Primordal?

[csvt18]

I started a war.

[athenrye]

Which for someone like your friend, they probably do not need to look any further than SD. Like I said I don't hate the compound, I just call it for what it is. How often do you see guys run SD and come out of it with single digit HDL numbers, extreme liver toxicity, and gains that on average most don't keep over time. I'm not trying to discredit SD, but to think how easily a price tag can be come too much for health, is kinda saddening.

You guys made plenty of money off the back of SD without losing a wink of sleep so spare us your sadness at its toxicity and negative impact on lipids. If you really gave a sht about that you'd never have sold it.

[HereToStudy]

I hate this bandwagon bashing, seriously. I bet that 90% of people bashing in this thread have never tried/used any product from PP. Personally, I think that they have some excellent products, such as their high-dosed phosphatidylersine product, their preworkout product with GLCAR and hydr-casein; then their transdermal products (e.g. sustain alpha) and the mixed tocopherols/tocotrienols. All really good stuff. I am not into the PH thing so I don't judge this part of their business, but in general, PP appears to be intelligent and innovative people, bringing some new stuff to the table. LOL at people complaining about the price of some products: Dudes, we are living in a capitalistic market: If people feel a product isn't worth the money they simply won't purchase it, it's that simple. You guys are aware that the sum of costs of all individual parts of a lambo may cost only 20% of the price you have to pay for the car? Yeah, you pay more than the parts may be worth it, but there still more than enough people being happy to purchase a lamborghini because they find it cool.

I wish I could physically shake your hand. Thank you for the addition of reason to this thread.

The only point I'm going to bring here is that the spirit of the law is to prevent citizen from consuming thing that are dangerous to their health.

If it need close monitoring of health condition or recovery procedures other than just waiting, then it's a drug and need to have doctor supervision.

Sure the law is implemented using general conditions and a blacklist.


There are well sustained rumors that the whole AI category is going to be moved as a drug because general people don't have the knowledge to properly use it. And

Sure things can be legal because of the current implementation of the law, but if it does not folow the spirit as interpreted by FDA, it's only legal until it's illegal.

These products are not an AI. We can get into discussion over power of the FDA, and who chooses what I can put into my own body, but this isn't a political forum. With that said, I would confidently state that these products are a step up in terms of safety from current OTC hormonal products.

I started a war.

No, its all good. You asked a legit question. It caused the same crew that can be found in any other thread about our products to pop up and start their usual argument.

You guys made plenty of money off the back of SD without losing a wink of sleep so spare us your sadness at its toxicity and negative impact on lipids. If you really gave a sht about that you'd never have sold it.

Plenty of money? Hardly to industry standards. I have addressed this before. We are a business, and the market had a demand. We met the demand with a 1000 unit run (Immensely small by industry standards, in fact our first 1000 run of each androseries product sold out in a couple of weeks). Since then we have literally been begged to bring it back, numerous people claiming it was the best SD they have tried since AX. However, Eric continually refused to. No matter how many people promised to purchase XX quantities, he refused to bring the product back out. If you look back at when we were selling it, the company talked about the toxicity in the same exact way they talk about it now.

[halberstram]

MLMG won't give you 8-15lbs.

I am curious about Trenazone actually.

[Dymethazine]

Which for someone like your friend, they probably do not need to look any further than SD. Like I said I don't hate the compound, I just call it for what it is. How often do you see guys run SD and come out of it with single digit HDL numbers, extreme liver toxicity, and gains that on average most don't keep over time. I'm not trying to discredit SD, but to think how easily a price tag can be come too much for health, is kinda saddening.

everything can/will return back to normal within a just a few weeks after pct even with superdrol, boladrol etc.

what makes you think people wont lose their gains on these super expensive products making the cost even less worth it? atleast with sd you only spend like $10 per cycle.

and come on marketing bs will sell anything to uninformed people with money to blow. look at some of the top total bs supplements out there. that means absolutely nothing. it just shows how stupid many poeple are.

[HereToStudy]

everything can/will return back to normal within a just a few weeks after pct even with superdrol, boladrol etc.

what makes you think people wont lose their gains on these super expensive products making the cost even less worth it? atleast with sd you only spend like $10 per cycle.

I'm sorry, I'm not responding to this too much further. I am here to support our products, not teach AAS preschool. If you think every cycle just returns to normal, buy yourself a book.

[em-dubya]

MLMG won't give you 8-15lbs.

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8lbs..?? yes it can

[Dymethazine]

I'm sorry, I'm not responding to this too much further. I am here to support our products, not teach AAS preschool. If you think every cycle just returns to normal, buy yourself a book.

i said can/will didnt say it always does. there is lots of info/bloodwork to back this up including my own so go teach yourself some preschool about aas ok?

[halberstram]

8lbs..?? yes it can

Solo?

[em-dubya]

Solo?

