Supplements do your work...NOT

[LoneWolf720]

I'm just curios, do you ever meet people who seem to be under the impression that once they start taking nitric oxide, or drinking whey protein, or start taking fat loss pills, that they are going to immediately and easily get strong and lean. They act as is the supplement is going to do it all for them, and seem to forget, supplements or not, you have to bust your a$$ to get to get a good body. Just wondering, has anyone ever met anyone like this?

[Starkk]

You guys might not know this, but I consider myself a bit of a loner. I tend to think of myself as a one-man wolf pack. But when my sister brought LoneWolf720 home, I knew he was one of my own. And my wolf pack... it grew by one. So there... there were two of us in the wolf pack... I was alone first in the pack, and then LoneWolf720 joined in later. And six months ago, when LoneWolf720 introduced me to you guys, I thought, "Wait a second, could it be?" And now I know for sure, I just added two more guys to my wolf pack. Four of us wolves, running around the desert together, in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and *******.

[BenW22]

You guys might not know this, but I consider myself a bit of a loner. I tend to think of myself as a one-man wolf pack. But when my sister brought LoneWolf720 home, I knew he was one of my own. And my wolf pack... it grew by one. So there... there were two of us in the wolf pack... I was alone first in the pack, and then LoneWolf720 joined in later. And six months ago, when LoneWolf720 introduced me to you guys, I thought, "Wait a second, could it be?" And now I know for sure, I just added two more guys to my wolf pack. Four of us wolves, running around the desert together, in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and *******.

^^LOL, solid reference.

[LoneWolf720]

You guys might not know this, but I consider myself a bit of a loner. I tend to think of myself as a one-man wolf pack. But when my sister brought LoneWolf720 home, I knew he was one of my own. And my wolf pack... it grew by one. So there... there were two of us in the wolf pack... I was alone first in the pack, and then LoneWolf720 joined in later. And six months ago, when LoneWolf720 introduced me to you guys, I thought, "Wait a second, could it be?" And now I know for sure, I just added two more guys to my wolf pack. Four of us wolves, running around the desert together, in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and *******.

um....?

[An Inconvenient Bro]

I've met a lot of people in my day who put an extraordinarily large amount of faith in the 5.56 caliber NATO round. Eugene Stoner was working under the impression that a smaller projectile fired at a much higher rate of speed would provide the same terminal ballistics as the much larger 7.62 projectile fired at a slower rate. Ask anyone who served in Vietnam just how happy they were when they had to switch from their trusty beast of an M14 to the M16. Ask our current soldiers how effective they feel it is knowing that there is a higher likelihood you will need to hit your target several times as opposed to just once. What do you think?

[LoneWolf720]

I have no idea what any of you are talking about.

[BenW22]

um....?

Go rent The Hangover.

[LoneWolf720]

Go rent The Hangover.

it all makes sense now haha

[IamJonsCranium]

I'm just curios, do you ever meet people who seem to be under the impression that once they start taking nitric oxide, or drinking whey protein, or start taking fat loss pills, that they are going to immediately and easily get strong and lean. They act as is the supplement is going to do it all for them, and seem to forget, supplements or not, you have to bust your a$$ to get to get a good body. Just wondering, has anyone ever met anyone like this?

Guy I work with buys into the "20 min/day, 3 days/week" exercise myth. I try telling him, but he's read the book, by a Dr...

[IamJonsCranium]

I've met a lot of people in my day who put an extraordinarily large amount of faith in the 5.56 caliber NATO round. Eugene Stoner was working under the impression that a smaller projectile fired at a much higher rate of speed would provide the same terminal ballistics as the much larger 7.62 projectile fired at a slower rate. Ask anyone who served in Vietnam just how happy they were when they had to switch from their trusty beast of an M14 to the M16. Ask our current soldiers how effective they feel it is knowing that there is a higher likelihood you will need to hit your target several times as opposed to just once. What do you think?

