Primordal?

[csvt18]

Anyone heard of a brand called primordalperformance?? They claim to have "come up with an actual legal steriod".... They claim it's non liver toxic, safe to use, legal in the US... I don't see how a steriod can be legal... when they claim even you can fail a drug test using it. Also, they even state it causes shut down, and you need to use PCT after your cycle....


Anyone come across these guys?

[Dymethazine]

brb paying $320 on sale for a cycle of dhea.

[Eshamed51]

Yes i have heard of them! They claim many things that make me rage and go into a kind of manic coma. Legal Steroids!!!!????!!!!!! that is crazy talk and i will hear none of it sir.

[Eshamed51]

brb paying $320 on sale for a cycle of dhea.

It's SUPER DHEA bro!

[csvt18]

So pretty much just bull**** marketing.

[Eshamed51]

So pretty much just bull**** marketing.

primordial performance is most definitely bs marketing but here is the thing they sell these ph's at a very high price with no COA, no beta testers, no real proof that they will work and did i mention the amazingly high price. Also they suggest dangerous pct theories and make my head spin.

They will reply wait for the log bro or look at my 80 links to studies that don't really prove anything. Or you're a hater and we already ripped 1000 people off, pay 150$ to talk to me.

[U.S.M.C. TANKER]

Products from PP = Over priced, over-hyped, and just pure garbage.

[GoodGrip]

Will minds change when the logs are done and say otherwise?

[kiwidave1]

It's a real shame because PP had a great rep and offered solid products. I think they have really butched the release of the Andro series and their reputation is now in the gutter.

Of course we may not be their target market any more,that said I could afford their products if there was any proof that they worked but no logs, no beta testers and I am not going to drop my cash on being a lab rat.

I am currently enjoying my second to last bottle of PP Turinabol and it is a solid product from what was a solid company. I will keep my eye out for logs and reviews but *shrugs* don't really care that much about PP any more.

a 12 week cycle of test E $135, support & PCT chems $115 =$250.

30 day supply of Andromass= $200.

Yea, I know which one I am going to choose.

[kiwidave1]

Will minds change when the logs are done and say otherwise?

Where can we view these above mentioned logs?????

Scrap that,found on your website...... will follow.

[hyper.radio]

i heard about the andro series but not much else, i tried the vitaberry product and their bcaa a few yrs ago - no complaints on either. iirc they were a reputable brand back then, at least on this board, then they vanished. cant speak on the andro series, personally i have zero interest in it

[krs128]

they got good bulk creapure, beta alanine and ajipure BCAA for a good price. and vitaberry is legit good, but expensive.

[xjdesertfox]

not a fan of the andro series, aside from that i've heard good things about them. And many people like them on the other board.

[csvt18]

Primordial Slime...that should be the name of this company. One merely look at heir marketing tatics - reps and PP forum mods presnting themselves as unbiased consumers touting and pushing products in forums all over the net. 3 reps banned at sroid . com for this , sroidology threads full of undercover PP reps and an undercover pp forum mod ..it goes on and on. So shady that if they offered me free product i wouldnt take it..oh wait - they did and i declined. This new line is full of flaws that will show themselves...i would trust the logs about as much as i trust the company- not at all- but the truth will come out.
Wonder how people will deal with all the adverse sides from cyp supression? Wonder how glorified dhea can equal 400+ mgs of test? Wonder how drug metabolism varies greatly with grapefruit in pharma compounds...yet we are to believe everyone using this will get the optimal "benefit" (like you can call decreased metabolism of toxins, estrogen , progesterone , and so on a benfit! *LOL)
Ive heard rumor that this product is destined for FDA elimination anyway...so it will most likely be a moot point.

That's why there so expensive.. makin their dough now before they get shut down by the FDA.

[338lapuaAI]

Only way this new line will do anything is if it's spiked with some DMT.

[HereToStudy]

Yay, another one of these threads.

Anyone heard of a brand called primordalperformance?? They claim to have "come up with an actual legal steriod".... They claim it's non liver toxic, safe to use, legal in the US... I don't see how a steriod can be legal... when they claim even you can fail a drug test using it. Also, they even state it causes shut down, and you need to use PCT after your cycle....


