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    Labrada HICA Max?

    Has anyone tried this yet? Looks interesting

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    Originally Posted by ZDub212 View Post
    Coming soon! Promotion starts soon, this is pretty big!
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    Originally Posted by ZDub212 View Post
    Coming soon! Promotion starts soon, this is pretty big!
    Humanogrowth isn't on the company website anymore?
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Humanogrowth isn't on the company website anymore?
    maybe its gonna be the replacement?
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    Originally Posted by huge908 View Post
    Supplement Facts?
    Its 500mg alpha-hydroxy-isocaproic acid, 1.5g carbs per tablet


    and from their site:

    Originally Posted by labrada.com
    HICA-MAX™ is a powerful non-hormonal, natural stimulator of *muscle growth.HICA-MAX™ chewables contain 100% pharmaceutical grade leucic acid, also known as alpha-hydroxy-isocaproic acid (HICA), a natural metabolite of the branched chain amino acid, leucine.

    HICA-MAX™ works by increasing protein synthesis (anabolism), and decreasing muscle protein breakdown (catabolism.) Its mechanism of action has been suggested as an independent mTOR signal transducer, which is a “cell-signaler” for muscle protein synthesis. Leucic acid also interrupts muscle protein breakdown by activating nuclear factor kappa B and inhibiting caspase-8. It may also activate IGF-1, a growth factor that helps age-related decreases in your body’s growth hormone output.
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    Originally Posted by ZB126 View Post
    maybe its gonna be the replacement?
    Looks to be a totally different product. Would be a shame to see humanogrowth go, one of the few products out there that really made a noticeable difference in recovery time for me.
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    bump. Anyone try this yet?
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    I am currently taking this. It's been almost a week. So far I feel fuller/muscles feel heavier if that makes sense. They taste pretty good too.
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    Originally Posted by metal2469 View Post
    I am currently taking this. It's been almost a week. So far I feel fuller/muscles feel heavier if that makes sense. They taste pretty good too.
    Cool, keep us updated. Maybe once a week, and let us know how it works for you.
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    started this also yesterday, will see if it helps at all
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    Originally Posted by metal2469 View Post
    I am currently taking this. It's been almost a week. So far I feel fuller/muscles feel heavier if that makes sense. They taste pretty good too.
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    started this also yesterday, will see if it helps at all
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    I am currently taking this but am interested to see if people are dosing different than recommended and what they report from it.
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    my push ups went up 4 reps Saturday so that's good and i wasn't sore at all on Sunday!, no weight gain and maybe a little more pump. We see how it go's later on this week.
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    My HICA-Max Experience

