Can anyone recommend a solid pre-workout product?

[garygunderman92]

I am currently taking Cellucor's C4 Extreme Pre-workout/NO product...and it sucks! I dont feel any energy boost, my vascularity and pumps arent affected whatsoever by it... I guess I got what I paid for ($24.99)! So my next question is, can anyone recommend preworkout/NO products that they firmly believe will actually help give me a solid pump, help my vascularity, and give me a good energy boost? Name your favorite product that youve personally taken, and why its your favorite.


Thank you so much for all your help!!

-Gary

[hogangolfpro]

I am currently taking Cellucor's C4 Extreme Pre-workout/NO product...and it sucks! I dont feel any energy boost, my vascularity and pumps arent affected whatsoever by it... I guess I got what I paid for ($24.99)! So my next question is, can anyone recommend preworkout/NO products that they firmly believe will actually help give me a solid pump, help my vascularity, and give me a good energy boost? Name your favorite product that youve personally taken, and why its your favorite.


Thank you so much for all your help!!

-Gary

If you're looking for a great non-stim pre, give ultima a try. I have it stacked with p-bol right now and been getting sick focus, energy/endurance and pumps. My favorite stim pre would be White flood, but don't know if I'll ever go back to it since trying this new stim-free stack.

[garygunderman92]

i got jack3d instead, seems alot stronger than c4

[sandaltan]

I am currently taking Cellucor's C4 Extreme Pre-workout/NO product...and it sucks! I dont feel any energy boost, my vascularity and pumps arent affected whatsoever by it... I guess I got what I paid for ($24.99)! So my next question is, can anyone recommend preworkout/NO products that they firmly believe will actually help give me a solid pump, help my vascularity, and give me a good energy boost? Name your favorite product that youve personally taken, and why its your favorite.


Thank you so much for all your help!!

-Gary

the best pre-workouts IMO are a bcaa/eaa product (like core ABC) + a small or 1/2 serving of something like flashover or white flood or your favorite stim product. im very sensitive to stims, but i react well to bcaa products (which are far superior in my mind), but you can adjust the amount of stims according to how your body reacts.

good luck!

[TheFugitive]

Xtreme Shock RTD's

[miamibodybuilder]

well for the last few months i've been using AAEFX's KOTIC. have you heard of this product? if not, go out and get it man. it's truly the best pre-workout i've used thus far. i actually gave out samples at the gym i work nights at and i would say that about more than half of the gym is now using this product. i use 1 1/2 scoops and thats more than enough of energy to get me through my grueling workouts and then some. the best thing about the product is that theres not crash once it's done, unlike other pwo products. but definitely look into it and try to get yourself a bottle man. i assure you that you'll love it.

[whippid]

MusclePharm Assault
Superpump Max
White Flood
Universal Shock Therapy
Animal Rage

[powercage]

Gary,

Sounds to me like you should be taking some time off of all stims. If you arent feeling any energy boost you may be tolerant right now. Take 2-4 weeks off ALL stims. Then come back at it and give another preworkout a shot. Your CNS will thank you

[Mr.Cooper69]

the best pre-workouts IMO are a bcaa/eaa product (like core ABC) + a small or 1/2 serving of something like flashover or white flood or your favorite stim product. im very sensitive to stims, but i react well to bcaa products (which are far superior in my mind), but you can adjust the amount of stims according to how your body reacts.

good luck!

Xtreme Shock RTD's

well for the last few months i've been using AAEFX's KOTIC. have you heard of this product? if not, go out and get it man. it's truly the best pre-workout i've used thus far. i actually gave out samples at the gym i work nights at and i would say that about more than half of the gym is now using this product. i use 1 1/2 scoops and thats more than enough of energy to get me through my grueling workouts and then some. the best thing about the product is that theres not crash once it's done, unlike other pwo products. but definitely look into it and try to get yourself a bottle man. i assure you that you'll love it.

MusclePharm Assault
Superpump Max
White Flood
Universal Shock Therapy
Animal Rage

Every post here just failed, he already picked jack3d as mentioned above

No flameeeeeee

[neddo]

You're gonna hear many different products being pushed by different people.

The best will be:

White Flood - stim - cheap
Ultima - nonstim - expensive but extremely well dosed
Body Octane - nonstim - helps with endurance, increases gains - expensive
Clout - nonstim - expensive - great strength gains - good creatine source
Assault
SP 250/Max

Jack3d is a stim heavy product with a potentially unsafe ingredient (DMAA). Take it for what you will, but there are better dosed products on the market (listed above).

[drewkowsky]

Its been a few years but I really liked White Flood.
Right now doing Size-On + Clearshot when I need stims.

[Mr.Cooper69]

You're gonna hear many different products being pushed by different people.

The best will be:

White Flood - stim - cheap
Ultima - nonstim - expensive but extremely well dosed
Body Octane - nonstim - helps with endurance, increases gains - expensive
Clout - nonstim - expensive - great strength gains - good creatine source
Assault
SP 250/Max

Jack3d is a stim heavy product with a potentially unsafe ingredient (DMAA). Take it for what you will, but there are better dosed products on the market (listed above).

Its been a few years but I really liked White Flood.
Right now doing Size-On + Clearshot when I need stims.