Anyone come across these guys?

I am not sure at what level of research you have achieved in the world of AAS, PHs, etc.. So I'm not to sure how to approach your question. These are hormonal products, and they are legal (100% compliant with DSHEA). From a "legality" standpoint, when the common crop of methyl steroids sold OTC are banned, these products will remain.

brb paying $320 on sale for a cycle of dhea.

This comment is boring and old. We are not selling a DHEA pill. Your comment here is as if someone said "What do you guys think of two story houses?" and I responded "BRB spending 500k on a pile of bricks."

Yes i have heard of them! They claim many things that make me rage and go into a kind of manic coma. Legal Steroids!!!!????!!!!!! that is crazy talk and i will hear none of it sir.

Since you seem very well educated on hormonal products (cough), I welcome you to explain to me how these are either: a.) Not hormonal b.) Not legal.

It's SUPER DHEA bro!

Comments like this discredit your arguments.

So pretty much just bull**** marketing.

Which part of our marketing do you disagree with? Not a single claim made can not be supported, so explain which you would like me to entertain.

primordial performance is most definitely bs marketing but here is the thing they sell these ph's at a very high price with no COA, no beta testers, no real proof that they will work and did i mention the amazingly high price. Also they suggest dangerous pct theories and make my head spin.

They will reply wait for the log bro or look at my 80 links to studies that don't really prove anything. Or you're a hater and we already ripped 1000 people off, pay 150$ to talk to me.

With the no COA are you implying that we do not perform quality control testing previous to releasing these? Not sure where you are getting this information from. You do understand that these products received a significant delay specifically because the initial batch could not pass our quality demands?

Your argument is amusing. Couple posts ago, you claim we are just selling DHEA. Now you are upset for the lack of beta testing? These products contain base hormones that have been utilized previously. The value in the product comes from how these products deliver the hormones, and these was in house testing on the delivery method, as well as being supported by the studies you mentioned. I love an "internet bro" who claims studies are irrelevant.

Which PCT theory is dangerous? Again you are countering your own argument of these being "just DHEA," but what do you disagree about our PCT methods?

Why is the consultations such a big deal to people? If you don't like it, don't purchase them. The person who has countless hours to troll forums probably doesn't need them. We have already had people who have used the consultation and came out of it with very pleased. Not everyone can spend the amount of time researching as people like you or I. Nor do they want to have to distinguish between the broscience and fact.

Products from PP = Over priced, over-hyped, and just pure garbage.

Yet you can't provide one reason to support your claim.

It's a real shame because PP had a great rep and offered solid products. I think they have really butched the release of the Andro series and their reputation is now in the gutter.

Of course we may not be their target market any more,that said I could afford their products if there was any proof that they worked but no logs, no beta testers and I am not going to drop my cash on being a lab rat.

I am currently enjoying my second to last bottle of PP Turinabol and it is a solid product from what was a solid company. I will keep my eye out for logs and reviews but *shrugs* don't really care that much about PP any more.

a 12 week cycle of test E $135, support & PCT chems $115 =$250.

30 day supply of Andromass= $200.

Yea, I know which one I am going to choose.

Sorry to hear that you don't care for the products anymore. Unfortunately, the argument about running a test cycle as opposed to the Mass product is getting redundant. There are many people who do not want to expose themselves to the legal risks involved with test injections. Did that cycle come to you from an Rx? Doubt it based on prices you stated. You also are excluding Western Union fees (assuming online purchase, 90% of current community), the fact that it is a felony to import these products, at any level, state to state transfer is also a felony, and it could be a felony under local laws. You ignore the fact that most of what is available is a UGL that you don't know if it was made in a compliant lab, or some guy's bathtub. You have no idea of the purity, other than what a bottle says, and you have to deal with injections.

I am not against AAS usage (at all actually), however comparing price of them to something available OTC is ludacris. Why would I buy a bottle of grey goose for $40, when I can get a $10 crack rock at the corner that will do twice the job at causing inebriation.

Where can we view these above mentioned logs?????