    HICA-Max is the newest growth stimulation tablet to enter the market from Lee Labrada
    Nutriton, maker of Humanogrowth.
    HICA-Max comes in a chewable tablet form with 4 assorted fruit flavors these include:
    Lime, Fruit, Watermelon, and Orange.
    The suggested daily directions state to take 3-5 tablets per day, based according to
    bodyweight, and on an empty stomach. The label advises users to not take HICA-Max
    with protein or amino acids.
    The three main ingredients of HICA-Max are: 500MG of HICA Leucic Acid, also known as
    Alpha-Hydroxy-Isocproic Acid, artificial sugars Xylitol, at 1.5 Grams, and Sucralose.
    The label states that the tablets contain 100% pharmaceutical grade leucic acid.
    Leucic acid is a product of Leucine, which is an amino acid commonly found in fermented cheeses and wine.
    According to the latest research, HICA has shown to be a potent anticatabolic
    supplement with the ability to fight muscle soreness and help build lean muscle mass.
    Study source : John Hopkins 1973, J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2010.
    These positive results may indicate that under proper dosage HICA may provide more muscle mass and less muscle breakdown or catabolism in athletes.
    In comparison it is possible that the same effects of HICA may be achieved by increasing ones intake of L-Leucine to a whopping dosage of 15-20 grams per day.
    Currently Oy Elmomed LTD. of Finland owns a patent on both HICA and any claims regarding LBM with HICA use.
    My current supplementation stack includes a pre-workout pill similar to the
    ingredients found in Yok3d and Jack3d. I have also been taking KreAlkalyn, L-Glutamine, and Vitamin D with L-Tyrosine. I have had no side effects from these other supplements. My diet is very clean and I am all natural in good health.
    I took HICA-Max as directed and experienced a wide variety of severe side effects which I will now describe here.
    During my short use of HICA-Max I stopped all other supplementation in order
    to observe the effect of HICA-Max alone.
    On my first use of HICA-Max I experienced a mild sense of brain fog followed by a severe loss of energy (a bad crash). On my second dose of HICA-Max I began experiencing severe room spinning dizziness, this was followed by mild nausea and slight flushing of the skin, much like that of Niacin flush.
    I felt exhausted and something in HICA-Max was to blame.
    Today I decided to take a short nap at 3:00PM, when I awoke it was 10:30PM a full
    seven and a half hours later. I had taken HICA-Max at 2:30pm. This "lost time" was
    followed by very severe dizziness which lasted three hours and nearly caused me to fall.
    According to my research the probable cause for these horrid symptoms is likely the high dosage of Xylitol and Sucralose found in the HICA-Max tablet.
    No recent studies have indicated any side effects of HICA, although research on leucic acid remains rather minimal at this point.
    The second primary ingrident of HICA-Max is Xylitol, a manufactured artificial sugar commonly crafted from xyaln hemicellulose which is found in Birch trees.
    Xylitol use may cause mild to serious side effects such as stomach pain, diarrhea, or
    in some cases kidney problems. In rare cases it is believed that extended use of
    Xylitol could lead to tumors or kidney failure.
    Some products containing Xylitol carry a label of caution such as these: "In some
    users Xlylitol requires a period of tolerance adjustment."
    It is the current belief that the safest dosage of Xylitol should not not exceed more
    than 500MG, the suggested daily intake of HICA-Max exceeds this amount by 9 times at
    4,500MG or 4.5 Grams.
    The third ingredient of HICA-Max is sucralose, also an artificial sugar known to
    cause symptoms of headaches, skin flushing and dizziness. In recent studies animals
    subjected to Sucralose developed poor livers and severe kidney problems while some died.
    I will not take this supplement any further.
    I doubt leucic acid is to blame for my miserable HICA-Max experience. I hope this
    review can serve as a word of caution to others that may be very allergic to the
    effect of such a high dose of Xylitol mixed with Sucralose.

    CONS:
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    Huge Loss Of Energy
    Slight Skin Flushing
    Mild Nausea
    Increased Urination
    Very Mild Back Pump
    Very Mild Headache

