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    Originally Posted by saw7988 View Post
    Maybe I'm understanding things wrong, and maybe I'm looking at the study wrong, but isn't this not really anything new? Sure, when fasted the exercise will call for fatty acids for energy, but then you'll just use more carbs for your calories later in the day. Similarly, cardio after breakfast will use more carbs for energy, sure, but then you should be using more fat later in the day. So doesn't it all balance out?
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    this may be stupid but i understand that during the fast, it is alright to consume 50 cals or less. so would consuming a serving of pumpkin from the can constitute as breaking the fast or no because it meets the criteria.
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    this may be stupid but i understand that during the fast, it is alright to consume 50 cals or less. so would consuming a serving of pumpkin from the can constitute as breaking the fast or no because it meets the criteria.
    why would you want to consume only pumpkin?

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    Originally Posted by vitornoob View Post
    why would you want to consume only pumpkin?

    lol

    yes, it would probably break the fast
    sometimes i get hungry during my fast, so i thought a serving of pumpkin which is less than 50 calories may help and still keep me fasted.
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    sometimes i get hungry during my fast, so i thought a serving of pumpkin which is less than 50 calories may help and still keep me fasted.
    Would it actually fill u up for the rest of ur fast?
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    sometimes i get hungry during my fast, so i thought a serving of pumpkin which is less than 50 calories may help and still keep me fasted.
    When people like Martin say it's OK to consume up to 50cals during the fast they're usually saying that to justify taking things like BCAA's - it's questionable whether THAT will break the fast, hard food almost certainly will. If you want to eat breakfast though eat breakfast, you also don't have to fast every day to get the benefits of fasting.
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    sometimes i get hungry during my fast, so i thought a serving of pumpkin which is less than 50 calories may help and still keep me fasted.
    if you are hungry, why are you fasting?



    Originally Posted by TomLambert View Post
    When people like Martin say it's OK to consume up to 50cals during the fast they're usually saying that to justify taking things like BCAA's - it's questionable whether THAT will break the fast, hard food almost certainly will. If you want to eat breakfast though eat breakfast, you also don't have to fast every day to get the benefits of fasting.
    actually there is no scientific study showing real benefits of fasting
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    Originally Posted by vitornoob View Post
    if you are hungry, why are fasting
    Because I'm doing IF and want to get the best results out of it?
    This is my 4th week.
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    Because I'm doing IF and want to get the best results out of it?
    This is my 4th week.
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    Can we continually bump the fact that if you follow IF, you will not see any compositional difference from the same individual NOT IF'ng but hitting the same macros.

    It is merely a regimen of which is easier for some to improve dietary adherence (of which I am one of these individuals come cutting season).

    Not a fan of overthinking.

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    I have found the Alternate Day Fasting is easier for me to follow than Intermittent Fasting. There's also a lot more data on ADF than there is on I.F. Most I.F studies I have seen look at Ramadan and such. There is really no data on it otherwise.
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    Originally Posted by vitornoob View Post
    actually there is no scientific study showing real benefits of fasting
    You are talking out of your ass again. There are plenty of studies looking at alternate day fasting and intermittent fasting. Just not in the context of strength training, or the typical reasons people those on BB.com practice them. Alternate day fasting actually has been shown to be both effective for weight loss and good to improve some health markers (cholesterol, fasting glucose), as well as being safe for most people.
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    Originally Posted by vitornoob View Post

    actually there is no scientific study showing real benefits of fasting
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0403090259.htm


    Dood.. I think I'm just going to put you on block/ignore. Outside of, "scientific data", fasting has existed for centuries in cultures and religions.
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    sometimes i get hungry during my fast, so i thought a serving of pumpkin which is less than 50 calories may help and still keep me fasted.
    A dirty little secret direct from Martin about the 50 cal/breaking the fast thing. It takes more than 50 calories to take you out of the fasted state. He put the 50 calorie limit in place for compliance reasons. High enough to allow people something like some cream in a coffee or two, but low enough to not affect the fasted state.

