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07-27-2011, 01:52 PM #451
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07-27-2011, 02:04 PM #452
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Despite Dave teaching the wide stance in this, every other detail here can really help allmost anyone' squat.
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07-27-2011, 03:34 PM #453
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07-27-2011, 08:48 PM #454
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Dave teaches for geared lifters and the form and technique vary more for raw lifter.
Like sitting back, you cannot sit back as much as he says doing raw squats.
Wide stance is not good for raw lifting.
Box squats are not good for raw squatting , after you have learned how to squat. you need to train going full depth with raw squats for more power out of the hole.
Of course proper shoes/sneakers are the number one thing people do not get.
So you have to understand where some people have been like Dave Tate, he was a geared lifter so his teachings is about geared lifts, he never did train for a raw meet. Most poeple here I think all except me only train raw no gear only belt and knee wraps for squats which is fine but reading Dave's info and trying to apply it to raw squats just won't work out to be totally great.
One last thing I disagree with Dave is Technique. He seems to imply that it is something you got to have and I disagree. You NEED form and every compound lift has it and will dictate that your form has to be a certain way. It is technique that develops after your form is correct. Technique is What you develop to your own genetics. For example on the squat some may like high bar others low bar, some like looking up others like lokking just above eye level, hand gripping the bar close or wide, or going down into the hole fast or slow (but most coaches will tell you to go fast). But all these things are technique that you devolop after the form is correct and the better the form the technique will then generate more results. If your form is crap then your technique will do nothing or make things worse.Good Luck!
Ski
Weight Class: 242lbs
Age: 54
RAW
Best Lifts - Gym | Meet (5/2010)
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Squat.........585 | 625
Bench.........385 | 380
Dead..........550 | 570
Equipped
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07-27-2011, 08:54 PM #455
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07-28-2011, 06:48 AM #456
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07-28-2011, 08:46 AM #457
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We're going to have agree to disagree on this Ski. I power lifted raw for 20 years and Dave's advice of pushing with the oustide of your feet, driving up through your chest, etc are the staples of a good squat period. Yes a wide stance and sitting very far back are for geared squating. I don't understand your premise about box squating not being applicable to raw squating at all.
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07-28-2011, 09:13 AM #458
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I've done both geared and raw and have an American record of 625lbs raw. I have done 770lbs in gear, these are meet lifts I state.
When training for my raw record I did a special 5x5 routine and did only full squats. but after the meet I tried doing something different, raw bax squats. I did 505lbs for 5 reps on the box at parallel, easy, but when I tried to do full range squats raw I was weaker. And may people (Matt Gary is one ) thing box squats do nothing for raw lifting, I tend to agree.
Box squats are to LEARN how to squat but once that is obtained you need to do full squats for strength in raw. In gear that is different.Good Luck!
Ski
Weight Class: 242lbs
Age: 54
RAW
Best Lifts - Gym | Meet (5/2010)
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Squat.........585 | 625
Bench.........385 | 380
Dead..........550 | 570
Equipped
810/610/570 (11/2011)
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07-28-2011, 09:17 AM #459
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07-28-2011, 09:33 AM #460
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07-28-2011, 09:37 AM #461
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07-28-2011, 10:30 AM #462
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Box squating eliminates the stretch reflex and for those who are into the functional fad they would be remise not to include this aspect of training. You don't even need a box, pausing at the bottom or doing pin squats do pretty much the same thing. I squat with and w/o the box. I also vary the depth, bar postion, rep and set schemes, etc.
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07-28-2011, 10:44 AM #463
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07-28-2011, 10:59 AM #464
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I was just making an example of an application of box squats, not saying that new squaters need to worry about the strtech reflex. Nowhere in my post did I assert that but I don't disagree with someone who takes it into account either. Way back in HS football I learned to box squat with the Bigger Faster Stronger program just like thousands of other kids.
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