discovered between 2005 & 2007. Why has it taken so long to come to light? Love history like this. I wish more was translated. Not sure I believe the Israeli Bedouin who claims it has been his family for 100 years.

[Mindi912]

I watched a really interesting program once about the items they have found and stuff or believe they know where is it but the governments of the country prevent them from going in and finding it.

I find it fascinating.

[Marius_Ursus]

Discovered between 2005 & 2007. Why has it taken so long to come to light? Love history like this. I wish more was translated. Not sure I believe the Israeli Bedouin who claims it has been his family for 100 years.

A lot of countries have been passing laws that archaeologists have to write their theses and dissertations before revealing the discoveries they're making because "treasure hunting" has become such a problem. For instance, the area around the Negev alone has about a decade's worth of archaeological discoveries in need of cataloging, but the archaeologists have simply been performing dig after dig after dig and finding all kinds of objects and falling behind on analysis and publication.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Here's the BBC story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12888421

Thanks for posting the link.

A lot of countries have been passing laws that archaeologists have to write their theses and dissertations before revealing the discoveries they're making because "treasure hunting" has become such a problem. For instance, the area around the Negev alone has about a decade's worth of archaeological discoveries in need of cataloging, but the archaeologists have simply been performing dig after dig after dig and finding all kinds of objects and falling behind on analysis and publication.

QFT.

[Marius_Ursus]

Thanks for posting the link.



QFT.

You pick up the occasional issue of Archaeology Today, too, I take it.

[fitmom43]

Here's the BBC story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12888421

Thank you for the link!!! I am excited to see where this goes! I love anything that has to do with Ancient History and specifically when archeology further validates the bible

[thomashenry]

Its obvious my personal beliefs are intertwined with discoveries such as this, but the ancient world is fascinating too me, history is fascinating too me, always has been ! discoveries such as this the Dead Sea Scrolls Etc are unbelievably interesting, I do hope one day I am fortunate enough to go to Israel and see for myself all the fabrics that make up my belief and wonder

[Marius_Ursus]

Its obvious my personal beliefs are intertwined with discoveries such as this, but the ancient world is fascinating too me, history is fascinating too me, always has been ! discoveries such as this the Dead Sea Scrolls Etc are unbelievably interesting, I do hope one day I am fortunate enough to go to Israel and see for myself all the fabrics that make up my belief and wonder

Israel is amazing.

[NYkarate]

Archeology and history are fascinating. Clearly anyone's grasp of history, no matter how much one studies will always be limited. However, there is one overwhelming pattern that always emerges no matter the time period and that is that we are human and do repeat the same mistakes over and over again. They get dressed up in different clothes for each era, but the big picture repeats.

[thomashenry]

Israel is amazing.

I have to take your word for it my friend, I would truly enjoy going there and sharing my experience, the Church I belong has trips generally once a year and if my wife was healthy and up to it, in heartbeat, gotta be better than Detroit :}

[Marius_Ursus]

I have to take your word for it my friend, I would truly enjoy going there and sharing my experience, the Church I belong has trips generally once a year and if my wife was healthy and up to it, in heartbeat, gotta be better than Detroit :}

It's DEFINITELY worth the trip.

[thomashenry]

It's DEFINITELY worth the trip.

Amen to that :}-----------I believe with all my heart & soul that Jews & Christians are inextricably linked by a singular commonality that NOTHING can break it

[Marius_Ursus]

Amen to that :}-----------I believe with all my heart & soul that Jews & Christians are inextricably linked by a singular commonality that NOTHING can break it

The good book says as long as everyone obeys G-d's laws, we're all one happy family.

[thomashenry]

The good book says as long as everyone obeys G-d's laws, we're all one happy family.

This is Happy, LOL, I know what you mean, however if I was to drop just one verse from that GOOD book, we would see in a very short time just how happy this family is

[crupiea]

Cool story. This peaks my interest for sure.

[mixbwoy]

A lot of countries have been passing laws that archaeologists have to write their theses and dissertations before revealing the discoveries they're making because "treasure hunting" has become such a problem. For instance, the area around the Negev alone has about a decade's worth of archaeological discoveries in need of cataloging, but the archaeologists have simply been performing dig after dig after dig and finding all kinds of objects and falling behind on analysis and publication.

