Personal Opinion on O.T.

[gamecockfan88]

OK, so the daily value percentages of all the contents in a serving size (6 tablets) of orange triad is extremely high. Now I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but I'm considering taking half of a serving size (3 tablets). I don't think that half of the daily value percentages of the contents is necessarily a bad thing either. This will also double the amounts per serving from 45 to 90. What do you guys think? Good idea, bad idea, or doesn't really matter? I'm looking at it from the perspective that half the serving size is still better than what I was taking (nothing).

[_Smitty_]

it's true that it's better than what you're taking now, but you're also short-changing yourself on a number of ingredients/complexes by half-dosing it. if you're not concerned with the joint support, you could get away with 4/day...

i mean, i have my 61 year old father taking 3 OT per day and he loves it, but he's certainly not as active as you and i and has no joint issues, so it works well for him.

[AlecGaspari]

the RDA does not apply to a person who is very physically active (ie, fitrness enthusiast or bodybuilder)

take the full dose!

[Daycrawler]

it's true that it's better than what you're taking now, but you're also short-changing yourself on a number of ingredients/complexes by half-dosing it. if you're not concerned with the joint support, you could get away with 4/day...

i mean, i have my 61 year old father taking 3 OT per day and he loves it, but he's certainly not as active as you and i and has no joint issues, so it works well for him.

All depends on your diet. You agree smitty?

[gamecockfan88]

the RDA does not apply to a person who is very physically active (ie, fitrness enthusiast or bodybuilder)

take the full dose!

Can you inform me on what RDA stands for?

[FearTheSpur89]

Can you inform me on what RDA stands for?

Recommended Daily Allowance.

[_Smitty_]

All depends on your diet. You agree smitty?

oh, absolutely, dude... but, i'm not embarrassed to admit that i'm one who definitely benefits from a MV because my diet, no matter how perfect i believe it is (little debbie oatmeal cream pies are in the dairy category, right? ), won't provide me with certain, beneficial amounts.

if you're diet's on point, though, a MV isn't wholly necessary.

[GymRat128]

I been takeing 4 O.T a day for years. Nothing to do with cost but since my diet is on check I don't think I need 6 OT a 200lb+ person takes when I'm 150lb's myself...just my .2cents and it's always safer to underdose your vitamins then to take too much

[or_yourlivingtodie]

I been takeing 4 O.T a day for years. Nothing to do with cost but since my diet is on check I don't think I need 6 OT a 200lb+ person takes when I'm 150lb's myself...just my .2cents and it's always safer to underdose your vitamins then to take too much

its 6 pills for a reason, and not just to get all those vitamins in there...........


joint support + digestive are in there to, if you underdose, you underdose on those complexes also

[gamecockfan88]

I been takeing 4 O.T a day for years. Nothing to do with cost but since my diet is on check I don't think I need 6 OT a 200lb+ person takes when I'm 150lb's myself...just my .2cents and it's always safer to underdose your vitamins then to take too much

I agree with you considering I am about the same size as you. I would rather underdose and use all of the nutrients than overdose and just piss it out. Just seems like a waste to me.

[gachase21]

I think ot is made with high quality ingredients by a good company. However I take animal pak instead because i can toss the pill that has calcium in it. Calcium supplements have been shown to cause heart disease , I wouldn't recommend taking any, instead get calcium from you diet. OT has 250mg of calcium, and you cant toss it out

[gamecockfan88]

I think ot is made with high quality ingredients by a good company. However I take animal pak instead because i can toss the pill that has calcium in it. Calcium supplements have been shown to cause heart disease , I wouldn't recommend taking any, instead get calcium from you diet. OT has 250mg of calcium, and you cant toss it out

Calcium also builds stong bones, is 250mg really too much?

[GymRat128]

its 6 pills for a reason, and not just to get all those vitamins in there...........


joint support + digestive are in there to, if you underdose, you underdose on those complexes also

I think with all supplements you should adjust the dosages to your size. I have some tubs of protein that suggest 3-4 shakes a day but I ain't. gonna have 100-120g of protein from shakes daily. It's just personal prefrence and too many vitamins is much more dangerous then being low on some Vitamins here and there.

I agree with you considering I am about the same size as you. I would rather underdose and use all of the nutrients than overdose and just piss it out. Just seems like a waste to me.

just take what works for you man...everyone is different and I know people on here who only take 3.....and I agree I rather underdose and play it safe.

[gamecockfan88]

its 6 pills for a reason, and not just to get all those vitamins in there...........


joint support + digestive are in there to, if you underdose, you underdose on those complexes also

Are 3 pills really an under dosage though? It's still well over 100% of your DV on the majority of the nutrients.

[neddo]

250mg of Calcium, and that's your deal breaker?

Do you realize how little 250mg is?

Monitor your piss then. If it's slightly neon, take a pill less; repeat.

[gachase21]

Calcium also builds stong bones, is 250mg really too much?

Yes too much, 250mg calcium in a supplement= triple bypass at 55. Calcium is a critical nutrient you need, but you need to get it from whole foods, the other vitamins are ok to supplement

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Are 3 pills really an under dosage though? It's still well over 100% of your DV on the majority of the nutrients.

if you arent going to take the 6 pills a day of OT, you may as well just buy a multi that fits your needs, like i said, its 6 pills a day for a reason, and NOT just because of the vitamins/minerals.........theres other things in there

[gamecockfan88]

if you arent going to take the 6 pills a day of OT, you may as well just buy a multi that fits your needs, like i said, its 6 pills a day for a reason, and NOT just because of the vitamins/minerals.........theres other things in there

Why can't 3 pills fit my needs? Even half of the "other things" is still sufficient. 1000mg of joint complex, 775mg of flex complex, and 637.5mg of digestion and immune complex seems like a pretty significant amount for a guy my size. I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but it helps to know things and in order to know you have to ask...

