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03-16-2011, 01:14 PM #121
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03-16-2011, 01:32 PM #124
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These kinds of posts make me rage. That's the usual laundry list of things women require. Yet, so few of them actually offer anything in return. Most women think their looks alone are enough to get them by in a relationship. Guess what, sugar pop, with a laundry list like that you better be prepared to bring more then a pretty face. Too often, women expect us guys to validate ourselves to them without them doing the same for us. I'm calling you out; what exactly do you offer in a relationship that would make up for that whole list of things?
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03-16-2011, 02:00 PM #125
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03-16-2011, 02:11 PM #126
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03-16-2011, 02:38 PM #127
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Oh.
em.
gee.
if I could give you some kind of platinum award I would.. this is by far one of the biggest points I try to tell people!!!!
To answer your question:
Probably nothing. Vagina. Cool.
I hate how women expect all men to be these rich, hilarious, charming, tough guy, perfect gentlemen and list all these qualities like they deserve it.
Then when you DO get the woman, what happens? She lays there, occasionally moans, and then asks you to get her a towel.
Then what? She expects to be waited on hand and foot and constantly praised because she let you have some pussy? gtfoooooooooooo
You bring something to the table that impresses me for a change! You show me yours and I'lll show you mine, yanno? Trade-off.Common Sense Crew
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03-16-2011, 02:54 PM #128
So I dated this chick for a few months in high school. She had an abusive druggie ex boyfriend. When I say abusive, I mean he really hit her. Punched her car window one time. She met me and we hit it off. Polar opposite of him. He was short, I'm tall. He was skinny, I workout. He did drugs, I don't etc. The relationship didn't work out because we lived in different cities, and I wasn't willing to date someone that far away when I was a junior and there were so many good looking girls at my school. We stayed friends, and I still talk to her about every 6 months or so. She's now married to a very nice guy, and doing very will financially [but hates her marriage.]
This chick had a list of about 20 things that she needed in a guy when she met. She consistently added 4-5 things per year to her list.
I'm serious, by the time she got married it was like 40 something long. Some of the bullsh!t included:
-Has be big
-Has to be able to pick me up
-Wants to take trips several times a year to foreign places [lmfao wtf]
-Likes to sing [again wtf, yea this is great, but a requirement??]
-Great dancer
...among the other usual pathetic tripe like funny, rich, handsome, etc.
Guess what, the guy she married was not any of the things. He's short, skinny, doesn't workout. But he's a good looking guy, and doesn't look like he'll ever get fat. He also doesn't drink, curse, and he runs his own business. He takes care of his brother and mother, and goes to church not weekly, but as much as he can. He's practically the poster boy for what women "say" they want. He'd never cheat. He'd never hit her. He's probably going to be an amazing father. She told me she hates her marriage. She won't get divorced but she feels like he's not "emotionally available" to her. In all honesty I like the guy. I think he's a stand up fellow, and if I was in the same area as them, I'd probably hang out with him. He meets none of her "criteria" and despite him being a stable man, with a good job, and works his butt of to keep her happy, she hates it. lolz
TL;DR: women don't know what the f*ck they want.I don't rep back - I don't want your reps
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03-16-2011, 02:58 PM #129
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I agree with neekz0r. Your list should mirror what you have to offer.
The past few months of interaction with new people and self-discovery have begun the "list" of what I look for (I wouldn't have known what to write if asked 6 months ago). What I've compiled are standards that I hold/would hold myself to (all besides the usual blabber; decent looking, nonsmoker, etc.)
-Well-read/cultured - I've been doing lots of reading in these last few months and with that I developed a broader and more humble mind. I've also found that peers in my age group can't hold an intelligible conversation so having someone that is knowledgeable on different topics is pretty nice. The only person who enjoy I speaking to is my brother. Very mature and intelligent (no incest). Taught me a lot about myself and people/society.
-One who is always in pursuit of higher education.
-I would like fit but I've become flexible with this one.
I was attracted to a guy in my English until he began to speak No passion, no enthusiasm, no interest in learning.
I was skeptical but Demetria may be right about this whole intelligent man thing
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03-16-2011, 03:13 PM #130
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03-16-2011, 03:32 PM #131
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/facepalm
you joking right?
