question to athiests

[CLEAN_SET_OF_10]

OP what is your religious denomination?

[hatersgonhate]

Because it is simple. Science has a reason for mostly everything. Somethings do not need reasoning. Just like when you see a tree on the street. You know its there but a scientist wants to prove its there when all he has to do is look.

It's a simple answer for a simple mind.

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[frasersteen]

Science is replicable. Destroy all science books and remove the knowledge of science from everyone on earth and eventually it will build itself back up again, eventually to the same level at which it was destroyed.

However, destroy all bibles and religions in a similar manner and new religions would slowly form, but unlike science, the new religions would be so blatantly different, the chances of a Christian/muslim/buddhist/jewish etc god ever becoming a big religious figure are literally non-existent.

This goes hand in hand with my theory that theists aren't wrong in believing the universe could have been created by god, but to claim it was a christian, buddhist, muslim, jewish, etc god responsible for the creation of the universe is imbecilic on the most basic logical and rational levels.

Disagree with that, most major religions are remarkably similar. Personally I suspect there is an underlying formula that fits well with the human psyche.


Oh and OP the best reason I can come up with for death, of anything (including stars, planets, universes etc) is entropy. The single most constant rule in the universe is that the universe is always trying to become less organised. Keeping anything in an organised and balanced system is going against the fundamental laws of entropy and will eventually fail.

[Staliyo_Lycan]

The answer is simple...

You have to spend money to make money.

[nakedsnake]

Because it is simple. Science has a reason for mostly everything. Somethings do not need reasoning. Just like when you see a tree on the street. You know its there but a scientist wants to prove its there when all he has to do is look.

science is based on observation and repeated outcomes, testable theories. a philosopher questions observation itself, as in your example, and is not science.

[SexiestMiscer]

they don't "know" when, they respond to outside stimuli, just like you're eye muscles contract to certain light and focus in on an object together giving you an image, body puts on fat when you eat too many calories. it's a miracle of nature indeed.

So say for instance my city was experiencing winter weather during the spring but the trees have began growing their leaves how would you explain that.

[CLEAN_SET_OF_10]

If your brain isn't active then you're either a vegetable or dead.

Notice he said the brain stem controls basic processes necessary for life. It isn't involved with consciousness or dreaming..

Although the brain is a complicated organ, we DO know what its compartments are responsible for, even if you think it is uniform yet inifinitely complex...

[bcg737]

Explain how the trees know when to grow back their leaves.

A well-documented series of chemical reactions begin as they react to differences in temperature, air pressure, humidity etc. that come with the changing seasons. The end Point of these chemical reactions is the cue for the bark of the tree to start growing cytoplasm and other leaf elements

[Winningest]

Disagree with that, most major religions are remarkably similar. Personally I suspect there is an underlying formula that fits well with the human psyche.


Oh and OP the best reason I can come up with for death, of anything (including stars, planets, universes etc) is entropy. The single most constant rule in the universe is that the universe is always trying to become less organised. Keeping anything in an organised and balanced system is going against the fundamental laws of entropy and will eventually fail.

If OP had the slightest ****in clue what entropy is he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place lol.

[buffmouse]

Yes...... "god did it" is alot easier to say then to actually do hard work and find out the answer....

sciences explaination..?

[sportsfan7]

lol @ evolution so amazing when it only works on this planet....

The idea behind evolution can be observed in many places in the universe. For example, the tendency for matter to form into solar systems of stars and planets can be considered an abstract form of evolution.

[SexiestMiscer]

science is based on observation and repeated outcomes, testable theories. a philosopher questions observation itself, as in your example, and is not science.

Ok so I have to go through multiple tests to prove the tree exists when clearly I see it.

[bcg737]

If your brain isn't active then you're either a vegetable or dead.

Your brain stem is constantly active, but durring some periods of sleep the rest of your brain isnt, i stated this very clearly.


How stupid are you?

[Staliyo_Lycan]

So say for instance my city was experiencing winter weather during the spring but the trees have began growing their leaves how would you explain that.

trees have hearts, hearts will product leaves, leaves will fall for the lulz and the cycle goes on and on and on and from little things big things grow

[Winningest]

sciences explaination..?

Finding out the answer and having the answer are not the same, finding the answer is a process. If we had all the answers science wouldn't exist.

[sportsfan7]

Reposting on this page since it answers OP's question:

But why does the brain give up? Why do the organs fail?

