getting rid of gyno

**gkohler00** · 03-22-2011, 10:52 PM

Would recycle by purus labs help reduce any symptoms of gyno? Or would it benefit to take liquid tamoxifen citrate, or maybe even both together?

**DCutch** · 03-22-2011, 10:54 PM

Nolva to prevent gyno and letrozole to treat it if you already have it.

**gkohler00** · 03-22-2011, 10:57 PM

isn't that stuff basically like arimidex?

**PeanutButterBan** · 03-23-2011, 05:55 AM

See a doctor. /thread

**DanND33** · 03-23-2011, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by DCutch

Nolva to prevent gyno and letrozole to treat it if you already have it.

not even sure we can discuss this shiz, if not, pls no infractions/bans. just let me know and I'll delete this post

DCutch has it going on. if you have it letro will shrink it so much it becomes unnoticeable. google gyno and letro and you should find an old thread from some other site where a guy breaks down the dosage protocol.

Originally Posted by PeanutButterBan

See a doctor. /thread

if it doesn't go away after the letro protocol, ^^^this is your only other option.

**husker3in4** · 03-23-2011, 06:21 AM

Sorry for my stupidity, but what is gyno and how does one get it?

Originally Posted by DanND33

not even sure we can discuss this shiz, if not, pls no infractions/bans. just let me know and I'll delete this post

DCutch has it going on. if you have it letro will shrink it so much it becomes unnoticeable. google gyno and letro and you should find an old thread from some other site where a guy breaks down the dosage protocol.

if it doesn't go away after the letro protocol, ^^^this is your only other option.

**PrepFootball** · 03-23-2011, 06:26 AM

if its gyno from puberty, only option is really to wait it out or surgery...

**Jack_Lupino** · 03-23-2011, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by PrepFootball

if its gyno from puberty, only option is really to wait it out or surgery...

this, unfortunately. i was a fat kid and have had slight gyno my whole life since, even when i was super skinny. sucks because i can't afford liposuction and well i'm pretty self-conscious about it sometimes.

**Ace28** · 03-23-2011, 07:37 AM

raloxifene is the only thing that may help.

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 07:42 AM

Do letrozole or raloxifene have any side effects or do they hinder muscle growth? Also anything that should be avoided with either? I was a fat kid and they stick with me, even when I get to low bf %'s...

EDIT: ^Why no letro?

**TMac26** · 03-23-2011, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by whitesox23

Do letrozole or raloxifene have any side effects or do they hinder muscle growth? Also anything that should be avoided with either? I was a fat kid and they stick with me, even when I get to low bf %'s...

EDIT: ^Why no letro?

Because it gets tossed around here like its a supplement. People don't realize it destroys estrogen. Your joints will be hurting, libido will disappear and it trashes your liver.

**Ace28** · 03-23-2011, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by BenBongRippin

Same with tamoxifen. They both have been clinically proven to substantially reduce and even eradicate gyno of both fatty and glandular types in most users. Letro is not something you want to do. Run nolva at 20mg for 6 weeks.

Raloxifene seems to be as bit better but your right with tamox, it's proven as well. Cheaper and easier to get. If it were me though i'd use the Ralox, since it's the most effective.

Prevention and management of bicalutamide-induced gynecomastia and breast pain: randomized endocrinologic and clinical studies with Tamoxifen and Anastrozole.
Saltzstein D, Sieber P, Morris T, Gallo J.
Urology San Antonio Research PA, Pasteur Medical Plaza, San Antonio, Texas, USA.

A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled multicenter trial involving 107 men receiving bicalutamide ('Casodex') 150 mg/day therapy following radical therapy for prostate cancer assessed Tamoxifen ('Nolvadex') 20 mg/day and Anastrozole ('Arimidex') 1 mg/day for the prophylaxis and treatment of gynecomastia/breast pain. Tamoxifen, but not Anastrozole, significantly reduced the incidence of gynecomastia/breast pain when used prophylactically and therapeutically. Serum testosterone levels increased with Tamoxifen relative to placebo but prostate-specific antigen levels declined in all treatment groups. Further studies are needed to define the optimum Tamoxifen dose and to assess any impact on cancer control. The use of Tamoxifen in this setting remains to be investigated

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Beneficial effects of raloxifene and Tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.
Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

slawrence@cheo.on.ca

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens Tamoxifen and raloxifene in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (Tamoxifen or raloxifene).

RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with Tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving Tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than Tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.

CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to Tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

PMID: 15238910 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by TMac26

Because it gets tossed around here like its a supplement. People don't realize it destroys estrogen. Your joints will be hurting, libido will disappear and it trashes your liver.

Oh gotcha.. Yeah don't want that... So what would be the safest and mildest thing to reverse gyno besides surgery that won't hinder muscle growth or mess up my hormones later on (I'm 18

) Raloxifene or Nolva or anything else?

**TMac26** · 03-23-2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by whitesox23

Oh gotcha.. Yeah don't want that... So what would be the safest and mildest thing to reverse gyno besides surgery that won't hinder muscle growth or mess up my hormones later on (I'm 18

) Raloxifene or Nolva or anything else?

Doctor would be your best bet, they might be able to prescribe you something (nolva, etc) to help treat it.

Self-Medication is not something to take lightly in this instance.

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by TMac26

Doctor would be your best bet, they might be able to prescribe you something (nolva, etc) to help treat it.

I don't really see myself being able to go to a doctor for things like this... I have no problem getting anything, but I'm not about to run anything even semi hormonal without a ton of research on my part first...

**PrepFootball** · 03-23-2011, 08:14 AM

is your gyno from a PH or any hormonal products? if so then you may be able to reverse it... however if its from puberty, it has had years to solidify to the point where it is highly unlikely to get rid of it without surgery, however there are several things to hinder the appearence... dropping to a very low BF% and working on the upper chest so you dont get that droopy ness Gyno usually produces.

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by PrepFootball

is your gyno from a PH or any hormonal products? if so then you may be able to reverse it... however if its from puberty, it has had years to solidify to the point where it is highly unlikely to get rid of it without surgery, however there are several things to hinder the appearence... dropping to a very low BF% and working on the upper chest so you dont get that droopy ness Gyno usually produces.

No, my recent ArA run is the only thing stronger than whey, creatine, and a pre I've used (and EC). I was even tweaking about the Icarrin and 25-R in Max-Out, I would never risk anything in my future. I was just a fat kid and always had b1tch tits even before puberty and they stuck even when I lost the weight. Attached is about a 2 year old pic from when I was at my lowest bf, and therefore the gyno was at its least (but still) noticible point. My chest is my strongest body part and is what I get the most compliments on. I'm not going to tweak hormones without being absolutely sure first, but the more I look into it, it seems like Nolva at 20/day for 4 weeks is safe at my age.

This pic is the MOST MILD my gyno has ever been... Its a worse now up ~40lbs since then

**PrepFootball** · 03-23-2011, 01:15 PM

dude unless it was a professional, the average everyday person would never notice gyno on you, let alone even know what it is..

**haiz69** · 03-23-2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by whitesox23

No, my recent ArA run is the only thing stronger than whey, creatine, and a pre I've used (and EC). I was even tweaking about the Icarrin and 25-R in Max-Out, I would never risk anything in my future. I was just a fat kid and always had b1tch tits even before puberty and they stuck even when I lost the weight. Attached is about a 2 year old pic from when I was at my lowest bf, and therefore the gyno was at its least (but still) noticible point. My chest is my strongest body part and is what I get the most compliments on. I'm not going to tweak hormones without being absolutely sure first, but the more I look into it, it seems like Nolva at 20/day for 4 weeks is safe at my age.

This pic is the MOST MILD my gyno has ever been... Its a worse now up ~40lbs since then

Nolva will do nothing for your gyno if it wasn't recently caused by a hormone cycle or something of the like.

I was also fat and had them through puberty. If you have REAL gyno (formation of lumps), and have had it for a while, then the only option is going to be surgery.

P.S. - I had surgery. So believe me, I did everything I could before I spent 5000 dollars to get it done.

**fujindemon** · 03-23-2011, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by PeanutButterBan

See a doctor. /thread

Why seek real medical attention when your bros on the internet can offer advice?

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by PrepFootball

dude unless it was a professional, the average everyday person would never notice gyno on you, let alone even know what it is..

I know, but I, like everyone on this forum, are more concerned about personal appearance than the average American...

Originally Posted by haiz69

Nolva will do nothing for your gyno if it wasn't recently caused by a hormone cycle or something of the like.

I was also fat and had them through puberty. If you have REAL gyno (formation of lumps), and have had it for a while, then the only option is going to be surgery.

P.S. - I had surgery. So believe me, I did everything I could before I spent 5000 dollars to get it done.

