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    BCAA & Whey

    Im trying BCAA for the first time but not sure how to take. It says take 2 scoops (5g scoop) daily.
    I was thinking pre & post workout.

    I also take Whey pre & post workout, is it ok to take the BCAA the same time as the whey? (not mixed together)

    I take Whey at breakfast time and before bed too, I thought I'd add that in.

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    Originally Posted by slim2007 View Post
    Im trying BCAA for the first time but not sure how to take. It says take 2 scoops (5g scoop) daily.
    I was thinking pre & post workout.

    I also take Whey pre & post workout, is it ok to take the BCAA the same time as the whey? (not mixed together)

    I take Whey at breakfast time and before bed too, I thought I'd add that in.

    Thanks
    I would take the BCAA pre and post workout. And continue taking Whey at breakfast time, post workout and before bed.
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    Thanks for the reply, so no pre workout whey?

    Do I not take the BCAA on off days?
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    Take a serving before you workout, and a serving after with your post workout shake. Skip the pre workout whey.
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    I personally use BCAA's 4-6 times a day. First thing in the morning, pre, intra, post and then again before bed. If you have unflavored yes you can mix it in with your shakes as well. And use it everyday, this is an essential supplement for every goal and stack. On your off days you can cut back to 2 scoops if you want, but I run 4-6 everyday.
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    whey is all around better. in a serving of whey isolate there will be more luecine and other essential amino acids than there is in almost any bcaa supplement. bcaa's are overall not as good. most blends are derived from soy protein which is a source that is not as rich in amino acids as wpi is.

    just in case ppl dont know... amino acids are what protein is composed of.
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    i take bcaas pre and post workout. i also mix my bcaa with my post workout protein. i don't take it on off days though.
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    biggest thing to look at is how much is in each scoop, some brands have more than others (individual amino acids per gram serving) if that makes sense.
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    L-Isoleucine 1,250mg
    L-Leucine 2,250mg
    L-Valine 1,500mg

    It says take 2 servings daily and do not exceed stated dose, that's why I'm just globed for pre + post workout
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    Ok guys, the whey I used was a cheap unflavoured whey concentrate (myprotein.co.uk)

    Now I jut got my ON whey isolates which say have 5.5g of BCAA including Leucine, Isoleucine and valine....is it pointless having both whey + bcaa powder at the samet ime after workout?
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    The BCAAs in your ON Whey are not added Free Form BCAAs. They are within the protein chains of the whey.

    Free form BCAAs do not need to be broken down like whey does and will cause a much more rapid spike in blood amino levels. This is why people by separate BCAAs.

    Also it should not cause you any harm to take more then the recommended dosage of BCAAs if you choose since BCAAs are just protein. If your cutting and counting calories use the same generic rule of 4 calories per gram protein, although you probably shouldn't get more then like 80 calories a day max from BCAAs since beyond that your just blowing your money away.
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    Originally Posted by itzDodge View Post
    Free form BCAAs ...will cause a much more rapid spike in blood amino levels. This is why people by separate BCAAs.
    I believe many people who supplement with free form aminos have no understanding about insulin elevations. Recommending using free form BCAA at the same time as whey is quite confusing to me. Recommending using BCAA intra or post workout is confusing if the person has taken any quality protein pre workout, and assuming the workout is not some marathon event.
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    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    I believe many people who supplement with free form aminos have no understanding about insulin elevations. Recommending using free form BCAA at the same time as whey is quite confusing to me. Recommending using BCAA intra or post workout is confusing if the person has taken any quality protein pre workout, and assuming the workout is not some marathon event.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16507602

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056791

    Leucine is good stuff.

    Edit: Free Form leucine like found in BCAAs. Leucine from whole protein sources causes much less significant spikes.
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    Originally Posted by itzDodge View Post
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16507602

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056791

    Leucine is good stuff.

    Edit: Free Form leucine like found in BCAAs. Leucine from whole protein sources causes much less significant spikes.
    So effing what? Did you understand my point about pre workout nutrition?

    To make my point, here is an excerpt from the second study you linked:

    "In summary, our data suggest that a leucine-enriched EAA+CHO solution ingested 1 h following a single bout of resistance exercise enhances muscle protein synthesis beyond exercise alone in association with enhanced mTOR, S6K1, and 4E-BP1 phosphorylation."

    Okay, well, those subjects did not eat since 10pm the night before. That's called fasted exercise. Is that how you train? If you have protein before you train, you will be in a very different situation than the folks in that study.

    In general, insulin levels peak at about 60-90 minutes after eating a meal, and will still remain elevated within a range shown to maximize muscle protein balance for 3 hours after eating.
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    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    So effing what? Did you understand my point about pre workout nutrition?

    To make my point, here is an excerpt from the second study you linked:

    "In summary, our data suggest that a leucine-enriched EAA+CHO solution ingested 1 h following a single bout of resistance exercise enhances muscle protein synthesis beyond exercise alone in association with enhanced mTOR, S6K1, and 4E-BP1 phosphorylation."

    Okay, well, those subjects did not eat since 10pm the night before. That's called fasted exercise. Is that how you train? If you have protein before you train, you will be in a very different situation than the folks in that study.