Yes.....Yo're not doing it right if not

[DanND33]

8lbs..?? yes it can

sounds sexy

[Bakerderek0]

i have some dermacrine on my shoulders/upper back right now. loving it PP! I also have a TRS waiting for me in the cabinet.

[HereToStudy]

i have some dermacrine on my shoulders/upper back right now. loving it PP! I also have a TRS waiting for me in the cabinet.

Happy to see you enjoy the products!

[Primordial Perf]

I got a new windows mobile phone today

[U.S.M.C. TANKER]

I just got 4 bottles of P-mag, 60 tabs of clomid, bunch of liv.52 and Cq-10. All for $130. Feels good to not waste money on garbage that would of cost me $160 by it self. But damn...how am I going to get help on supplements, diet and steroids from the professionals? All I need is 60 minutes of help. HALP???

[halberstram]

I got a new windows mobile phone today

Eric, I know most people are pretty much dismissing your Androseries as useless, but I want to keep an open mind. How would equate the strength of Andromass to previous PH's you have carried, specifically the LV Hdrol.

[athenrye]

MLMG won't give you 8-15lbs.

I am curious about Trenazone actually.

M-LMG is a solid bulker. I've just finished my 3rd week and am already up 8lbs and have high expectations of being 15lbs+ by the end of the cycle. I realize it's wet but still, if I can hold half of that after PCT that would be 8lbs of mass gained for just £50. Other logs show gains of over 20lbs and not from noobs either.

[Primordial Perf]

Eric, I know most people are pretty much dismissing your Androseries as useless, but I want to keep an open mind. How would equate the strength of Andromass to previous PH's you have carried, specifically the LV Hdrol.

Methyls like Hdrol produce a pretty quick increase in intracellular water which leads to the quick "pump" effect. This effect is more gradual with AndroMass, and again, it will act more like testosterone in this regard and take a couple weeks for these effects to become obvious.

-Eric

[halberstram]

Methyls like Hdrol produce a pretty quick increase in intracellular water which leads to the quick "pump" effect. This effect is more gradual with AndroMass, and again, it will act more like testosterone in this regard and take a couple weeks for these effects to become obvious.

-Eric

Test is usually run for longer period of time, like 10 weeks. Wouldn't taking something like Andromass (4 weeks) only start producing effects during that 4th week?

[Primordial Perf]

Test is usually run for longer period of time, like 10 weeks. Wouldn't taking something like Andromass (4 weeks) only start producing effects during that 4th week?

My first cycle ever was TE for 6 weeks and I gained about 20lbs, so I dont think that you need to run test for 10 weeks to see gains.

Plus, max levels are achieved within 3 hours on AndroMass whereas an injectable oil takes weeks to reach peak plasma levels.

Gains should become visually noticeable within 2 weeks on AndroMass. Psychological and strength gains may become noticeable sooner.

-Eric

[halberstram]

My first cycle ever was TE for 6 weeks and I gained about 20lbs, so I dont think that you need to run test for 10 weeks to see gains.

Plus, max levels are achieved within 3 hours on AndroMass whereas an injectable oil takes weeks to reach peak plasma levels.

Gains should become visually noticeable within 2 weeks on AndroMass. Psychological and strength gains may become noticeable sooner.

-Eric

And you guys will always offer 100% money refund in the form of cash? Not store credit or anything? If so, I may try it out later this year.

[csvt18]

And you guys will always offer 100% money refund in the form of cash? Not store credit or anything? If so, I may try it out later this year.

Lmao

[halberstram]

Lmao

What is so funny?

[338lapuaAI]

My first cycle ever was TE for 6 weeks and I gained about 20lbs, so I dont think that you need to run test for 10 weeks to see gains.

-Eric

Was this cycle for your upcoming role in Rocky 4 or Universal Soldier?

[Adjusting]

i have some dermacrine on my shoulders/upper back right now. loving it PP! I also have a TRS waiting for me in the cabinet.

I sure miss Dermacrine

[TheBigVtron]

I sure miss Dermacrine

Dermacrine blew me away. Which one of these is closest to dermacrine??

[HereToStudy]

Dermacrine blew me away. Which one of these is closest to dermacrine??

Which would work optimally is dependent on your goals. Really the closest would be AndroLean, which provides a low dose test conversion, however this is coupled with a thermogenic so may not be the best choice for trying to gain weight.

AndroMass would be more suitable for a bulk, but its significantly stronger than Dermacrine was.

[HereToStudy]

I sure miss Dermacrine

Given your enjoyment of Dermacrine, another product that was touted as "just DHEA," do you think you will be giving one of the AndroSeries products a run?

[GoodGrip]

Given your enjoyment of Dermacrine, another product that was touted as "just DHEA," do you think you will be giving one of the AndroSeries products a run?

The Androseries is goin to break so many myths about dhea and what can be accomplished when altering them.

[RonSalmon]

About the new Androlean..is this something that will need PCT after just 4 weeks at 6 softgels a day?