The 5.56 round was designed for a 20" barrel. Our guys in Afghanistan are shooting from mountain to mountain with a 14.5" barrel. That's a big problem. Logistics also come in to play. It's a lot harder to pack a bunch of .308 than it is 5.56. Plus, the range of the 5.56 is much greater than the 7.62 round shot out of the AK. The damage done by the 5.56 is directly related to thickness of the target and velocity of the bullet. The higher the velocity, the more reliable the fragmentation. The thicker the target, the more time to allow fragmentation. Shooting a 140lbs Afghani from 800yds with an M4 is going to poke small holes in him. An American soldier got hit with friendly fire in the thigh, the bullet missed bone but shattered his femur anway, due to energy form the bullet.

The Army (or Marines, forget which one) is now starting to use a 5.56 round with a different powder in it. It is a high efficiency powder, so you get more burn in the short 14.5 barrels. This gives you more muzzle velocity, helping to negate some effects from the short barrels.

[bmontgomery87]

I get this stuff all the time.

My friend who lifts with me daily, and has been training for over 8 months, finally started taking creatine. He asked me no more than 3 hours ago "when will i feel and see the effects".


bertstare

[An Inconvenient Bro]

The 5.56 round was designed for a 20" barrel. Our guys in Afghanistan are shooting from mountain to mountain with a 14.5" barrel. That's a big problem. Logistics also come in to play. It's a lot harder to pack a bunch of .308 than it is 5.56. Plus, the range of the 5.56 is much greater than the 7.62 round shot out of the AK. The damage done by the 5.56 is directly related to thickness of the target and velocity of the bullet. The higher the velocity, the more reliable the fragmentation. The thicker the target, the more time to allow fragmentation. Shooting a 140lbs Afghani from 800yds with an M4 is going to poke small holes in him. An American soldier got hit with friendly fire in the thigh, the bullet missed bone but shattered his femur anway, due to energy form the bullet.

The Army (or Marines, forget which one) is now starting to use a 5.56 round with a different powder in it. It is a high efficiency powder, so you get more burn in the short 14.5 barrels. This gives you more muzzle velocity, helping to negate some effects from the short barrels.

No I don't mean the 7.62x39 I'm talking about the NATO round. Agreed on carrying capacity with the weight difference but there's also the relationship of the number of 308 rounds needed to terminate a target vs the number of 5.56 it is taking at longer ranges. Obviously a soldier should be carrying at least a few hundred rounds and the weight can become significant. I do not dispute 5.56 as an effective close range caliber but at longer ranges it is becoming abysmal.

And if I remember correctly the original 5.56 penetrator rounds were 55 grains which worked best in a slow twist, 1:11 or 12. The modern barrels are spinning at a much faster rate compounded with heavier projectiles and this is creating a situation where it is spinning so fast it isn't going off axis and simply drilling holes rather than creating massive trauma. The irony is the lighter bullet in a slower twist was incredibly accurate and deadly at the same time.

I'm glad we've managed to turn this thread into a productive discussion!!

[LoneWolf720]

I get this stuff all the time.

My friend who lifts with me daily, and has been training for over 8 months, finally started taking creatine. He asked me no more than 3 hours ago "when will i feel and see the effects".


bertstare

sounds like a friend of mine, he curled 15 pound dumbbells three days a week, for just one week, and took protein, he told me he gave up because he's not seeing any results...such a dumba$$

[LoneWolf720]

No I don't mean the 7.62x39 I'm talking about the NATO round. Agreed on carrying capacity with the weight difference but there's also the relationship of the number of 308 rounds needed to terminate a target vs the number of 5.56 it is taking at longer ranges. Obviously a soldier should be carrying at least a few hundred rounds and the weight can become significant. I do not dispute 5.56 as an effective close range caliber but at longer ranges it is becoming abysmal.

And if I remember correctly the original 5.56 penetrator rounds were 55 grains which worked best in a slow twist, 1:11 or 12. The modern barrels are spinning at a much faster rate compounded with heavier projectiles and this is creating a situation where it is spinning so fast it isn't going off axis and simply drilling holes rather than creating massive trauma. The irony is the lighter bullet in a slower twist was incredibly accurate and deadly at the same time.

I'm glad we've managed to turn this thread into a productive discussion!!