I quit.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Gary,

Sounds to me like you should be taking some time off of all stims. If you arent feeling any energy boost you may be tolerant right now. Take 2-4 weeks off ALL stims. Then come back at it and give another preworkout a shot. Your CNS will thank you

And this wins the award for only good advice in the thread!

[garygunderman92]

Gary,

Sounds to me like you should be taking some time off of all stims. If you arent feeling any energy boost you may be tolerant right now. Take 2-4 weeks off ALL stims. Then come back at it and give another preworkout a shot. Your CNS will thank you

Ok, thank you very much. I appreciate the advice!!

[jourdanc]

When you say that you respond well to BCAAs are you referring to the pump that you get during your workout?

Non-stim just means no caffeine right?

[ezra76]

2 off brands that have worked best for me.

MuscleSport Int. Lean Revolution- Good pumps, pretty heavy stim feeling though. Makes Jack3d look like Kool-aid.

Cloma Pharma Methyldrene ATP- Less stimmed out, great energy/endurance, by far the best pumps I've ever seen.

Pricewise, you'd be hard pressed to beat the Cloma Pharma. There are companies selling stuff with less than half the ingredients for double the price.

[Anthony21]

As mentioned by Powercage take some time off stims and when you are ready and feel you need that extra kick are a few of my recommendations in no particular order.

Presurge Unleashed, Xtreme Formulations Vengeance, Shock Therapy, Superpump Max, Animal Rage (haven't tried it but it's getting good reviews), Cryoshock, Flashover

Maybe you might wanna go the non-stim route

Ultima, Pump Bol, Bodyforge, Intrabolic, Sizeon Pre or Max Contest, Ice Plus, Clout + Body Octane

These are some products to look into.

[mistabigstuff19]

good call on picking up the jack3d (not srs)

[husker3in4]

I would suggest Jack3d. I have also tried White Flood and Assault. Assault is pretty decent at 3/4 scoop or 1 scoop, White Flood is next to useless. Jack3d works great every time, I use 2 scoops. The recommended dosage of Jack3d is 1-3 scoops so Im pretty much in the middle. Jack3d is fairly inexpensive also at about $25 a tub at most internet sites.

I am currently taking Cellucor's C4 Extreme Pre-workout/NO product...and it sucks! I dont feel any energy boost, my vascularity and pumps arent affected whatsoever by it... I guess I got what I paid for ($24.99)! So my next question is, can anyone recommend preworkout/NO products that they firmly believe will actually help give me a solid pump, help my vascularity, and give me a good energy boost? Name your favorite product that youve personally taken, and why its your favorite.


Thank you so much for all your help!!

-Gary

[Universal Rep]

Animal Rage (haven't tried it but it's getting good reviews)

That's an understatement... Amazing focus and energy without the sides... http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...o_threadrating

For a free Animal Rage sample, www.universalnutrition.com/rage

[XCriticalBenchX]

Gary,

Sounds to me like you should be taking some time off of all stims. If you arent feeling any energy boost you may be tolerant right now. Take 2-4 weeks off ALL stims. Then come back at it and give another preworkout a shot. Your CNS will thank you

Agreed, breaks from stims works awesome and will really make you feel significantly better. You could always use a non-stim pre-workout in the mean time.. I use hemavol when off stims, works awesome to cover me.

Mike

[240witsr]

MP Assault (raspberry lemonade) hands down is the BEST out of all of them... for me at least.

[AlecGaspari]

i got jack3d instead, seems alot stronger than c4

do you understand that a very large dose of stimulants acts as vasoCONSTRICTOR rather then what you want, which is to dilate the blood vessels in hopes of achieving a better pump?????

[garygunderman92]

Agreed, breaks from stims works awesome and will really make you feel significantly better. You could always use a non-stim pre-workout in the mean time.. I use hemavol when off stims, works awesome to cover me.

Mike

Thanks for this especially!!!

-Gary

[garygunderman92]

do you understand that a very large dose of stimulants acts as vasoCONSTRICTOR rather then what you want, which is to dilate the blood vessels in hopes of achieving a better pump?????

And no, I was not aware of that all!! Thank you for informing of this.

[PaleVein]

I'll be trying MPR's PUMP next week. My rep sent me a tub of it to try out, and I'm very stoked to say the least. Appears to be a solid product, just gotta see how it plays out on the gym floor.

[airrade]

White Flood is next to useless.

You're either A. Crazy, B. Use to highly stimmed products or C. Both

Lots of good recommendations here, add ASGT to them as well. Shock Therapy is my fav, SP MAX follows in close second. Ultima is on the list to try.

[garygunderman92]

do you understand that a very large dose of stimulants acts as vasoCONSTRICTOR rather then what you want, which is to dilate the blood vessels in hopes of achieving a better pump?????

I have yet another question- Can this same problem occur when using a non stim product (the vasoconstricting instead of vasodilating)?

[Saintly]

I have yet another question- Can this same problem occur when using a non stim product (the vasoconstricting instead of vasodilating)?

If stimulants are what causes vasoconstriction and a non-stim product contains no stimulants, then will it still cause vasoconstriction?

Read over your own question and see if you can come up with an answer.

[powercage]

You're either A. Crazy, B. Use to highly stimmed products or C. Both

lol yep. White Flood is effective. Anyone that would like to try free samples can pick some up from my sig