Pro-hormones vs. natural testosterone boosters

[Phryde84]

I'm planning to start a bulking cycle next month and I was hoping to get some info/opinions on the pros and cons of pro-hormones and natural test boosters. I've used USP Labs Asteroid Stack (Anabolic Pump, Prime, Powerfull) in the past and had pretty decent size and strength gains. I was just going to do this stack again, but I decided to see what else is out there.

I've never used pro-hormones before so I'm not sure what to expect. I know they're supposed to give you crazy gains, but I've also heard of negative side effects like acne, mood swings, etc. Also, does it cause extra strain on your liver like steroids do? Are there any negative side effects after you're done with the cycle? Does it cause your natural test production to decline?

I was looking at the LG Sciences Trifecta Stack. Has anybody used this? Are there other stacks you would recommend if I decided to go the pro-hormone route? What about doing a combination of pro-hormones and natural test boosters?

I've also looked at some of the websites for the "gray market" anabolics (Cibex-o Labs, Pharma Pro, etc.) and I'm kinda hesitant to try any of those cause it seems like they're basically steroids, not to mention that they're expensive. Has anyone tried these?

I'm 5'8" and a lean 160 right now. I'm looking to get up to 170 in a span of 3 months, just to give you an idea of my goals. Any advice I can get is appreciated.

[askem]

Cibex and PharmaPro are NOT steroids. Not even close. They use steroid-like names on their label and actually sell stuff like ginseng and herbs lolz. Please don't be like the thousands of others that get suckered into buying them.

I suggest you do some serious reading. There's major differences between testosterone boosters and prohormones/designer steroids. Gains depend on your diet and training. Gaining ten pounds can be done naturally.

[Phryde84]

bump

[Mateo1]

Check out Activate Xtreme and Triazole by Driven Sports, I'm taking them right now and strength gains have been outstanding.

[HafNHaf88]

tunedsports.com start reading

[32gOfNattyPB]

Natty test boosters help raise Your test but PH help your body to make more than what its suppose to. That's why you need pct after a cycle cause you got to balance your body out afterward.

[Wildcats160]

I took a prohormone last year. I was only 19 and stupid. Didn't do much research, just took it and lifted. After three weeks I almost beat the **** out of my roommate for something completely mundane and I got really bad acne on my back that was horribly painful to set the bar on for squats. Granted I had amazing gains for only three weeks time but it wasn't worth it in my opinion.

Again I was too young and was uneducated but my experience isn't something I'd recommend to someone. Just my .02

[ezjax]

More bad science, steroids/ph are exogeneous hormones,


Testboosters make your body try to make more hormones, and usually fail..

[finfrock]

Don't take a ph if your goal is only to gain 10 pounds. That can easily be done with proper training and nutrition. Not to mention, you don't seem very knowledgeable on the subject. (Many old threads can be found to help with your research)

If you want to study up here is a great place to start. Anything posted by krzna is some pretty good sh!t. Make sure to read the threads on if you are ready and such. Doing research is key. Even if you don't take them its good to have knowledge on them in case you have a friend who is ignorant to the effects they can have on the body.


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3296321

[Paul_2_Oh]

Edit. Nvm.

[wardpm]

I took a prohormone last year. I was only 19 and stupid. Didn't do much research, just took it and lifted. After three weeks I almost beat the **** out of my roommate for something completely mundane and I got really bad acne on my back that was horribly painful to set the bar on for squats. Granted I had amazing gains for only three weeks time but it wasn't worth it in my opinion.

Again I was too young and was uneducated but my experience isn't something I'd recommend to someone. Just my .02

ah teen PH use

[EntropyIncrease]

tunedsports.com start reading

This.

lol you both fail.

been there lately?

[stosman05]

I used a number of PH's in the early to mid 2000's such as T-Bomb, 4AD, M1t, Super 1+ and so on. I havent used any since 06 or so. I was wondering if the stuff now a days is anything like the old PH's as far as gains and sides go. I am no longer in my mid 20's so I was trying to consider some options

[Paul_2_Oh]

lol you both fail.

been there lately?