Anyone a fan of Heckler & Koch guns?

[neddo]

You guys might not know this, but I consider myself a bit of a loner. I tend to think of myself as a one-man wolf pack. But when my sister brought LoneWolf720 home, I knew he was one of my own. And my wolf pack... it grew by one. So there... there were two of us in the wolf pack... I was alone first in the pack, and then LoneWolf720 joined in later. And six months ago, when LoneWolf720 introduced me to you guys, I thought, "Wait a second, could it be?" And now I know for sure, I just added two more guys to my wolf pack. Four of us wolves, running around the desert together, in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and *******.

Haha, reps on spreeaaad.

[airrade]

There's a lot of severely undereducationed and lazy people out there. Welcome to the world.

[Starkk]

Effects I'm Getting From Being Uneducated so far...

[airrade]

Is that like procrastinating, I'll do it tomorrow... ?

[aman88]

Go rent The Hangover.

haha awesome movie...


anyways, most people who "work out" seem to think that. plenty of people i know think protein magically will make you muscular. just ignore the stupid, help the misinformed.

[athenrye]

just ignore the stupid, help the misinformed.

lol @ that coming from the guy who claimed 1,3 Dimeth gave him gyno. What do we do, ignore or help you?

[IamJonsCranium]

Anyone a fan of Heckler & Koch guns?

No, because you suck. And they hate you.



http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...d-we-hate-you/

[338lapuaAI]

I've met a lot of people in my day who put an extraordinarily large amount of faith in the 5.56 caliber NATO round. Eugene Stoner was working under the impression that a smaller projectile fired at a much higher rate of speed would provide the same terminal ballistics as the much larger 7.62 projectile fired at a slower rate. Ask anyone who served in Vietnam just how happy they were when they had to switch from their trusty beast of an M14 to the M16. Ask our current soldiers how effective they feel it is knowing that there is a higher likelihood you will need to hit your target several times as opposed to just once. What do you think?

338 Lapua Magnum FTW! 8.6x70mm.

One day I will have my Accuracy International with a Schmidt & Bender scope. Goodbye all coyotes in the surrounding desert.

Anyone a fan of Heckler & Koch guns?

Got a few. USP9, P30. Will be getting a HK45 and USC with UMP conversion before the end of year.

[RugbyTank]

Effects I'm Getting From Being Uneducated so far...

The ability to know you can always learn more

[theapexxxx]

I see this 1000x a day when it comes to fat burners.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

338 Lapua Magnum FTW!

Incredible round, just prohibitively expensive for most people and likely unavailable at your local WalMart. Have you ever used a nightforce scope?

[marcus2112]

I see this 1000x a day when it comes to fat burners.

Seconded!

Go rent The Hangover.

I already did and regeretted the 2-hour loss. Thankfully, it was free.

[338lapuaAI]

Incredible round, just prohibitively expensive for most people and likely unavailable at your local WalMart. Have you ever used a nightforce scope?

No, I haven't. I hear great things about them though. The NXS F1 is on the "list".

Got to play with some Gen 3 night vision the other night. That was sweet. Subsequently the "list" got longer.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

No, because you suck. And they hate you.



http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...d-we-hate-you/

epic

[canardroti]

I'm just curios, do you ever meet people who seem to be under the impression that once they start taking nitric oxide, or drinking whey protein, or start taking fat loss pills, that they are going to immediately and easily get strong and lean. They act as is the supplement is going to do it all for them, and seem to forget, supplements or not, you have to bust your a$$ to get to get a good body. Just wondering, has anyone ever met anyone like this?

yeah! I look at him everyday in the mirror! haha j/k but in the beginning , I believe that's how everyone feels and gradually realize it's about Diet and a good routine.

[LoneWolf720]

338 Lapua Magnum FTW! 8.6x70mm.

One day I will have my Accuracy International with a Schmidt & Bender scope. Goodbye all coyotes in the surrounding desert.



Got a few. USP9, P30. Will be getting a HK45 and USC with UMP conversion before the end of year.

HK45 is an awesome gun dude, good buy.