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03-24-2011, 03:53 PM #61
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03-24-2011, 03:55 PM #62
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03-24-2011, 03:56 PM #63
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03-24-2011, 04:24 PM #64
I'm going to go with no. If your body isn't in ketosis this means you aren't creating ketones which means you aren't fat adapted. When you then deplete and refeed most of the carbs may go to glycogen but I would bet more is stored than if you were previously in keto. Also, any excess fat consumed will be more easily stored because of lack of fat adaptation.
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03-25-2011, 04:50 AM #65
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03-25-2011, 06:00 AM #66
No, I have seen no evidence that you would see that.
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03-25-2011, 06:48 AM #67
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03-26-2011, 01:56 AM #73
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Low carb or ketogenic diets work for one or more of the following reasons:
1. Most people get better results from low carb diets for the simple fact that their diets improve when they make the switch. Protein and veggie intakes tend to go up a lot and this leads to much better satiety and diet compliance compared to a generic high carb diet.
2. Is there a metabolic advantage to low carb diets? Of course there is. As protein intake makes up a larger percentage of calories consumed, diet induced thermogenesis (DIT) increases. A 2000-calorie diet compromised of 40% protein is superior to a 2000-calorie diet compromised of 20% protein. The difference would roughly be on the order of 95 calories in favor of the first diet. A small difference (small enough to not be detected in studies), but a difference nonetheless. However, the metabolic advantage is due to protein and not specifically related to the carb content of the diet like some people want to believe. If we compare a high carb, high protein (40%), low fat diet to low carb, high protein (40%), high fat diet we wouldn't see a detectable difference in DIT.
3. Some people do in fact feel better on low carb diets and it has nothing to do with the greater satiety from increased protein or veggie intakes. Just like some people feel better on higher carb diets. Problem is a lot of people tend to place themselves in the low carb-category without really having tried the middle ground. My experience is that a lot of people who readily label themselves as "carb-sensitive" do very well on a moderate carb-approach with the great majority of carbs coming from tubers, fruit, veggies and the occasional starch source.
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03-26-2011, 09:09 AM #74
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03-26-2011, 09:18 AM #77
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the entire goal of ketogenic diet is to get into ketosis. switching from your brain's primary source (carbohydrates: glucose, etc.) to fat (lipids).
maybe he is just not coming across correctly, but i dont know what he is talking about.
you will not lose tons of fat without being in ketosis. thats the entire point of the diet.psn: mdksniper
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03-26-2011, 09:26 AM #78
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03-26-2011, 10:20 AM #84
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03-26-2011, 10:43 AM #85
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03-26-2011, 11:46 AM #86
The Ketogenic Diet, Lyle McDonald page112;
"All of this data suggests that dietary fat is not a anecessary part of a ketogenic dier from a metabolic or adaptational standpoint as ketosis will readily develop without the consumption of dietary fat.From a strictly metabolic standpoint,there appears to be no difference in a ketogenic diet which contains fat and one which does not contain fat"
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03-26-2011, 08:07 PM #87
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03-26-2011, 10:18 PM #88
I guess fat is there to keep you full and it's necessary to produce hormones.. And with no fat in your diet you will be depressed, but no need to eat 200 grams of fat so you "eat fat to burn fat." Judging from Lyle McDonald is like the god of ketogenic diets and his books are the bibles of it,i doubt any broscience around the forums can prove him wrong.
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03-27-2011, 12:59 PM #89
Another great premise and argument of why the low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diets should and must be higher in fat intake, moderate in protein and low in carbs is because in order for the body to be in a efficient state of fat burning insulin levels should remain low. And according to nutrition science fats is the only macronutrient that doesn't have any rising effect on insulin, while protein and carbohydrates both rise the insulin levels. Before i thought that carbohydrates was the only macronutrient that elevated insulin. But from what i read in this website, protein can rise insulin levels. So that's why we can come to the conclusion that to be in a very efficient fat burning physiological state fat intake has to be higher, protein moderate, and carbs real low.
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