    PROS:
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    I have experienced no sides at all. But I have also not experienced any positive changes either. So far HICA MAX = new gimick
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    Originally Posted by nick912 View Post
    I have experienced no sides at all. But I have also not experienced any positive changes either. So far HICA MAX = new gimick
    Glad you had no sides! Too bad neither of us got any results either.
    The reviews being posted on the store page make HICA-Max sound like a miracle pill. "I took it once now Im ripped!"
    Maybe Leucic Acid can have some positive effects. But likley those would come over time, not instantly! Something's very fishy.
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    Originally Posted by JayPilon View Post
    HICA-Max is the newest growth stimulation tablet to enter the market from Lee Labrada
    Nutriton, maker of Humanogrowth.
    HICA-Max comes in a chewable tablet form with 4 assorted fruit flavors these include:
    Lime, Fruit, Watermelon, and Orange.
    The suggested daily directions state to take 3-5 tablets per day, based according to
    bodyweight, and on an empty stomach. The label advises users to not take HICA-Max
    with protein or amino acids.
    The three main ingredients of HICA-Max are: 500MG of HICA Leucic Acid, also known as
    Alpha-Hydroxy-Isocproic Acid, artificial sugars Xylitol, at 1.5 Grams, and Sucralose.
    The label states that the tablets contain 100% pharmaceutical grade leucic acid.
    Leucic acid is a product of Leucine, which is an amino acid commonly found in fermented cheeses and wine.
    According to the latest research, HICA has shown to be a potent anticatabolic
    supplement with the ability to fight muscle soreness and help build lean muscle mass.
    Study source : John Hopkins 1973, J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2010.
    These positive results may indicate that under proper dosage HICA may provide more muscle mass and less muscle breakdown or catabolism in athletes.
    In comparison it is possible that the same effects of HICA may be achieved by increasing ones intake of L-Leucine to a whopping dosage of 15-20 grams per day.
    Currently Oy Elmomed LTD. of Finland owns a patent on both HICA and any claims regarding LBM with HICA use.
    My current supplementation stack includes a pre-workout pill similar to the
    ingredients found in Yok3d and Jack3d. I have also been taking KreAlkalyn, L-Glutamine, and Vitamin D with L-Tyrosine. I have had no side effects from these other supplements. My diet is very clean and I am all natural in good health.
    I took HICA-Max as directed and experienced a wide variety of severe side effects which I will now describe here.
    During my short use of HICA-Max I stopped all other supplementation in order
    to observe the effect of HICA-Max alone.
    On my first use of HICA-Max I experienced a mild sense of brain fog followed by a severe loss of energy (a bad crash). On my second dose of HICA-Max I began experiencing severe room spinning dizziness, this was followed by mild nausea and slight flushing of the skin, much like that of Niacin flush.
    I felt exhausted and something in HICA-Max was to blame.
    Today I decided to take a short nap at 3:00PM, when I awoke it was 10:30PM a full
    seven and a half hours later. I had taken HICA-Max at 2:30pm. This "lost time" was
    followed by very severe dizziness which lasted three hours and nearly caused me to fall.
    According to my research the probable cause for these horrid symptoms is likely the high dosage of Xylitol and Sucralose found in the HICA-Max tablet.
    No recent studies have indicated any side effects of HICA, although research on leucic acid remains rather minimal at this point.
    The second primary ingrident of HICA-Max is Xylitol, a manufactured artificial sugar commonly crafted from xyaln hemicellulose which is found in Birch trees.
    Xylitol use may cause mild to serious side effects such as stomach pain, diarrhea, or
    in some cases kidney problems. In rare cases it is believed that extended use of
    Xylitol could lead to tumors or kidney failure.
    Some products containing Xylitol carry a label of caution such as these: "In some
    users Xlylitol requires a period of tolerance adjustment."
    It is the current belief that the safest dosage of Xylitol should not not exceed more
    than 500MG, the suggested daily intake of HICA-Max exceeds this amount by 9 times at
    4,500MG or 4.5 Grams.
    The third ingredient of HICA-Max is sucralose, also an artificial sugar known to
    cause symptoms of headaches, skin flushing and dizziness. In recent studies animals
    subjected to Sucralose developed poor livers and severe kidney problems while some died.
    I will not take this supplement any further.
    I doubt leucic acid is to blame for my miserable HICA-Max experience. I hope this
    review can serve as a word of caution to others that may be very allergic to the
    effect of such a high dose of Xylitol mixed with Sucralose.

    CONS:
    Severe "Room Spinning" Dizziness
    Huge Loss Of Energy
    Slight Skin Flushing
    Mild Nausea
    Increased Urination
    Very Mild Back Pump
    Very Mild Headache

    PROS:
    Slight Pump
    Your symptoms exhibit a classic allergic reaction to something in the product, most likely the xylitol. I'd recommend you stop taking it. I'm sorry that you didn't have a good experience.

    Originally Posted by nick912 View Post
    I have experienced no sides at all. But I have also not experienced any positive changes either. So far HICA MAX = new gimick
    How long have you been taking it? What dose are you following? How long have you been training? Do you have any other supplement experience? Please let us know what's up before giving up on us. This product works and it works very well.

    Originally Posted by JayPilon View Post
    Glad you had no sides! Too bad neither of us got any results either.
    The reviews being posted on the store page make HICA-Max sound like a miracle pill. "I took it once now Im ripped!"
    Maybe Leucic Acid can have some positive effects. But likley those would come over time, not instantly! Something's very fishy.
    No, nothing is fishy. We do not have undercover reps or shills. Trust me, I work deep within the heart of the company. Lee is all about honesty. I haven't even seen those specific reviews which you're citing, but everything that's come across my desk has been outstandingly positive.

    Also, Xylitol is not artificial, it is a natural sweetener. The upper limits of xylitol aren't accurate as listed above.

    Here's more information on Xylitol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol
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    A Few More Points...

    Bullet points to know about HICA.

    1) Taking Leucine is not an effective way of getting HICA. HICA is a specific metabolite from Leucine that has a specific molecular configuration and thus specific properties. In order to get the benefits one needs to take the isolated metabolite. To say that one can get HICA from Leucine is no different than saying you can double your testosterone levels by taking DHEA.

    2) Only with Labrada Nutrition you can be assured to get 100% HICA. Labrada Nutrition has tested many other products and found that some products are just Leucine while other products are just at 80% of the label claim.