Scrap that,found on your website...... will follow.

I hope you find interest in them, while there, you should register, it is actually quite the community.

i heard about the andro series but not much else, i tried the vitaberry product and their bcaa a few yrs ago - no complaints on either. iirc they were a reputable brand back then, at least on this board, then they vanished. cant speak on the andro series, personally i have zero interest in it

The products certainly are not for everyone, thank you for your kind words.

they got good bulk creapure, beta alanine and ajipure BCAA for a good price. and vitaberry is legit good, but expensive.

Thank you for your kind words as well. I myself am a vitaberry fan, but I been using it in half dosages to stretch the tub out.

not a fan of the andro series, aside from that i've heard good things about them. And many people like them on the other board.

Same comment I gave to hyper.radio.

Primordial Slime...that should be the name of this company. One merely look at heir marketing tatics - reps and PP forum mods presnting themselves as unbiased consumers touting and pushing products in forums all over the net. 3 reps banned at sroid . com for this , sroidology threads full of undercover PP reps and an undercover pp forum mod ..it goes on and on. So shady that if they offered me free product i wouldnt take it..oh wait - they did and i declined. This new line is full of flaws that will show themselves...i would trust the logs about as much as i trust the company- not at all- but the truth will come out.
Wonder how people will deal with all the adverse sides from cyp supression? Wonder how glorified dhea can equal 400+ mgs of test? Wonder how drug metabolism varies greatly with grapefruit in pharma compounds...yet we are to believe everyone using this will get the optimal "benefit" (like you can call decreased metabolism of toxins, estrogen , progesterone , and so on a benfit! *LOL)
Ive heard rumor that this product is destined for FDA elimination anyway...so it will most likely be a moot point.

Hey Jimmy. You have wasted enough of my time. Speaking of banning, you were banned by bodybuilding.com, under the username "Jimmyinkedup." You also were banned on AM for making multiple accounts and trolling. Save your breath, its getting old.

That's why there so expensive.. makin their dough now before they get shut down by the FDA.

We have absolutely zero FDA concerns.

Only way this new line will do anything is if it's spiked with some DMT.

We have clearly demonstrated the MOA of these products, no need for spiking, and the reputation of our company is worth significantly more than the benefit of selling a tainted product.

[csvt18]

Oh geez.

[GoodGrip]

Where can we view these above mentioned logs?????

Scrap that,found on your website...... will follow.

Thanks Kiwidave. I guess thats all we can ask is just to wait and see how the logs turn out.

[lllllllllll]

I wouldn't go as far as to call PP products garbage. That's a stretch.

[lllllllllll]

*LOL* Now all we need is hatefulONE and other PP nuthuggers to come here and say PP has good products.
Company is pathetic....

Please don't take this the wrong way;

But very few companies have a solid line up from beginning to end. Most have their gold pots with a few that are pretty ok, with a couple of duds in between, that's most supplement companies.

The use of the word " pathetic " leads me to believe that you have a personal beef with said company. As if you've been wronged in some kind of manner. I have no ties with the company at all. I just like 4 of their products VERY much. The rest I couldn't care less for, but still , my point still stands.

The usage of the word pathetic for a supplement company should be reserved for those who fit the description. I won't go there.

[HereToStudy]

Please don't take this the wrong way;

But very few companies have a solid line up from beginning to end. Most have their gold pots with a few that are pretty ok, with a couple of duds in between, that's most supplement companies.

The use of the word " pathetic " leads me to believe that you have a personal beef with said company. As if you've been wronged in some kind of manner. I have no ties with the company at all. I just like 4 of their products VERY much. The rest I couldn't care less for, but still , my point still stands.

The usage of the word pathetic for a supplement company should be reserved for those who fit the description. I won't go there.

Thank you for adding your comments. No company in any industry will appease everyone with every product, so your assesment is not only fair, it's well grounded.

Jimmy (or now known as alex apparently) has a history of doing this in various company threads etc. He has been banned here before, banned on AM after a mod In a very comedic fashion Pointed out that he made multiple accounts to agree with himself.

Pathetic is a strong word, but he seems to fit the bill accordingly.

