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    Is halal really a more humane way to kill animal?

    wont the animal die more quickly if its head is just cut off rather than just slitting its throat when its hung upside down? what is this halal muslim logic?
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    It's not meant to be more humane. It's just some ritual to make animal holy or smt.
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    Originally Posted by AfroEcto View Post
    It's not meant to be more humane. It's just some ritual to make animal holy or smt.
    na muslims say halal meat is animal killed with less pain
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    by leaving the spinal cord intact, signals to the heart to keep pumping are there as well as to move the body. This will make it so that a lot more blood will be able to leave the animal.
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    its all terrorist bull****
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    Originally Posted by FatAli View Post
    by leaving the spinal cord intact, signals to the heart to keep pumping are there as well as to move the body. This will make it so that a lot more blood will be able to leave the animal.
    so are muslims trolling us with it being more humane way to kill shiiit?
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    Originally Posted by NepalianBrah View Post
    na muslims say halal meat is animal killed with less pain
    Yeah, in 632 CE, before the invention of the captive bolt gun.
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    Originally Posted by NepalianBrah View Post
    so are muslims trolling us with it being more humane way to kill shiiit?
    what

    I think it is more humane. If there is a skilled slaughterer with a very sharp knife and knows what he is doing, he will be able to do the slice without any harm done. The animal doesn't see the knife and is done in about one second.
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    It has nothing to do with killing the animal in a humane way.

    It's about making the meat "more hygienic".

    EDIT: Well, in part, it is about that. But it's mostly due to the fact that Muslims aren't supposed to consume animal blood, or eat animals that weren't killed in the name of Allah.
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    halal meat is not stunned before it is slaughtered.
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    Originally Posted by NepalianBrah View Post
    so are muslims trolling us with it being more humane way to kill shiiit?
    It's dated saying/belief from times when people didn't really know how to kill animals without brutalizing them about the head with an axe.

    This is in no way accurate in modern times, especially with slaughter being done in automated abattoirs, not in family farms.

    Cortisol measured in halal slaughter is much higher than those knocked unconscious with a captive bolt gun.
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    The animal is not going to be conscious I think when its going down.
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    Originally Posted by FatAli View Post
    what

    I think it is more humane. If there is a skilled slaughterer with a very sharp knife and knows what he is doing, he will be able to do the slice without any harm done. The animal doesn't see the knife and is done in about one second.
    This is the problem.

    With the World population moving off farms, Halal does not make sense in slaughterhouses where they are moved by machinery, not people.

    Kosher and halal slaughterhouses are among the biggest animal cruelty violators.
    There is no Humane Slaughter Act protection for animals who die at those facilities.
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    Halal slaughter is the same as Kosher slaughter. Its to remove the blood and a prayer is said as it's done.
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    In a conventional slaughterhouse, the cow is killed pretty much painlessly. They are either killed instantly or they are unconscious when they are killed. Not so with Halal, usually.
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    Originally Posted by MA5Bergey View Post
    In a conventional slaughterhouse, the cow is killed pretty much painlessly. They are either killed instantly or they are unconscious when they are killed. Not so with Halal.
    lol.. we also brand them when they're fully conscious as well. along with fully conscious castration for other animals.
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    Originally Posted by NepalianBrah View Post
    na muslims say halal meat is animal killed with less pain
    When you see Muslims killing a goat for a special celebration at their house, it can be done quite quickly, because several people put in the time and care to ensure a swift death for the animal.

    When you see thousands of cows and sheep being pushed into factories on time constraints, it is almost always a horrible, horrible way to go.

    Especially since most are still killed in cruel contraptions like the Weinberg trap.
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    quoted from: http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm

    The scientific facts

    A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.


    The Halal method

    With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.