    3) Studies have found that HICA in chewable form is better absorbed than HICA in capsule form.
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    Originally Posted by ZDub212 View Post
    Bullet points to know about HICA.

    1) Taking Leucine is not an effective way of getting HICA. HICA is a specific metabolite from Leucine that has a specific molecular configuration and thus specific properties. In order to get the benefits one needs to take the isolated metabolite. To say that one can get HICA from Leucine is no different than saying you can double your testosterone levels by taking DHEA.

    2) Only with Labrada Nutrition you can be assured to get 100% HICA. Labrada Nutrition has tested many other products and found that some products are just Leucine while other products are just at 80% of the label claim.

    3) Studies have found that HICA in chewable form is better absorbed than HICA in capsule form.
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    Wouldn't it be funny if i were able to prove that in a dose dependent manner HICA can actually turn back into Leucine?

    In my opinion a significant dose of Leucine will provide an adequate amount of HICA. There are some really good BCAA sups out there with high doses of Leucine. When Leucine is fully metabolised you get HICA. So what's the approximate percentage? How much Leucine equals 500mgs of HICA?

    HICA can be converted to KICA which can subsequently be converted back to Leucine, they can act to provide the dietary requirements for BCAA without increasing level of ingested nitrogen (Boebek K P, Baker D H. Comparative utilization of the α-keto and D- and L-α-hydroxy analogs of Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine by chicks and rats. J Nutr. 1982 October; 112(10):1929-39).


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    Originally Posted by ZDub212 View Post
    Bullet points to know about HICA.

    1) Taking Leucine is not an effective way of getting HICA. HICA is a specific metabolite from Leucine that has a specific molecular configuration and thus specific properties. In order to get the benefits one needs to take the isolated metabolite. To say that one can get HICA from Leucine is no different than saying you can double your testosterone levels by taking DHEA.

    2) Only with Labrada Nutrition you can be assured to get 100% HICA. Labrada Nutrition has tested many other products and found that some products are just Leucine while other products are just at 80% of the label claim.

    3) Studies have found that HICA in chewable form is better absorbed than HICA in capsule form.
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    Why should you not take this product with protein? Is it at all or just not at the same time?
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    Originally Posted by Tmoetf34 View Post
    Why should you not take this product with protein? Is it at all or just not at the same time?
    I take mine sometimes with..sometimes without..see no difference...with that being said...

    I kind of got out of lifting for awhile(cut it in half)..got tired of worrying when to eat protein...how much...what kind..blah blah blah...And just spending so much money on protein and supplements lol Anyway got back into lifting a couple of months ago and I read about hica and how if it did work, you could theoretically cut down on your protein..So I started to take another brand of hica..about 4 g's a day...did nothing for me...I kept looking at hica max and said what the hell, I will try it..but take a little more then the first brand I took...cut my protein down from about 225 g's to 125..give or take...well guess what? Have kept all my muscle...lifts went up a little and got a little more cut...Could I have done that without the hica? I doubt it...Anytime in the past I lowered my protein down below 175 g's...my lifts went down big time and I shrunk..but in a bad way lol I also stop taking Creatine when I started the hica...So I think it works....The doms part? Well I have been over training slightly to see what kind of recovery I get from hica....and yeah I am sold...lifts been great..not much in the way of doms...anyway my 2 cents on hica....Peace

    P.S. I have cut down on protein before and mega drank BCAA's and esp Lucine...did not work like hica...
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    i was at 194 or so before workouts for the last 2 yrs, sunday hit 198 for the first time ever! still holding it pretty much. I have had 2 long islands the past few saturday evenings,they do have sugar i know and I feel a tab bloated. I ate big meals in the past and the next day or 2 the pound or 2 was gone and never hit 198. I feeling more harder also and push ups went up pretty big over the last month and a half. I ordered 2 more jugs to see how it goes, its been like 5 weeks now. Also liquid avena sativa helped get my test levels up because I have blood work done every 6 months due to HRT.
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    Some good literature on this, but I cant see it outperforming leucine, especially at high doses in a bcaa or eaa cocktail. With that said, it does look promising and Labrada makes really high quality stuff time and time again.
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    Tempted to take a flyer on this but I've had awesome results with high luecine intake
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    3) Studies have found that HICA in chewable form is better absorbed than HICA in capsule form.
    once again link to said studys?
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