    In general, insulin levels peak at about 60-90 minutes after eating a meal, and will still remain elevated within a range shown to maximize muscle protein balance for 3 hours after eating.
    First off relax dude its a forum not a presidential debate no need to freak out.

    Eating before working out and being fasted are going to put you in different states. That's a big duh.

    Leucine has many other uses as well. For example supplementing with FF Leucine in between meals can spike muscle protein synthesis. The kid already bought the stuff I'm just sharing what I know to help him out.
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    Been googling this aswell as posting it here and still finding conflicting answers....arrrrggghhhh

    "whey has BCAAs in them so don't waste your money"

    "taking stand alone BCAAs work better as they're absorbed quicker"

    Also found another thread about it
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    Originally Posted by slim2007 View Post
    Im trying BCAA for the first time but not sure how to take. It says take 2 scoops (5g scoop) daily.
    I was thinking pre & post workout.

    I also take Whey pre & post workout, is it ok to take the BCAA the same time as the whey? (not mixed together)

    I take Whey at breakfast time and before bed too, I thought I'd add that in.

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    Of course its okay to take them at the same time.

    I recommend taking your whey protein 1 hour pre-workout with some carbs such as fruit. Then either take your BCAA during your workout(intra workout) or... do what i do and take it with your gatorade post workout(after your workout).

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    I usually just add 2 scoops to my morning shake.
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    Take the BCAA when you wake up and before you go to bed.

    Take the Whey when you wake up and post-workout.

    That's how I would do it.

    Just seems like the body would accept it better over-night or right when you wake up and your body is starving for nutrients.
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    Whey protein is absorbed/uptaken quickly, and great for pre-workout or post-workout..However a Whey/Casein blend is a better option.. Whey does NOT stop muscle cannibalism during the night.. protect the muscle with Casein..Everyone"s nutritional requirments are different...1 scoop is 90cc.. you can add additional consuption as needed..

    Originally Posted by slim2007 View Post
    Im trying BCAA for the first time but not sure how to take. It says take 2 scoops (5g scoop) daily.
    I was thinking pre & post workout.

    I also take Whey pre & post workout, is it ok to take the BCAA the same time as the whey? (not mixed together)

    I take Whey at breakfast time and before bed too, I thought I'd add that in.

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    Originally Posted by SteveGolds View Post
    Take the BCAA when you wake up and before you go to bed.

    Take the Whey when you wake up and post-workout.

    That's how I would do it.

    Just seems like the body would accept it better over-night or right when you wake up and your body is starving for nutrients.
    free flowing bcaa's are absorbed instantly by the intestine.
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    Originally Posted by Nosparkplugs View Post
    Whey does NOT stop muscle cannibalism during the night..
    Guess what? You will not lose any LBM overnight. You may like to see Intermittent fasting does not affect whole-body glucose, lipid, or protein metabolism, Maarten R Soeters, et.al Am J Clin Nutr 90: 1244-1251, November 2009 in which subjects underwent periods of 20 hour fasting cycles and exhibited no measurable LBM loss.

    There is no published research anywhere in the world that I am aware of that indicates ingesting the "wrong type" of protein pre-bed will result in LBM loss.
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    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    I believe many people who supplement with free form aminos have no understanding about insulin elevations. Recommending using free form BCAA at the same time as whey is quite confusing to me. Recommending using BCAA intra or post workout is confusing if the person has taken any quality protein pre workout, and assuming the workout is not some marathon event.
    Great post, and fantastic advice. I'm certainly not an advocate of free form amino's or bcaa's under the vast majority of conditions. Pre-workout nutrition is extremely important.

    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    Guess what? You will not lose any LBM overnight. You may like to see Intermittent fasting does not affect whole-body glucose, lipid, or protein metabolism, Maarten R Soeters, et.al Am J Clin Nutr 90: 1244-1251, November 2009 in which subjects underwent periods of 20 hour fasting cycles and exhibited no measurable LBM loss.

    There is no published research anywhere in the world that I am aware of that indicates ingesting the "wrong type" of protein pre-bed will result in LBM loss.
    Intermittent fasting has put the nail in that coffin!
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    Blahh.blahh;;.blahhh while study data is great to throw around...everyone's metabolsim is different..20hours fasting is not going to promote protein synthesis or muscule growth..so you may have a point, but no muscle growth is going to happen!!!!! I could not imagine lifting and going 20hours without food either..spiking blood sugar levels immediatley after a workout promotes muscle growth..Immediate post-workout nutrition is key to muscle growth..pre-work-out nutrtion is important, but it's effects vary depending on the person..

    Whey protein before bed is a waste, Casein takes longer to break down. BCAA's are included in most Mass-gainers or Whey proteins too..


    Originally Posted by snorkelman View Post
    Guess what? You will not lose any LBM overnight. You may like to see Intermittent fasting does not affect whole-body glucose, lipid, or protein metabolism, Maarten R Soeters, et.al Am J Clin Nutr 90: 1244-1251, November 2009 in which subjects underwent periods of 20 hour fasting cycles and exhibited no measurable LBM loss.

    There is no published research anywhere in the world that I am aware of that indicates ingesting the "wrong type" of protein pre-bed will result in LBM loss.
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