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    Originally Posted by TomLambert View Post
    When people like Martin say it's OK to consume up to 50cals during the fast they're usually saying that to justify taking things like BCAA's - it's questionable whether THAT will break the fast, hard food almost certainly will. If you want to eat breakfast though eat breakfast, you also don't have to fast every day to get the benefits of fasting.
    It's was specifically related to coffee. Coffee blunts hunger, a lot of people can't drink it black. Allow for a bit of cream or milk in there, and those people will drink it - blunting their hunger, making the diet easier and increasing compliance.

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    Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    Can we continually bump the fact that if you follow IF, you will not see any compositional difference from the same individual NOT IF'ng but hitting the same macros.

    It is merely a regimen of which is easier for some to improve dietary adherence (of which I am one of these individuals come cutting season).

    Not a fan of overthinking.
    Bump, and 100% agree.

    I also find IF way easier. Dieting on IF for me is so easy, it feels like I'm cheating.

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    Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    Can we continually bump the fact that if you follow IF, you will not see any compositional difference from the same individual NOT IF'ng but hitting the same macros.

    It is merely a regimen of which is easier for some to improve dietary adherence (of which I am one of these individuals come cutting season).

    Not a fan of overthinking.
    Even Martin says that IF is not a magic bullet, but only helped him to keep diet adherence. I completely agree. It is much easier for me ( feeling like I was able to eat a big meal, satiety, and psychologically) to get my macros in between 2 meals and a snack then 5-8 small meals. It is not for everyone.
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    Originally Posted by J.Thomas View Post
    sometimes i get hungry during my fast, so i thought a serving of pumpkin which is less than 50 calories may help and still keep me fasted.
    Lets face it man, anytime we are cutting we are going to be hungry. At least with IF you can eat 2 big meals. When I was eating 5-8 times a day I was always hungry, even after I ate my 250 cal joke of a meal. Also try a fat burner with an appetite suppressant. I use Dopamite from MHP after my fasted AM workouts with my BCAA's and it kills the hunger til I eat at 1pm.
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    Do you guys even read the studies you post?

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    Leangains is also an approach formed by the correct use of scientific research, based on context specific human studies of acceptable validity, with the understanding that the practical application, and the outcome thereof, remains theoretical - e.g. we cannot say for certain how much of a difference intermittent fasting really does.

    In fact, I couldn't care less about intermittent fasting if it wasn't for the fact that it's the superior decision for diet compliance. For me, it happened to be the magic bullet, just like it's been proven to be for many others.

    But to cling to intermittent fasting, or to hop on the fasting bandwagon and fast for 16+ hours with the naive expectation of a magic trick - to willingly fast for fasting in itself, even if it's not really for you - is very foolish.

    Remember. That's what people did in the mid-2000's - what we all did. We subjected us to rules that proved to be incompatible with long-term success, balance in life, and peace of mind. The role I played was in opening up your eyes to the alternative - to give you more options, and improve your decision making skills on dietary aspects that are of critical importance (i.e. the choice of meal frequency).

    Back then, we ate every 2-3rd hour for the sake of eating every 2-3rd hours, we ate breakfast for the sake of eating breakfast, and we didn't eat much in the evening. But now, I see this might be happening again - in reverse.

    See, now everyone's riding the fasting bandwagon. Perhaps best exemplified by the "The 8-Hour Diet", this the result of a marketing engine fueled by false promises, bull****tery and the disingenous make believe-science that impresses the lay man, pleases the crowds, and disgusts the one who sees right through it.

    This is what corrodes this industry. This is what keeps people confused. This is what obfuscates success, and makes you forget the critical importance of personal preferences - not slavery under rules that doesn't really make sense for you.
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    Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    Can we continually bump the fact that if you follow IF, you will not see any compositional difference from the same individual NOT IF'ng but hitting the same macros.

    It is merely a regimen of which is easier for some to improve dietary adherence (of which I am one of these individuals come cutting season).

    Not a fan of overthinking.
    think i really needed this. to know that if me and another person did the exact same thing, and ate the exact same thing, we both would get the exact same results whether i be on IF and he would not be.