[Dymethazine]

im sorry but your new products are completely untested with absurd claims and bad mouthing every other ph/ds plus they are outrageously priced. bs marketing at its finest.

[wakingmalice]

im sorry but your new products are completely untested with absurd claims and bad mouthing every other ph/ds plus they are outrageously priced. bs marketing at its finest.

don't apologize, that's sissy. shows maybe you have a testosterone deficiency. maybe try some dhea?

No that won't work.

Super-Dhea: like 154.5 mg of testosterone injected a second.

[_Smitty_]

i'll be honest, it saddens me to see Pp's reputation come to this... when i repped for them a couple of years back they were the belle of the ball; sure, the marketing claims were just a bit outrageous, but the efficacy of the products were noticed and praised (the dermacrine topical and dermatherm were very effective for me).

ever since the advent of premax, being as expensive as it was, and the LV delivery system, it seems as if more and more people are finding reasons to dislike them...

with the androseries, i can understand that, in this economy, people would take issue with the cost... especially when something as proven as superdrol can still be had for $20.

speaking as a consumer, with however many proven labs, however many positive reviews, $130 or $200 is just too much for a single steroidal product.

that said, i don't dislike primordial for the direction they're going in... i just won't be going along.

but i still have tubes of dermacrine.

[beefyfan]

Will minds change when the logs are done and say otherwise?

No, because they most certainly will be bull**** logs.

[StrongRepublican]

There are a plethora of these products out there making outrageous claims and naming their products in a very similar way to real AAS. I'm not saying they are completely useless, they usually do have some effect from what I have seen; however, they never make good on their claims and they use the same ingredients in almost every one of their products. They are attempting to walk that middle line between real gear and regular supps, but it doesn't make sense to me... Guys who want gear will get it and use. Guys who don't want to use AAS will stick w/ regular supps. IMO

[kiwidave1]

Sorry to hear that you don't care for the products anymore. Unfortunately, the argument about running a test cycle as opposed to the Mass product is getting redundant. There are many people who do not want to expose themselves to the legal risks involved with test injections. Did that cycle come to you from an Rx? Doubt it based on prices you stated. You also are excluding Western Union fees (assuming online purchase, 90% of current community), the fact that it is a felony to import these products, at any level, state to state transfer is also a felony, and it could be a felony under local laws. You ignore the fact that most of what is available is a UGL that you don't know if it was made in a compliant lab, or some guy's bathtub. You have no idea of the purity, other than what a bottle says, and you have to deal with injections.

I am not against AAS usage (at all actually), however comparing price of them to something available OTC is ludacris. Why would I buy a bottle of grey goose for $40, when I can get a $10 crack rock at the corner that will do twice the job at causing inebriation.
I hope you find interest in them, while there, you should register, it is actually quite the community.

I am already a member (same user name) and have found the forums very useful when researching PHs and still have on hand Toco-8, Turinabol, Liver Juice and some other PP stuff, you were one of my big 3 companies I supported ( CL, PP and XF) I am, I am sure, a typical PP customer.

Thanks Kiwidave. I guess thats all we can ask is just to wait and see how the logs turn out.

I will follow and give you the benefit of the doubt for now but will be reviewing the logs with a certain level of skepticism and if they delivery and gains are held onto past PCT then I will be happy to dig out my CC but again I will review logs and any that stop when they stop the product will in my mind be incomplete and not worth anything. Logging will need to continue past PCT to be of any true value.

GL with the release and I, like most of your potential customers, hope it delivers but have serious doubts and until there are some non sponsored logs here on BB.com or other third party forums I will be avoiding all of the andro series.

By the way, I liked your TRS, along with Nolva I was drilling holes in my wife just a few days after my last cycle, nice!

[HereToStudy]

im sorry but your new products are completely untested with absurd claims and bad mouthing every other ph/ds plus they are outrageously priced. bs marketing at its finest.

