Levr0ne interview by palumb0 and acet0

[tryin2gethuge10]

i d0n't need t0 pr0ve anything t0 y0u. Y0u can find 0ut y0urself.

So basically you couldnt find any pictures to back up what you said, i hear you loud and clear.

[asbrus]

so basically you couldnt find any pictures to back up what you said, i hear you loud and clear.

n0 y0u didn't. I just d0n't need t0 p0st pics t0 back it up when i kn0w i'm right. It's a waste 0f time t0 pr0ve it t0 y0u.

[tryin2gethuge10]

n0 y0u didn't. I just d0n't need t0 p0st pics t0 back it up when i kn0w i'm right. It's a waste 0f time t0 pr0ve it t0 y0u.

Yes, you are always right. If you want people to take what you say serious on here then back up what you say with evedince.

[porrapaulao]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91uBzK5M2o

Biggest shoulders I've ever seen

[VASSIVE]

does levrone seem abit slow to anyone else in the interview?

[TLF84]

I'd take a peak levrone physique over any pro of today

[lnp]

0p is a ****g0t

[Sean0987]

Well, that kinda was my point. :P

Uh, yeah, I was agreeing with you.

[Darren in Gym]

The competitors got bigger and less conditioned as a result (obvious a lot more goes into that equation ). What i want to know is, what happened better the early 2000's and now. For a while we had a string of conditoned mass monsters that were dominating, then 05-08 rolled over and we had mainly bloated messes and dexter

[Sean0987]

Please explain the mechanisms in which diuretics decrease body fat.

The mechanisms WITH which they decrease bodyfat? Um, what? They don't. Kai's and Victor come in lean enough to show a lot more detail then they do, they just hold too much water.

Lasix would, um, fix that.






























Sorry, I have literally been searching for an excuse to use that GIF. No hard feelings.

[iDarren]

Levrone and co were the last of the GREAT era. After them (as Levrone says) something just went wrong.

[tryin2gethuge10]

Levrone and co were the last of the GREAT era. After them (as Levrone says) something just went wrong.

Dumbest opinion on here, Levrone is and always will be bitter towards the IFBB because he never got his Mr.o he thinks he deserved.

Nothing went wrong, everyone else moved ahead and Levrone didn't. Why not? Because he trained for like 4 months out of the year. How are you going to improve by doing that?

I guess, Cutler, Heath, Jackson, Centaponi, Wolf, branch, etc.. all suck?

[iDarren]

Then I guess you think Dave P's opinion is dumb too as he obviously completely agrees with Levrone..

In that list you mention none really hold up IMO. Heath would almost except his bone structure is not quite as good, but it is certainly very close. Wolf has "promise" but lacks the overall package at this point in time.

Dumbest opinion on here, Levrone is and always will be bitter towards the IFBB because he never got his Mr.o he thinks he deserved.

Nothing went wrong, everyone else moved ahead and Levrone didn't. Why not? Because he trained for like 4 months out of the year. How are you going to improve by doing that?

I guess, Cutler, Heath, Jackson, Centaponi, Wolf, branch, etc.. all suck?

[MuscleMan2009]

Good to see someone with some sense of what a good physique should look like.

Levrone and co were the last of the GREAT era. After them (as Levrone says) something just went wrong.

[cbezz]

mm... tough topic... few people have shat a nappy over it so far in the thread.

I think the shapes back then were a lot more pleasing.
You had Flex, Kevin, Shawn.... i mean.. these 3 all looked amazing.

No phyisiques flow like that at the moment... Just think about it... Sure Kai and Phil are huge, but they don't have the flow to their physiques that those 3 had, neither of those two have a waist like a bodybuilder from the 90's. And yeah, conditioning is tougher to come by these days.


Let's be serious here people... Diuretics are still used, but I think people took heed of the warnings that Andreaz munzer and Paul Dillet sent them. They don't use them as heavily nowadays. I know competitors in Amatuer ranks who say they're not necessary, you can do it without them. I'm sure these guys would tend to use them more often than not, but I think they would be more careful about it.