    The Western method

    Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal ceases to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.


    cliffs:
    -electrodes/sciencethings implanted into two sets of animals, one to be killed with electrodes and one in the Halal way
    -animals set to recover for a few weeks after implantation
    -Halal slaughtere showed no change in readings from the sciencestuff. also means they felt no pain, same way as they were before death.
    -Western way showed that using the stunner, animal felt pain immediately through the readings of the sciencestuff
    -less blood found in meat of Halal slaughtered animals-> cleaner
    -tons of more blood found in Western slaughter style
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    Originally Posted by FatAli View Post
    quoted from: http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm

    The scientific facts

    A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.


    The Halal method

    With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.

    The Western method

    Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal ceases to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.


    cliffs:
    -electrodes/sciencethings implanted into two sets of animals, one to be killed with electrodes and one in the Halal way
    -animals set to recover for a few weeks after implantation
    -Halal slaughtere showed no change in readings from the sciencestuff. also means they felt no pain, same way as they were before death.
    -Western way showed that using the stunner, animal felt pain immediately through the readings of the sciencestuff
    -less blood found in meat of Halal slaughtered animals-> cleaner
    -tons of more blood found in Western slaughter style
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    Originally Posted by SpikeNeedle View Post
    lol.. we also brand them when they're fully conscious as well. along with fully conscious castration for other animals.
    In terms of death, Temple Grandin corals and captive bolt is the best way to kill ungulate food animals.

    The belief that Halal is less cruel is very dated, back in times when people prepared their own meat. At the time, a deep cut to the neck was the fastest way to kill a large animal like cattle.

    In this day and age though, we're not talking about killing 1 sheep or 1 cow per day, we're talking about pushing thousands of them through the abattoir, and halal was simply not designed to do this. Therefore, the statement is terribly dated and should not be applied to animals killed in slaughterhouses.
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    Originally Posted by FatAli View Post
    quoted from: http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm

    The scientific facts

    A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.


    The Halal method

    With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.

    The Western method

    Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal ceases to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.


    cliffs:
    -electrodes/sciencethings implanted into two sets of animals, one to be killed with electrodes and one in the Halal way
    -animals set to recover for a few weeks after implantation
    -Halal slaughtere showed no change in readings from the sciencestuff. also means they felt no pain, same way as they were before death.
    -Western way showed that using the stunner, animal felt pain immediately through the readings of the sciencestuff
    -less blood found in meat of Halal slaughtered animals-> cleaner
    -tons of more blood found in Western slaughter style
    can u post the actual study? u posting that site is like someone pointing to your post as a source
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    Don't care, halal meat tastes so much better.
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    Originally Posted by FatAli View Post
    quoted from: http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm

    The scientific facts

    A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.


    The Halal method

    With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.

    The Western method

    Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal ceases to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.


    cliffs:
    -electrodes/sciencethings implanted into two sets of animals, one to be killed with electrodes and one in the Halal way
    -animals set to recover for a few weeks after implantation
    -Halal slaughtere showed no change in readings from the sciencestuff. also means they felt no pain, same way as they were before death.
    -Western way showed that using the stunner, animal felt pain immediately through the readings of the sciencestuff
    -less blood found in meat of Halal slaughtered animals-> cleaner
    -tons of more blood found in Western slaughter style
    This study is from 1970.

    It's highly incorrect and proven erroneous.

    Stress in animals is measure by cortisol, EEG does not measure suffering, it measured swiftness of brain damage.

    The captive bolt gun has improved miraculously since 1990.

    Back in 1970, these German scientists were unaware, you should telepathically send them a note.
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    Originally Posted by Alchem View Post
    Don't care, halal meat tastes so much better.
    na it tastes the same, depends on how u cook
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    Originally Posted by Alchem View Post
    Don't care, halal meat tastes so much better.
    x2.

    prob just does in my mind though.
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    Originally Posted by FatAli View Post
    cliffs:
    -I found this on a muslim site, so it's probably as full of BS as islam itself.
    I'd say those cliffs are very accurate. Well done, FatAli.

    Halal isn't humane in the slightest and was never intended to be.

    Does this look humane to you? **** off with that superstitious nonsense.

    (kosher way of slaughter=halal, btw)
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