My best friends gf has the same mindset. My friend being beta ******* that he is; now reads about art, music, dance, politics and philosophy just so his gf can tell her friends that she has an intelligent guy...
IMO, unless you're some kind of super nerd, knowing basic **** like Victorian era, French manlet and world wars is enough.Last edited by Fanatik; 03-16-2011 at 03:56 PM.
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03-16-2011, 03:47 PM #132
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**** lists on what you want. Look for deal breakers instead. If you focus on the things you know don't work for you, then that leaves your options more open. Also, you avoid the trap like the lady I lambasted. Her list is mostly trivial and ill-thought out.
IE, if you are looking for a long term relationship, **** like "being silly" is the most asinine thing ever. You think "being silly" is going to help when your finances are down the tube because the guy blows money on world of warcraft gold? **** no.
So you value higher education. Bravo. But you know what? There's only so much education. You COULD look for a guy who also wants higher education. Or you could simply say "a deal breaker for me is anyone who chooses to remain in ignorance". What's the difference? There are a of people in the world who have a higher education; but their reasoning for doing may not match what you want. What you want is sounds like what I said, someone who's driven to learn for learning sake.
In other words, if you have a list of things that you require, each requirement you add decreases the available pool of people drastically. So if you say "I want blue eyes, brown hair, and athletic build." that's very limiting. If you say "I don't like brown eyes, blonde hair, and fat people" that opens up more options. You may not get a blue eyed person with an athletic build, but you may be surprised by how many other traits he has that you do like -- and all of a sudden, those blue eyes don't seem as important.
In short, like a person despite of, not because of.
Examples of **** that is a deal breaker for me in women:
*Party girls
*Lack of money management skills
*Girls who think their looks are enough to keep my attention for longer then it takes me to eye **** them
*Girls who don't bring **** to the relationship table
*Girls who choose to remain in ignorance
*Girls who flip out if I have a differing opinion and can't handle it
*Girls who don't help me with my goalsLast edited by neekz0r; 03-16-2011 at 03:53 PM.
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'A seed'
'A... seed?'
'An acorn that is unafraid to destroy itself in growing into a tree.'
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03-16-2011, 03:51 PM #133
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03-16-2011, 04:17 PM #134
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03-16-2011, 04:20 PM #135
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My list was quite short as I recall but it said "fun to hang out with", which to me means able to have debates/discussions/deep conversations, teach me new things and learn things from me, as well as mucking about play fighting (or in our case, MMA fighting lol) and playing pranks on each other or just watching a comedy on TV, whatever.
Edit: the point of this was that I suppose I could have listed all those activities individually and had a much longer list.Last edited by Tiffany Wantsmore; 03-16-2011 at 04:36 PM.
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03-16-2011, 04:21 PM #136
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Well of course money is important. But it's importance will vary from woman to woman. Yes, MOST do care about money. I think there's a difference between marrying for money and taking into consideration how much they make/their financial history when you're dating. Inb4bankruptcy.
Would you be with a woman that made enough to barely make ends meet? How about if she didn't work? It's important to all of us. A person who places a great deal of value on a salary speaks volumes about their character and integrity. Why do GIRLS not want to be independent?!? I just don't get it. Anyway...
I stand by the belief that women who look to money first (or second) when pursuing a serious relationship are severely lacking in some way (they always are). They are all harboring some deep-rooted problems and they carry that far into their lives.
If I do look replace love with money, which there is always that possibility (because I can be downright nasty and vindictive), I would actually be disappointed in myself.
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03-16-2011, 04:26 PM #137
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03-16-2011, 05:11 PM #145
There are a lot of very well educated men [and women] who will be facing banktrupcty very soon, or at the very least, a life time of indentured servitude to pay off the loans for those MAs, MBAs, PhDs, and JDs in oversaturated markets. Being well educated does not equate to being highly compensated. A 25 year old graduate of law school, will be roughly [average] 90-100k in debt. Most schools are seeing 70-90% of grads having about that much. A guy who went to work in construction at 18, maybe got a union job, or maybe does solo/contract work, will have no debt, and at the minimum 30-40k per year x 7 years = Half a million up on the law school grad. By the time the law school grad either finds work in a small firm [average of 3-5 years currently] or does enough leg work to start solo, or just gives up and leaves the profession for something else, he may be 30. The guy with 12 years of steady income has a HUGE leg up on him.