Bodybuilding right now... Is just not as competitive... Not enough guys bring the conditioning needed to win. And if they do... there usually isn't enough guys who bring it that were front runners to start with.

I think bodybuilding needs a slight revamp. A bit more publicity, and continuing to find some fresh new faces.

A final point, I think the lighting of these 90s shows is often better than some of todays shows... Especially the minor shows these days.

[MuscleMan2009]

You can tell Arnold admired the guys back then. You can tell he doesn't have the same admiration for the guys now.

[the-craig]

I honestly think Phil, Jay and Kai at their very best would beat Levrone and Shawn, I think Wheeler might give them a run for their money though. I'm not saying they weren't all incredible because they're some of the best of all time, I just think they were missing things which these 3 aren't.

[NickM205]

I think bodybuilding needs a slight revamp. A bit more publicity, and continuing to find some fresh new faces.

This....does not compute...

And how would you suggest they get more publicity? The sport is built around illegal drug use.

[asbrus]

this....does not compute...

And how would you suggest they get more publicity? The sport is built around illegal drug use.

l0l s0 is every sp0rt 0ut there. But pe0ple d0n't want t0 see guys p0sing. It's n0t very entertaining f0r the public. If it was, then y0u'd see it mainstream.

[asbrus]

yes, you are always right. If you want people to take what you say serious on here then back up what you say with evedince.

s0me things are s0 0bvi0us and easy t0 find y0u d0n't need t0 p0st evidence f0r idi0ts like y0u. ANY STAT AND 0LYMPIA VID FR0M 1999 AND UP HAS LEVR0NE LISTED AB0VE 250. S0 D0 THE RESEARCH Y0URSELF LAZY BUM.

[Tsesmatas]

The biggest difference I see from the 90s guys and now is the overall shape. The shape and muscle bellies were much better in the 90s compared to now.

[T3mpest]

Then I guess you think Dave P's opinion is dumb too as he obviously completely agrees with Levrone..

In that list you mention none really hold up IMO. Heath would almost except his bone structure is not quite as good, but it is certainly very close. Wolf has "promise" but lacks the overall package at this point in time.

Heath and Kai would hold up just fine.. Kai has striations all over and is very heavy for his height.. Heath is very complete and aestetic, he'd keep up with Flex Wheeler, Flex was narrow too. Heath has a little more freak factor and thickness than Flex did though, kinda mix between Kevin and Flex's physiques.. Kevin was just never very complete. Wolf is a poor mans Paul Dillet from the front if anything. He can at least pose tho lol.

[Sean0987]

The biggest difference I see from the 90s guys and now is the overall shape. The shape and muscle bellies were much better in the 90s compared to now.

Feel free to list all the guys who have a better shape to their muscle bellies than Heath.



And I'm not even a heath nuthugger.

[thelonecrouton]

Dillet was enormous

And looked ready to rip someone's head off, lol.

Wheeler's hams were effin proper big, perfect tris as well.

[Ultraflexed]

Dumbest opinion on here, Levrone is and always will be bitter towards the IFBB because he never got his Mr.o he thinks he deserved.

Nothing went wrong, everyone else moved ahead and Levrone didn't. Why not? Because he trained for like 4 months out of the year. How are you going to improve by doing that?

I guess, Cutler, Heath, Jackson, Centaponi, Wolf, branch, etc.. all suck?

ur statement is dumb, leverone did that type of trainning ONCE, That was when he tore his chest, and only had a few months to train after recovery.......him doing that every year is a myth.

this is what we know about cutler, cutler is champ due to lack of CONSISTANT competition,
culters first 2 mr.O were very question, beating an Injured Ronnie coleman, who was agruably still in better condition during the night show and should have won

the second titles well belonged to Victor, Even Jay said himself that he was off and didnt know how he managed to pull it off,

09 MR.O i was there, and that was Jay's only undisputed victory, even his most current victory at the Mr.O was debated as many felt Heath could have won.

the biggest problem with the guys that compete today is lack of consistancy.
the only acception to this is ( dexter,heath, branch)
outside of those names, most guy have BIG problems comming in shape consistantly example: Victor,kai, even Jay at times,Roelly

this is a huge problem why? those are the biggest names in the sport had they have had conditioning issues as far as bringing it consistantly

thats like Kobe, lebron, wade,melo being the top stars in the NBA and there play is inconsistance................IF YOUR A STAR, YOUR PLAY SHOULD ALWAYS BE CONSISTANT THAT WHAT MAKES YOU STAR.