The point of evolution is that it's a self-propagating mechanism not for you, but for your genes. You're really nothing more than a capsule carrying your genetic code. So, your genes don't care whether they're spreading via you or via your offspring.

So, as long as you have offspring before you die, there's no evolutionary advantage to your genes for keeping your body alive. So, the body never evolved a way to stay operating past a certain average number of reproductions.

This is sort of a hard to understand concept for many people. To better understand the rationale behind it, read the wikipedia article on the selfish gene. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene

If you already understand the basics of evolution then things should make more sense after reading that.

[SexiestMiscer]

If OP had the slightest ****in clue what entropy is he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place lol.

There is Entropy and then denominations. Jakes on you.

[nakedsnake]

So say for instance my city was experiencing winter weather during the spring but the trees have began growing their leaves how would you explain that.

I wouldn't be able to because I'm not a botanist nor am I educated well in the sciences, but I've observed the same situation you're describing and it happens as temperatures slowly rise and gives way to a warmer climate. I've even seen the bees come out early and then all die off because they thought it was springtime but it wasn't. Nature is indeed a ****ing miracle, but it's not perfect.

[sportsfan7]

Your brain stem is constantly active, but durring some periods of sleep the rest of your brain isnt, i stated this very clearly.


How stupid are you?

Yes, yes it is very active during sleep.

Irony now...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1008101740.htm

[bcg737]

Ok so I have to go through multiple tests to prove the tree exists when clearly I see it.

In short, yes.

We have done multiple tests over hundreds of years to determine what exactly a tree is.

[SexiestMiscer]

Your brain stem is constantly active, but durring some periods of sleep the rest of your brain isnt, i stated this very clearly.


How stupid are you?

So my brain is active since my brain stem is active. The real question is how stupid are you. Your brain never stops until death.

[Winningest]

Ok so I have to go through multiple tests to prove the tree exists when clearly I see it.

Proving a tree exists is philosophical, understanding the mechanisms of the tree's biological functions requires science because the people who wrote the bible had no ****ing idea. No one says you have to do it though, people who are interested in understanding the world will go on ahead and do that and you can go on and do whatever it is that you like. Everyone wins.

[bcg737]

Yes, yes it is very active during sleep.

Irony now...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1008101740.htm

SOME* SOME* SOME* SOME* SOME PERIODS OF SLEEP.

i swear, nobody has the ability to read around here.....

there are intermediate periods of sleep where nothing is active except for the brain stem.

[SexiestMiscer]

Reposting on this page since it answers OP's question:



The point of evolution is that it's a self-propagating mechanism not for you, but for your genes. You're really nothing more than a capsule carrying your genetic code. So, your genes don't care whether they're spreading via you or via your offspring.

So, as long as you have offspring before you die, there's no evolutionary advantage to your genes for keeping your body alive. So, the body never evolved a way to stay operating past a certain average number of reproductions.

This is sort of a hard to understand concept for many people. To better understand the rationale behind it, read the wikipedia article on the selfish gene. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene

If you already understand the basics of evolution then things should make more sense after reading that.

So if its all related to genetics then why don't people have an expiration date?

[sportsfan7]

So if its all related to genetics then why don't people have an expiration date?

What

[SexiestMiscer]

This message is hidden because SexiestMiscer is on your ignore list.

Women's misc. Go there.

[frasersteen]

If OP had the slightest ****in clue what entropy is he wouldn't have made this thread in the first place lol.

Actually I thought this was the most intelligent and reasonable atheist callout thread I have seen. Didn't read much except this page though, maybe OP was being a cock the rest of the time.

[SexiestMiscer]

What

Our death should be genetically determined.

[Eetsleeplift]

OP, you are so stupid. I'm not even hating on you for being christian, you want to believe in god? Cool.

But jesus christ it's like you've never even seen a classroom.





(Lords name in vain x2...u mad?)

[bcg737]

So my brain is active since my brain stem is active. The real question is how stupid are you. Your brain never stops until death.

Certain parts of your brain stop momentarily millions of times a day, they turn off and on when you’re those parts of your brain are not in use. It is a well-documented and repeatable scientific fact, during certain intermediate sleep periods, all of your brain momentarily shuts off (except for the cerebellum/brain stem), for fractions of a second.
This is also a well-documented and tested scientific fact.

Now i go to my original question.

How stupid are you?