90% of those law school grads will be unemployed or employed in a non-law career for the remainder of their lives. You were the one that brought up education. I'm merely stating education will go out the window when you have to take maternity leave and he can't pay the bills with an MA in PoliSci.
Would you be with a woman that made enough to barely make ends meet? How about if she didn't work? It's important to all of us. A person who places a great deal of value on a salary speaks volumes about their character and integrity. Why do GIRLS not want to be independent?!? I just don't get it. Anyway...
I stand by the belief that women who look to money first (or second) when pursuing a serious relationship are severely lacking in some way (they always are). They are all harboring some deep-rooted problems and they carry that far into their lives.
/facepalm.
Money is the number one issue in divorce. Women initiate 70% of divorces directly. Women also make up 70% of retail spending. Money is CLEARLY important to women.
If I do look replace love with money, which there is always that possibility (because I can be downright nasty and vindictive), I would actually be disappointed in myself.I don't rep back - I don't want your reps
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03-16-2011, 05:38 PM #146
Actually this is very true, I know very successful people with very little education. I know very educated people that are also successful. These people have one thing in common, they have drive. Drive in life, so they plan and are strategic about both personal and work decisions. They appear to know the business they pursue and it shows.
I think [and of course this is a generalization] most men would be ok with a wife that didn't work on these stipulations 1) he can support them solo, 2) she's being a mother, giving her kids attention that they desperately need over childcare or babysitting, and 3) she is not an outrageous spender. I know if I could support my wife with 1 income, and she didn't want to work, as long as she was reasonable I would be on board.
Surely you can't be serious? You've bought into feminism hook line and sinker. You can work fulltime! You can be a mother! Your kids won't suffer! Your career won't either! Nor will your relationship with your husband! You can have it all!
Money is the number one issue in divorce. Women initiate 70% of divorces directly. Women also make up 70% of retail spending. Money is CLEARLY important to women.
Love is a pipe dream. It is something that grows over time out of a mutual respect and admiration for each other. It is not something found in the throbbing underpants of your partner [by either sex, not singling out one sex; men are absolutely horrible at falling in love just because the girl had sex with them for some period of time.]
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03-16-2011, 05:59 PM #147
My list has length, but I can't begin to tell you how many men I've met via Internet dating with the qualities I enjoy in a man. Tons! There are so many wonderful, single men out there. I was surprised, especially based on what I had heard from female friends--that there are no 'good' men left in this world. Not true, or maybe it's because they don't know where to look, or what qualities to look for.
Additionally, I'm able to mirror every single quality on my list of preferences. I like men that share a somewhat similar mindset, which is why I've listed those specific things. Not an exact match, as I believe it's good to have a little something to brush up against, a little friction for spice and to keep things interesting.
I don't know about that. I'm from the Internet dating world, and found my husband as a result. And nothing is more of a turnoff than someone ranting incessantly about the things they hate, or don't want in a partner. It makes a person's ad or spiel seem jaded, unfriendly, and inflexible. Big turnoff IMO.
I prefer to focus on what I 'like' as opposed to the type of man that should stay away. And let me tell you, the men I went out with said it was refreshing to meet a woman that doesn't define herself based on what she doesn't want in a man, or in life.
Hey, but those ads are out there--I don't want a man to be like this, or he must not be like that. But what does a person actually want? So this is what I use as my calling card--my likes (the fun things), and based on these clear definitions, the types of men I don't want will preemptively weed themselves out.
That's the dark side of an 'educated' person, but I can show you an even darker side for those that put zero, or minimal forethought into planning for the future. It can get a lot uglier than that, and with greater consistency.
I tend to believe that intelligent people (despite the type of intelligence being measured), have a tendency to 'think' themselves out of tough situations with greater ease. I know professors that lost their jobs, then honed their skills to become park rangers, tour guides, museum curators, etc. Intelligence allows for increased flexibility, and when one door shuts, the thinking person looks for another to open, or even to build new doors. That's my belief, and why I enjoy individuals with good and solid brains.Any idiot can face a crisis, it is this day-to-day living that wears you out. Anton Chekhov
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