Really nothing? Even if it isn't curing the actual gyno, Nolva binds to estrogen receptors especially in breast tissue. So wouldn't it help with appearance whether it reduces actual gyno tissue or just brest tissue. No way to really see the difference right?

Originally Posted by fujindemon

Why seek real medical attention when your bros on the internet can offer advice?

Lol. Cuz that would require talking to my parents who could not understand why I was wasting money on AAS aka creatine mono

**haiz69** · 03-23-2011, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by whitesox23

Really nothing? Even if it isn't curing the actual gyno, Nolva binds to estrogen receptors especially in breast tissue. So wouldn't it help with appearance whether it reduces actual gyno tissue or just brest tissue. No way to really see the difference right?

If it has been that way for a decent amount of time, then no, I don't believe it will help at all.

The appearance of it can be helped if you are dry, but the actual tissue won't reduce, which is the real gyno.

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by haiz69

If it has been that way for a decent amount of time, then no, I don't believe it will help at all.

The appearance of it can be helped if you are dry, but the actual tissue won't reduce, which is the real gyno.

Dry meaning hormonal free in the past? And helped how?

**EpicGringo** · 03-23-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by whitesox23

Dry meaning hormonal free in the past? And helped how?

Dry meaning low water retention in the skin and low bodyfat.

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by EpicGringo

Dry meaning low water retention in the skin and low bodyfat.

Gotcha. Also I still believe it is gyno, but I can't go to a doctor to confirm. Have all the symptoms, even when lean and dry^ but how can I confirm without a doctor? Not about to start messing with hormones over a theory... I think I have low test, but I'm not going to start shooting test eth lol

**EpicGringo** · 03-23-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by whitesox23

Gotcha. Also I still believe it is gyno, but I can't go to a doctor to confirm. Have all the symptoms, even when lean and dry^ but how can I confirm without a doctor? Not about to start messing with hormones over a theory... I think I have low test, but I'm not going to start shooting test eth lol

Post a picture with decent lighting and I can tell you, it may just be minor gyno which is reversible in most cases with a nolvadex I believe.

**whitesox23** · 03-23-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by haiz69

Nolva will do nothing for your gyno if it wasn't recently caused by a hormone cycle or something of the like.

I was also fat and had them through puberty. If you have REAL gyno (formation of lumps), and have had it for a while, then the only option is going to be surgery.

P.S. - I had surgery. So believe me, I did everything I could before I spent 5000 dollars to get it done.

Originally Posted by EpicGringo

Post a picture with decent lighting and I can tell you, it may just be minor gyno which is reversible in most cases with a nolvadex I believe.

No way to take a picture ATM lol. Phone in that pic was long broken, then stolen haha. What do you have to say to haiz69's quote saying nolva will do nothing if it was not self imposed gyno (besides allowing myself to become a fat@ss kid lol)

**Jack_Lupino** · 03-23-2011, 09:05 PM

you call THAT gyno?

LOLWTFBBQ??!?!?!?!?!!!1111eleven.

dude i don't care if you've gained 40lbs. i seriously doubt you have gyno now, maybe you're just fat.

totally serious. even when i weighed 40lbs. less than i do now my nipples were at least 2x bigger than that + i still had a bit of soft tissue at the bottom.

you don't have gyno, you have body dysmorphic disorder. instead of going to an MD for anti estrogen meds you might want to consider seeing a shrink for some head meds.

**acwild** · 03-23-2011, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jack_Lupino

As stated, unless you've edited, photoshoped, or used hard flash lighting with just the right angle in the image above, that is not gyno. (unless it's the wrong photo?)

Below is what gynecomastia (gyno) looks like, both the "puffy nipple" type and the "man boobs" type.

**DanielPF** · 03-23-2011, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jack_Lupino

you call THAT gyno?

LOLWTFBBQ??!?!?!?!?!!!1111eleven.

dude i don't care if you've gained 40lbs. i seriously doubt you have gyno now, maybe you're just fat.

totally serious. even when i weighed 40lbs. less than i do now my nipples were at least 2x bigger than that + i still had a bit of soft tissue at the bottom.

you don't have gyno, you have body dysmorphic disorder. instead of going to an MD for anti estrogen meds you might want to consider seeing a shrink for some head meds.

For the love of God, this. After gyno surgery my chest did not even look that good (no homo). If anything you have BDD like Jack mentioned, which is actually more prevalent then most think....it is just sort of an unspoken topic, especially among guys.

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