What bad mouthing did we do of other ph/ds? We stated they are toxic, if you don't believe that you shouldn't anywhere near any of them.

i'll be honest, it saddens me to see Pp's reputation come to this... when i repped for them a couple of years back they were the belle of the ball; sure, the marketing claims were just a bit outrageous, but the efficacy of the products were noticed and praised (the dermacrine topical and dermatherm were very effective for me).

ever since the advent of premax, being as expensive as it was, and the LV delivery system, it seems as if more and more people are finding reasons to dislike them...

with the androseries, i can understand that, in this economy, people would take issue with the cost... especially when something as proven as superdrol can still be had for $20.

speaking as a consumer, with however many proven labs, however many positive reviews, $130 or $200 is just too much for a single steroidal product.

that said, i don't dislike primordial for the direction they're going in... i just won't be going along.

but i still have tubes of dermacrine.

Sorry you are going this way, but I find it ironic that you think Dermacrine is a good product (I am not stating it is not), but it is a DHEA product. A more advanced version comes out, dosed higher with more effecient delivery, and it is not effective. Superdrol can be had for $20. If you think a superdrol is the end all be all of steroids, then you need look no further. Good luck keeping all the gains though. If those 20+lbs people put on were maintained, how come these guys with 3-4 SD cycles under their belt are not showing at least 80lbs of muscle on top of the base physique they started with?

No, because they most certainly will be bull**** logs.

By customers who forked over nearly $200 for a product? If I spent that dime and didn't like something, I wouldn't be praising it.

There are a plethora of these products out there making outrageous claims and naming their products in a very similar way to real AAS. I'm not saying they are completely useless, they usually do have some effect from what I have seen; however, they never make good on their claims and they use the same ingredients in almost every one of their products. They are attempting to walk that middle line between real gear and regular supps, but it doesn't make sense to me... Guys who want gear will get it and use. Guys who don't want to use AAS will stick w/ regular supps. IMO

Ive addressed earlier the differences this product provides of illicit AAS.

[HereToStudy]

I am already a member (same user name) and have found the forums very useful when researching PHs and still have on hand Toco-8, Turinabol, Liver Juice and some other PP stuff, you were one of my big 3 companies I supported ( CL, PP and XF) I am, I am sure, a typical PP customer.




I will follow and give you the benefit of the doubt for now but will be reviewing the logs with a certain level of skepticism and if they delivery and gains are held onto past PCT then I will be happy to dig out my CC but again I will review logs and any that stop when they stop the product will in my mind be incomplete and not worth anything. Logging will need to continue past PCT to be of any true value.

GL with the release and I, like most of your potential customers, hope it delivers but have serious doubts and until there are some non sponsored logs here on BB.com or other third party forums I will be avoiding all of the andro series.

By the way, I liked your TRS, along with Nolva I was drilling holes in my wife just a few days after my last cycle, nice!

Thank you for the kind words and your support!

[_Smitty_]

Sorry you are going this way, but I find it ironic that you think Dermacrine is a good product (I am not stating it is not), but it is a DHEA product. A more advanced version comes out, dosed higher with more effecient delivery, and it is not effective. Superdrol can be had for $20. If you think a superdrol is the end all be all of steroids, then you need look no further. Good luck keeping all the gains though. If those 20+lbs people put on were maintained, how come these guys with 3-4 SD cycles under their belt are not showing at least 80lbs of muscle on top of the base physique they started with?

no need to direct any anger this way, dude. you're going to field a lot of comments like mine which contain an underlying support, if you attack these kinds of members/comments, you're doing a disservice...

the irony isn't lost on me. but $45 for a tube of dermacrine i could afford; $130 on a supplement, i can not. i never said it wasn't effective, it's just not cost-efficient...

sure, i'm skeptical because the LV delivery system did nothing for me... tried 1T and SA in topical, loved them, felt nothing with the LV; so you don't expect me to jump on board immediately because a flashy new delivery system comes out, do you?

i don't think superdrol is the be all/end all, but i'm using it as a comparative point... however many pounds you can put on with the androseries products (which would also have to be maintained in the same fashion following the cycle, so the point is moot), doesn't necessarily convince me to spend an additional $110 on the product.

so i get that you're in a defensive mode, but please don't lash out at me and take my words out of context... i'm not new to this. i was you two years ago.