Makes sense. Still wish there was more translated.

[Tyrbolift]

Makes sense. Still wish there was more translated.

And there's the rub. Who translates stuff and what he says it says.

[hochspeyer]

What are your thoughts and "THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO START AN ARGUMENT"

70 Ancient leaded codices [the size of credit cards] found in a cave in Jordan, "believed" not verified to be from the 1st Century AD, some are sealed and some have reference & depiction to the ancient city of Jerusalem, the Walls of Jerusalem, Jesus Tomb, references to the Messiah and the Crucifixion & Resurrection, one sentence was already translated " I shall walk Uprightly " one Professor was "dumbstruck" when he saw them !

Scholars and academics want to verify the authenticity of the books, the initial metallurgical tests date the book to the 1st Century AD, the form of Corrosion on the books the experts agree could not have been formed artificially, it is believed to have been found in a remote cave in Jordan from where the Israelites escaped after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, if the books prove verfiable they could be the earliest forms of Christian Documents !

There are obviously some skeptics and as it should be, but personally I find this fascinating, AGAIN I am not looking for an arguement--------History is what it is, and yours and my personal beliefs could be vastly different, I am just asking what are your thoughts ?

Thanks for sharing- that was a very interesting story, both from a historical/archeological perspective and from a Believer's perspective.

And there's the rub. Who translates stuff and what he says it says.

You are 100% correct. Accurate translation/transliteration is as much art as science. Even with modern and commonly known languages, issues can arise. My favorite example is one of my own making, but I find it helpful in explaining to those who have no knowledge of anything but their mother tongue-

"Ein Gespenst geht um Europas, der Gespenst des Kommunismus." Although I am not a Communist, I memorized this because I saw how it could be (intentionally) misinterpreted. Like many words, Gespenst can be translated a few different ways, depending on context. In this context, Marx was saying that, "A SPIRIT is going forth across Europe, the SPIRIT of Communism".

It can also be translated as ghost or specter.

The gent interviewed in the article was fairly cautious with his words, which is only proper considering what these artifacts potentially represent.

[Tyrbolift]

Thanks for sharing- that was a very interesting story, both from a historical/archeological perspective and from a Believer's perspective.



You are 100% correct. Accurate translation/transliteration is as much art as science. Even with modern and commonly known languages, issues can arise. My favorite example is one of my own making, but I find it helpful in explaining to those who have no knowledge of anything but their mother tongue-

"Ein Gespenst geht um Europas, der Gespenst des Kommunismus." Although I am not a Communist, I memorized this because I saw how it could be (intentionally) misinterpreted. Like many words, Gespenst can be translated a few different ways, depending on context. In this context, Marx was saying that, "A SPIRIT is going forth across Europe, the SPIRIT of Communism".

It can also be translated as ghost or specter.

The gent interviewed in the article was fairly cautious with his words, which is only proper considering what these artifacts potentially represent.

One specific example I remember reading about is the very important difference between saying "I am the son of God" vs "I am a son of God."

[hochspeyer]

One specific example I remember reading about is the very important difference between saying "I am the son of God" vs "I am a son of God."

That is a better example. There have also been arguments as to whether Jesus ever actually said He was God. I think the latter are moot, as evidenced by the reactions of the leaders of the day, as well as the accusations of heresy that were leveled against Jesus.

[DaddyR]

Sounds like they have a very poor chain of custody. Found sometime between 2005 and 2007, yet somehow they know exactly where they came from? In the possession of some random family of Bedoins, and not a qualified Archeologist?

Sadly there is a long history of fakery with similar artifacts, but it would indeed be interesting if they could actually be authenticated and somebody actually published something in more depth about them.

[cozener]

Why would you think this would start an argument, Thomas?

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Why would you think this would start an argument, Thomas?

Why do you think it wouldn't start an argument? That's just bone headed thinking on your part for crying out loud man use your head for something besides a stinking hat rack...






























LOL

[cozener]

Shhh! I'm trying to start an argument here!

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Shhh! I'm trying to start an argument here!

roflol.......... oh sorry man....