Yeah, 10 minutes ago. Strong retraction of my words. I could have sworn I was reading off the site this past weekend. Government intervention?

[EntropyIncrease]

Yeah, 10 minutes ago. Strong retraction of my words. I could have sworn I was reading off the site this past weekend. Government intervention?

just getting rid of the idiots who wrote it.

[SquirrelMaster0]

Hi, all. I just started a stack today. I'd like to hear if anyone has tried it, dosages, side effects, pct suggestions, etc. Any information would be great.

25mg Halodrol
15mg Max LMG
15mg Superdrol
per pill.

Dosage recommendations are 1-3 pills daily for 4-5 weeks. Should I take 1 daily for a week then 2 the second then 3 for weeks 3,4 and 5?

I just don't want to over-do it, this is my first PH cycle. However, I want to get the most out of it, obviously.

I am 5'8 167lbs, bout 12% BF

You really shouldn't be taking that if it is your first cycle, let alone your 5th. This is going to be really bad for your liver and I hope you have a real PCT.

[Saintly]

You really shouldn't be taking that if it is your first cycle, let alone your 5th. This is going to be really bad for your liver and I hope you have a real PCT.

Evidently not...

Hi, all. I just started a stack today. I'd like to hear if anyone has tried it, dosages, side effects, pct suggestions, etc. Any information would be great.

25mg Halodrol
15mg Max LMG
15mg Superdrol
per pill.

Dosage recommendations are 1-3 pills daily for 4-5 weeks. Should I take 1 daily for a week then 2 the second then 3 for weeks 3,4 and 5?

I just don't want to over-do it, this is my first PH cycle. However, I want to get the most out of it, obviously.

I am 5'8 167lbs, bout 12% BF

[Morefishscales]

epistane

[Fraleigh]

I havent used a pro hormone yet exept DHEA, theres lots of bad reviews about it because people use it to oven, I use it once a week and its fine.

this is my own test pack i made that is unreal! im not explaining the herbs..

Test booster pack

2 times a week on legs, and cycle a herb a day (at night)

1.Tribulus Terrestris (1000mg)
2.Panax Ginseng (1000mg)
3.Horney goat weed (750mg)
4.Saw Palmetto (160mg)
5.Ginkgo Biloba (60mg)
6.Fenugreek (500mg)
7.Maca (150mg)
8.Nettle Root Extract (250mg)
9.DHEA (25mg)
10.Rhodiola Rosea (500mg)

Anti-Aromatase/Estrogen Inhibitor pack

1.Formadrol (1050mg)
2.Soy Isoflavones (150mg)
3.Green Tea Extract (400mg)
4.Milk thistle (200mg)
5.Hawthorn Berry (550mg)
6.Astragalus (500mg)
7.Grape Seed (100mg)

Sleep GH pack

1.ZMA Testojack (50mg)
2.Melatonin (3mg)
3.Gaba (750mg)


You MUST cycle your supplements!

Do this, and you'll avoid building up a tolerance.

Fail to do so, and you'll quickly build up resistance to your supplements, and they will completely stop working.

I just reseached what is in test boosters and came up with this, I gain 25-35lbs in 16 weeks. around 20-25lbs of muscle. All from NOW products because there the best.


try some of these herbs!

[HafNHaf88]

lol you both fail.

been there lately?

Obviously you haven't, its back up

[EntropyIncrease]

Obviously you haven't, its back up

o rly?

http://tunedsports.com/

[Mr.Cooper69]

I havent used a pro hormone yet exept DHEA, theres lots of bad reviews about it because people use it to oven, I use it once a week and its fine.

this is my own test pack i made that is unreal! im not explaining the herbs..

