why no fat plus carbs in the same meal need a good answer

[nolimitsfor2003]

I know you are not suppose to have stuff like pnb sandwiches etc so I dont do that but I am trying to help my friend shed those pounds and I need a good answer of why you are suppose to so i can explain to him

thanks

[as0l0]

i'm looking forward to this too since I reckon if you have a calorie deficit then you could eat spoonfulls of sugar and oil all day and still lose fat.

but only if your protien is good.

[HammyAbeer]

Tell him 'its all about the insulin baby.'

Dont hike insulin while eating fats. High GI carbs hike the insulin, therefore triggering the body to store fat. No fat in the meal, no problem.

[as0l0]

how do you figure that your body will store fat when it is spending more calories than you consume ?

spend 3000 cals
eat 2500 cals

what will it store as fat ?

where are the 500+ cals required to store fat ?

[Skumster225]

my understanding is that your body uses both fats and carbs for energy.. if you consume both of these in the same meal than only one can be used as fuel (the carbs), and one is stored (the fat)..

[Skumster225]

I don't exactly like that whole calorie counting theory and here is why:

If 12 x BW = 2000 than 15 x BW = 2490.. Daily I would have a 490 calorie deficiency.. 490 x 7 = 3430 cals a week.. That is basically 1lb a week with no cardio.. Now since I am calorie deficient it should be fat right? wrong! What if my 2490 cals a day were from 2 big macs, an apple pie, 5 oreo cookies, and 2 protein shakes.. Obviously from that resume of foods, I would not be losing fat.. I feel when you manipulate your nutrition to get the right ratio it is more effective than calorie counting.. I have done both and they do not compare!

[as0l0]

ok, so your body uses both fats and carbs for energy (and protien if required), and your body is using more energy than your are giving it (eating), so what is it exactly that is being stored as fat ?

edit: why would you not be losing fat with that menu ? please understand that I'm not trying to say one side or the other is wrong, I just want to understand.

[Skumster225]

edit: why would you not be losing fat with that menu ? please understand that I'm not trying to say one side or the other is wrong, I just want to understand.

that is not what i ate but rather an example to show you.. there is no way you would lose fat, but rather muscle..the main point I was trying to get at is that it is more important what you eat that the calorie amount.. Weight you will lose and if your fine with jumping on the scale every week and being down a few pounds but i rather use the mirror as my judge.. I did a 8 week cutting cycle, lost 1lb and look 25x better.. How? Giving my body the nutritional breakdown it works best with...

[as0l0]

I certainly also do what you do. I eat clean and I eat for what I think my body needs, ie. protien for muscle, carbs for energy.

I do that because it seems like common sense, but my main aim is to keep a calorie deficit.

I think if you ate the skumster special diet, you would (probably) lose equal amounts (approx.) of muscle and fat, but you would still lose fat.

but still we come back to the original question, why not mix carbs with fat. if you eat clean then sheesh, why would you not ? I mean if I eat a bowl of brown rice and then have 4 or 5 fish oil caps, is that fat going to be stored ? or if I have a peanut butter sandwich, is that peanut butter going to fat ? how can it if I'm in a calorie deficit ? surely my body requires ALL of the cals from that meal.....

[Skumster225]

the best way it can be put

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...of_mar2001.htm

[mrader59]

Hey Skumster

What ratio did you use while cutting and explain the 1 pound loss while looking 25x better.

[Skumster225]

I basically lost fat while adding lean muscle however people on this board will tell you that its not possible.. That is when I suggest you get in contact with Swolecat.. Ratio wise, for the respect of the guys program, I cant give you that...

[as0l0]

i'm not really equiped to argue with John Berardi, but I'll just make a couple of points and post a link or 2 so we can hopefully continue this debate.

1. I notice in that link that Berardi says that doing xyz COULD cause fat gain. Always COULD never will or does or "this is a fact"

2. There's no links to any research ?

anyways here's some links which I hope are of use in answering the question.

http://groups.google.com.au/groups?h...nr.com&rnum=62

http://groups.google.com.au/groups?h...itness.weights

[BullDozer]

The logic behind it makes sense.