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    Originally Posted by vitornoob View Post
    Do you guys even read the studies you post?

    feel free to block, ain't even mad

    words from Martin: http://www.leangains.com/2013/01/con...d-clarity.html
    You keep pointing out the fact that LeanGains / IF isn't magic.

    I'm not agreeing with such a silly notion that it is magic. Nor have I seen anyone else make that claim recently.

    You made a claim that there's no science study/research regarding fasting.. when in fact there has been. I then pointed that out.. and to counter the evidence, you again point out that it's not some sort of magic. We understand that point.. it's old already.

    Me personally.. fasting seems to give me clarity. As if my senses aren't being wasted in having a full gut all day, but rather my senses are being utilized on other things. Thus my focus is up as well as my energy levels. Another benefit for me is that because I don't have food diluting my system all day, I can take a lesser dosage of supplements and still get the effects of a full dosage. For example, Jack3D (original formula) I used to have to take two scoops to feel the effects, now I only have to take 1 scoop.
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    Not entirely sure what you're getting at here, to be frank.

    Many can't fast as it negatively impacts their focus/energy/mood/etc, so you're arguing opinion for no apparent reason?

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    Can we continually bump the fact that if you follow IF, you will not see any compositional difference from the same individual NOT IF'ng but hitting the same macros.

    It is merely a regimen of which is easier for some to improve dietary adherence (of which I am one of these individuals come cutting season).

    Not a fan of overthinking.
    will bump , it's still about the macros...

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    Quick question guys, I'm skinny-fat for the most part, should I do intermittent fasting? I have been for the past couple months but not properly, never really knew what I was doing, only adjusting myself to the eating windows, never the calorie partitioning or macronutrient side. Should I do a straight +10% surplus skinny bulk (i'm 21% bf by the way), or should i do +10% bulk on training days and -10% on rest days? Thoughts?

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    Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    Not entirely sure what you're getting at here, to be frank.

    Many can't fast as it negatively impacts their focus/energy/mood/etc, so you're arguing opinion for no apparent reason?
    Talking to me?

    If so, then; yeah the first 3 weeks of fasting sucked for me.
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    To expand and paraphrase myself from a PM I just sent;

    In my opinion,
    The first and basic benefit to IFing is simply as a timing protocol that can greatly ease the hitting of macro targets.
    Any secondary physiological effects of intermittent fasting on insulin sensitivity, HGH levels, protein synthesis, etc. (i.e MAGIC) OR any perceived psychological effects (mental clarity, well being) - should be seen as bonuses.

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    A little background. I am doing a 18/6 IF, using the leangains fasted workout AM training (6am) with my window opening around 12/1pm. I am consuming a pre (White Flood/ w MP Creatine or Vein/Alarm) I also drink 10g BCAA's intra (Amino-x) and sip on 20g BCAA after workout until lunch. I also take a fat burner (MHP Dopamite). My question... Why am I never hungry anymore? I feel like I could fast all day. I feel like I am forcing myself to eat now. Whats the deal? Anyone else in this situation? I used to be a huge foodie, 300lbs and think about food 24/7. Now I could care less. Just curious.
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    A little background. I am doing a 18/6 IF, using the leangains fasted workout AM training (6am) with my window opening around 12/1pm. I am consuming a pre (White Flood/ w MP Creatine or Vein/Alarm) I also drink 10g BCAA's intra (Amino-x) and sip on 20g BCAA after workout until lunch. I also take a fat burner (MHP Dopamite). My question... Why am I never hungry anymore? I feel like I could fast all day. I feel like I am forcing myself to eat now. Whats the deal? Anyone else in this situation? I used to be a huge foodie, 300lbs and think about food 24/7. Now I could care less. Just curious.
    Same thing here, Here's an article that Martin wrote it about appetite control: http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/thr...-appetite.html
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    we are only 10 posts away from the post limit so -- I am going to close this thread.
    Someone will need to make a new IF thread and I will link it.

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    we are only 10 posts away from the post limit so -- I am going to close this thread.
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