So if your sports biggest stars are inconsistant at the TOP shows then what does that say about the rest of the competition in the sport.

back in the 90's and early 2000 you could count on your TOP 6 star ALWAYS bringing the best conditioning to the biggest show without the GUT and huge waist even Nasser who was bigger then anyone competing now had a tight waist for massive man

example: shawn ray,corimer,Ronnie,Levrone,dorian,nasser,vince taylor, paul dilluet could be counted on to always bring their absolute best to the biggest shows were it counted the most
only Flex had problems with conditioning, and he normally finished no less then second or fourth at the mr.O with 4 arnold classic victories.

to top it off, most these guys competed way more then the top guys of today excluding dorian,

the only guys today that can hang with those guys would be Heath,jay, maybe branch but i dont see him doing much better then paul or nasser

[BlackNumero]

There is a combination of factors that separate the 90s bodybuilders from the 00's bodybuilders.

Firstly, something which has nothing to do with bodybuilding, is that the economy was better in the 90s than in the 00s (and this isn't even comparing the 90s to the late 00's, as the economy now is even worse). In addition, social stigma to bodybuilders was better back then (it was televised, less negativity around steroids, etc). In the grand scheme of things, these play a role in every little factor that affects current bodybuilders and potential "would bes". Food prices, supplement "supplies" and prices, real value of prize money and sponsor contracts, other potential job opportunities, all probably went for the worse in terms of bodybuilding. Not to mention if people are getting poorer, they won't be spending as much on luxury items like protein powder and supplements, which hurts the revenue flowing into the bodybuilding industry, and only further damages the pay of the athlete sponsors.

If its harder to live as a professional bodybuilder because of the costs (more expensive "stuff" needed like drugs and food as well as better job opportunities, not to mention meager payday for what they do, perceived health risks, social stigma) outweigh the benefits (getting to be big and a pro bodybuilder?), your just not going to have as gifted and motivated a talent pool, plain and simple. In addition, and this is my own guess, but the baseball steroid scandals in the mid 00s could have affected the drug supplies getting into bodybuilding. Current bodybuilders also have to devote an enormous amount of time to living their lives as pseudo criminals and not get caught with illegal substances. The drug scandal certainly rocked the underground supplement industry, and with not as good as drugs or at least access to for bodybuilders, there won't be as good as performances, unfortunately. I guarantee you that if all drugs related to bodybuilding were 100% legal, current bodybuilders would be 50% better than were they are now. There would be much more research on drugs which would aid bodybuilders/gurus and prevent mishaps in contest preps, not to mention their prices would be astronomically lower.

Relating to bodybuilding itself, the judges have definitely placed emphasis on mass over conditioning in the past 10 years. Regardless of how people think about Ronnie, during his reign all aspiring bodybuilders had only one goal, which was to get as big as humanly possible while in condition. This must have made it harder to get in condition and further damage the social stigma surrounding bodybuilding, since most of these people did not look pleasing at all to look at. Also, I do believe that bodybuilders back then did experiment more with drugs (I'm no drug guru, but everyone here says diuretics). I'm not saying people now don't use them at all, but at least not as much, or not in the same proportion to the mass they carry.

[Ultraflexed]

There is a combination of factors that separate the 90s bodybuilders from the 00's bodybuilders.