Test booster pack

2 times a week on legs, and cycle a herb a day (at night)

1.Tribulus Terrestris (1000mg)
2.Panax Ginseng (1000mg)
3.Horney goat weed (750mg)
4.Saw Palmetto (160mg)
5.Ginkgo Biloba (60mg)
6.Fenugreek (500mg)
7.Maca (150mg)
8.Nettle Root Extract (250mg)
9.DHEA (25mg)
10.Rhodiola Rosea (500mg)

Anti-Aromatase/Estrogen Inhibitor pack

1.Formadrol (1050mg)
2.Soy Isoflavones (150mg)
3.Green Tea Extract (400mg)
4.Milk thistle (200mg)
5.Hawthorn Berry (550mg)
6.Astragalus (500mg)
7.Grape Seed (100mg)

Sleep GH pack

1.ZMA Testojack (50mg)
2.Melatonin (3mg)
3.Gaba (750mg)


You MUST cycle your supplements!

Do this, and you'll avoid building up a tolerance.

Fail to do so, and you'll quickly build up resistance to your supplements, and they will completely stop working.

I just reseached what is in test boosters and came up with this, I gain 25-35lbs in 16 weeks. around 20-25lbs of muscle. All from NOW products because there the best.


try some of these herbs!

sigh

[david600rr]

i've been taking animal stak for the past few days and i really like it.

[CajunPballer]

o rly?

http://tunedsports.com/

Ya rly. Works fine.

$

[robertmm94]

I havent used a pro hormone yet exept DHEA, theres lots of bad reviews about it because people use it to oven, I use it once a week and its fine.

this is my own test pack i made that is unreal! im not explaining the herbs..

Test booster pack

2 times a week on legs, and cycle a herb a day (at night)

1.Tribulus Terrestris (1000mg)
2.Panax Ginseng (1000mg)
3.Horney goat weed (750mg)
4.Saw Palmetto (160mg)
5.Ginkgo Biloba (60mg)
6.Fenugreek (500mg)
7.Maca (150mg)
8.Nettle Root Extract (250mg)
9.DHEA (25mg)
10.Rhodiola Rosea (500mg)

Anti-Aromatase/Estrogen Inhibitor pack

1.Formadrol (1050mg)
2.Soy Isoflavones (150mg)
3.Green Tea Extract (400mg)
4.Milk thistle (200mg)
5.Hawthorn Berry (550mg)
6.Astragalus (500mg)
7.Grape Seed (100mg)

Sleep GH pack

1.ZMA Testojack (50mg)
2.Melatonin (3mg)
3.Gaba (750mg)


You MUST cycle your supplements!

Do this, and you'll avoid building up a tolerance.

Fail to do so, and you'll quickly build up resistance to your supplements, and they will completely stop working.

I just reseached what is in test boosters and came up with this, I gain 25-35lbs in 16 weeks. around 20-25lbs of muscle. All from NOW products because there the best.


try some of these herbs!

wow bro. you must of put in alot of research into that! would you please log that? interested in seeing crazy ph gains with that stack. And duh , you have to cycle everyday for max gains. Your hormones are gnna shot through the roof

and i doubt you will only gain 25 pounds of muslce in 16 weeks! im thinking a good 5 pounds a week on that bro.


















notsrs.

[EntropyIncrease]

Ya rly. Works fine.

$

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whatevs

[smost2009]

I am using the bulking stack from cibex-o-labs for beginners and just started taking the STANAZOL-V in the cycle, it is week 2 and all I have noticed is that my Knee pain after doing legs workout have gone away, my strength is still the same, I just added taking STANAZOL-V to Deca. I just have to see how I do at the end of the cycle. It seems like Deca has cured my knee problems, I used to get Knee ackes when I did legs workouts. That's all I have noriced so far. I have a couple of months to go to complete the cycle.

[NaturalSugarFTW]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=135005141
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=135273531
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=135302931

[iamveryhigh]

lol i remember when my dumbass injected deca in high school because all my friends in my weight training class were doing it.


now i'm fully aware of a proper cycle

[NaturalSugarFTW]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post696026161