[powercage]

Why can't 3 pills fit my needs? Even half of the "other things" is still sufficient. 1000mg of joint complex, 775mg of flex complex, and 637.5mg of digestion and immune complex seems like a pretty significant amount for a guy my size. I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but it helps to know things and in order to know you have to ask...

If you are wishing to simply lower the dosages in the MV complex, you can for sure go with 3 pills. (and it is still better than many other Multis due to the forms of the vitamins/minerals)

Like was said tho, you will not be getting the full complement of the other complexes

[gamecockfan88]

If you are wishing to simply lower the dosages in the MV complex, you can for sure go with 3 pills. (and it is still better than many other Multis due to the forms of the vitamins/minerals)

Like was said tho, you will not be getting the full complement of the other complexes

OK cool. This confirms what I was believing, and I agree with you 100%. I'll stick to 3 pills, and I'm only 22 so half of the other complexes I think will be plenty for my age and size. Thanks for the advice man.

[gamecockfan88]

I think it's a pretty worthwhile supp.

I've already bought the supp., and have been taking it for 2 days now. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and looking forward to reaping the benefits. Just wanted to get some clarification on an idea that I had.

[powercage]

I've already bought the supp., and have been taking it for 2 days now. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and looking forward to reaping the benefits. Just wanted to get some clarification on an idea that I had.

Just keep in mind you will not be getting the full effect of the product

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Just keep in mind you will not be getting the full effect of the product

^^^^^^^

[BenW22]

Yes too much, 250mg calcium in a supplement= triple bypass at 55. Calcium is a critical nutrient you need, but you need to get it from whole foods, the other vitamins are ok to supplement

Show me a study that supports your position. Unfortunately, I cannot find a study specific to men on Pubmed, but I did find this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309935

"Calcium/vitamin D supplementation neither increased nor decreased coronary or cerebrovascular risk"

[gachase21]

Show me a study that supports your position. Unfortunately, I cannot find a study specific to men on Pubmed, but I did find this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309935

"Calcium/vitamin D supplementation neither increased nor decreased coronary or cerebrovascular risk"

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/0...-heart-attack/

There are 3 studies currently in process now that I know of, one of which is set to conclude around April of next year, the finding will be released around July next year. You are correct and that there are no complete published studies yet. It was origaly found on a data mining study on the long term effects of heartburn, as related to Atherosclerosis(harding of arteries) in men over 40. As research found a high percentage relationship. It was in that they discovered the common use of calcium supplements(as a antacid). In further data search , they look at supplement use of calcium in a unrelated use- osteoporosis for women. The preliminary finding showed a relationship between fast acting calcium supplements having an effect on the creation of plaque in arteries. To make things worse, the men were using it at a time their bloodstream contained high amounts of fat and cholesterol, combining with the quick release of calcium, the calcium helped the construction of the plaque. The data still wasn't conclusive enough, So several studies are being completed with some biochemist groups, 2 universities, that i know of. They all agree that calcium is a necessary nutrient. As you could imagine, they will not release the finding until they have very conclusive data, and all research is complete, as many company's will be affected . I can tell you I know of a little inside info about one of the studies, and so far the evidence is overwhelming. The conclusion is likely to end up with a recommendation of a controlled slow release supplement where diet cannot provide enough. None of the current supplements on the market today are slow release enough to be adequate. Either way, if you are young and looking to bulk up, its not going to kill you know, but id personally wait to find out for sure, especially if you have a family history of plaque build up in arteries( I do, father and gradfather had aorta aneurysms in their 50's till then, there is plenty of food you can get enough from

[Farley1324]

I've been taking 3/day for awhile along with 2 oximega fish oil and 2k IU of D3.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/0...-heart-attack/

theres no references in there at all to these studies, its just a fox news report.

[gachase21]

theres no references in there at all to these studies, its just a fox news report.

read the rest of my post, I said there are no published studies, you are correct in that.

[gamecockfan88]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/0...-heart-attack/

There are 3 studies currently in process now that I know of, one of which is set to conclude around April of next year, the finding will be released around July next year. You are correct and that there are no complete published studies yet. It was origaly found on a data mining study on the long term effects of heartburn, as related to Atherosclerosis(harding of arteries) in men over 40. As research found a high percentage relationship. It was in that they discovered the common use of calcium supplements(as a antacid). In further data search , they look at supplement use of calcium in a unrelated use- osteoporosis for women. The preliminary finding showed a relationship between fast acting calcium supplements having an effect on the creation of plaque in arteries. To make things worse, the men were using it at a time their bloodstream contained high amounts of fat and cholesterol, combining with the quick release of calcium, the calcium helped the construction of the plaque. The data still wasn't conclusive enough, So several studies are being completed with some biochemist groups, 2 universities, that i know of. They all agree that calcium is a necessary nutrient. As you could imagine, they will not release the finding until they have very conclusive data, and all research is complete, as many company's will be affected . I can tell you I know of a little inside info about one of the studies, and so far the evidence is overwhelming. The conclusion is likely to end up with a recommendation of a controlled slow release supplement where diet cannot provide enough. None of the current supplements on the market today are slow release enough to be adequate. Either way, if you are young and looking to bulk up, its not going to kill you know, but id personally wait to find out for sure, especially if you have a family history of plaque build up in arteries( I do, father and gradfather had aorta aneurysms in their 50's till then, there is plenty of food you can get enough from

I've heard that 1-1.2 grams of calcium is a good amount of calcium to have as a daily value.

[powercage]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/0...-heart-attack/

Just to play devil's advocate here. "studies that tracked nearly 12,000 elderly people"

I wouldnt want them deadlifting either. There might be a rise in fractures