Firstly, something which has nothing to do with bodybuilding, is that the economy was better in the 90s than in the 00s (and this isn't even comparing the 90s to the late 00's, as the economy now is even worse). In addition, social stigma to bodybuilders was better back then (it was televised, less negativity around steroids, etc). In the grand scheme of things, these play a role in every little factor that affects current bodybuilders and potential "would bes". Food prices, supplement "supplies" and prices, real value of prize money and sponsor contracts, other potential job opportunities, all probably went for the worse in terms of bodybuilding. Not to mention if people are getting poorer, they won't be spending as much on luxury items like protein powder and supplements, which hurts the revenue flowing into the bodybuilding industry, and only further damages the pay of the athlete sponsors.

If its harder to live as a professional bodybuilder because of the costs (more expensive "stuff" needed like drugs and food as well as better job opportunities, not to mention meager payday for what they do, perceived health risks, social stigma) outweigh the benefits (getting to be big and a pro bodybuilder?), your just not going to have as gifted and motivated a talent pool, plain and simple. In addition, and this is my own guess, but the baseball steroid scandals in the mid 00s could have affected the drug supplies getting into bodybuilding. Current bodybuilders also have to devote an enormous amount of time to living their lives as pseudo criminals and not get caught with illegal substances. The drug scandal certainly rocked the underground supplement industry, and with not as good as drugs or at least access to for bodybuilders, there won't be as good as performances, unfortunately. I guarantee you that if all drugs related to bodybuilding were 100% legal, current bodybuilders would be 50% better than were they are now. There would be much more research on drugs which would aid bodybuilders/gurus and prevent mishaps in contest preps, not to mention their prices would be astronomically lower.

Relating to bodybuilding itself, the judges have definitely placed emphasis on mass over conditioning in the past 10 years. Regardless of how people think about Ronnie, during his reign all aspiring bodybuilders had only one goal, which was to get as big as humanly possible while in condition. This must have made it harder to get in condition and further damage the social stigma surrounding bodybuilding, since most of these people did not look pleasing at all to look at. Also, I do believe that bodybuilders back then did experiment more with drugs (I'm no drug guru, but everyone here says diuretics). I'm not saying people now don't use them at all, but at least not as much, or not in the same proportion to the mass they carry.

this is wrong also..........the prize money at shows have dramatically increased, especially the mr.O and Arnold and what about supp contract..thats an excuse
guys make more on contracts and guest posing then actual prize money things are better for the athletes now more then ever..the supp industries is still big biz

[BlackNumero]

this is wrong also..........the prize money at shows have dramatically increased, especially the mr.O and Arnold and what about supp contract..thats an excuse
guys make more on contracts and guest posing then actual prize money things are better for the athletes now more then ever..the supp industries is still big biz

Notice how I said "real" value of prize money. Nominally they have gone up, I do not deny this. My guess though is that real value they have gone down, just like most jobs. If wages/job growth on the whole experienced little growth (if at all) in the past ten years, something tells me that for bodybuilders, they same thing (or even worse) has occurred. Also, just because supplement industries are booming does not necessarily mean that bodybuilders are. If more people are interested in becoming leaner athletes and not as bulky, then chances are the supplement industry is going to pay less to the huge 280-300 lb athletes and more to the leaner guys because they really aren't bringing in the cash. Businesses won't just pay bodybuilders for no reason, they estimate how much revenue they are bringing to the firm and compare that to how much they can pay them (to see if they can get a profit). If less people are interested in bulking up but instead losing weight, showcasing huge bulky men wouldn't be in a supplement companies best interest.

[redlinedrummer]

Grass is always greener on the ther side type of thread here. I prefer the bodybuilders for the most part from this area of bodybuilding Ronnie,Jay,Phil,Kai,Ruhl,Branch,Vic and dex over Levrone,Wheeler and all the rest from the 90's..........

[redlinedrummer]

Then I guess you think Dave P's opinion is dumb too as he obviously completely agrees with Levrone..

In that list you mention none really hold up IMO. Heath would almost except his bone structure is not quite as good, but it is certainly very close. Wolf has "promise" but lacks the overall package at this point in time.

I hate to tell you this but Dave Palumbo was not even good enough to win a pro card, just saying!!!