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    No problem. I love cakes and stuff too!!! I got 10lbs to go to get rid of the last bit of jiggles around the mid section. Hey are you a ny Giants fan? I am and I think I've seen you on the Giants boards commenting on our great season. If not, my bad.
    no mate, im over the pond in england, and know nowt about american football :-)

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    Originally Posted by vic160 View Post
    On another note,

    anyone heard of drinking milk giving you more estrogen and harming your testo levels? I read an article where we produce some estrogen and that it might halt our test levels as we get older and make it harder for us to get down to that 10% BF and lower? Anyone tried Yohimbine HCL or a fat burner for that last drive to rid those last 5-10lbs?
    just ask manu! dude drinks a ton of chocolate milk and is real low in bf
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    Originally Posted by Ristretto View Post
    How do you know when you're out of balance? You mean that the kidneys don't regulate the levels?
    Originally Posted by GreatestEver View Post
    Not sure I understand what the problem with Sodium is?
    I've been following this for a few days.

    Is there really a need to mess with potassium/sodium/water weight issues unless your about to do a show? Won't water weight take care of itself if you just take a nice steady intake of water? I don't think many of us here are in that kind of shape.

    I'm not a medical expert (not a medical anything), but don't you have to be careful with potassium because it isn't water soluble? I thought since you don't excrete the excess you should be careful supplementing. I guess I'm with GreatestEver, because I don't quite understand this.
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    Originally Posted by taptomyarmbar View Post
    Switched up over the weekend to 18/6 from 16/8 - lifted 16.5 hours into the fast today and actually felt more energy than I had lifting 14-14.5 hours into the fast previously. Anyone else found the slightly longer fast more beneficial in terms of lifts/strength? Marked difference for me.

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    Originally Posted by maltanarchy View Post
    I've been following this for a few days.

    Is there really a need to mess with potassium/sodium/water weight issues unless your about to do a show? Won't water weight take care of itself if you just take a nice steady intake of water? I don't think many of us here are in that kind of shape.

    I'm not a medical expert (not a medical anything), but don't you have to be careful with potassium because it isn't water soluble? I thought since you don't excrete the excess you should be careful supplementing. I guess I'm with GreatestEver, because I don't quite understand this.

    It's not about messing around, it's about learning about how the human body works.

    Also, read this:

    Potassium is secreted twice and reabsorbed three times before the urine reaches the collecting tubules.[64] At that point, it usually has about the same potassium concentration as plasma. At the end of the processing, potassium is secreted one more time if the serum levels are too high.
    Potassium salts such as potassium chloride may be dissolved in water
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    I haven't eaten breakfast and lunch since August. If I were to suddenly stop doing IF and starting eating breakfast, lunch etc in one day, will it shock my body or it okay?

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    IF & Green Tea

    hey guys, just wanna start off by sayin I had my first day of IF and I got to say I really Like it. Upon reaching the 12-14 hour mark I actually started to feel more concentrated furthermore, I took 10g bcaa before doing a shoulder workout and the mind to muscle was amazing. Definatly going to see were this takes me.

    Im just wondering how green tea effects the fasted state. My preliminary thoughs is they would act like kind of a fat burner and I was thinking of drinking it while fasted, didn't see any answers in the search.

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    IF vs Meal Timing Myth

    Why is it that IF is becoming so popular when so many studies show that meal timing doesn't matter? I've read that GH increases in the fasted state among other things. If this is true, wouldn't that mean that meal timing DOES matter? Just a little confused on the topic. I am going to switch to IF starting tonight and see how it makes me feel over the next few weeks. some people say that it helps with energy levels throughout the day, plus im sick of taking excessive food breaks at work to eat every 3 hours...

    thoughts?? reasoning behind IF legit??

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    I drink green tea all the time fasted. It's great, even find sometimes it helps as an appetite suppressant when hungry.

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    I haven't eaten breakfast and lunch since August. If I were to suddenly stop doing IF and starting eating breakfast, lunch etc in one day, will it shock my body or it okay?
    Umm, you will be just fine. Your body won't get "shocked".
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    read some of the articles on the leangain's site. there's plenty of benefits documented by various studies.

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    Hey guys. Im trying to reach 80kg by summer 2013. Currently Im 73 kg, have 1 kg of fat that has to go but most important for me is to add 8-9 kg of muscle mass. Is this possible over 17 months?
    My routine is roughly training weights 3 times a week and cardio 2 times(swimming and biking, need to have good cardio for my job). Been using the 5x5 program lately, think it works good.
    When comes to eating I cant count calories. I work in a restaurant 6 days a week, and most of my eating is done there. We have a lot of great food, I get to eat spare fish and meat, lean and delicious, from 100 to 400 g a night. We also have good staff food, which is my main meal where I can eat a lot! I also eat some tuna late night after coming home if I need some xtra proteins.
    Been eating high-carb on WO-days and high-fat on non-WO-days. Any tips on how to gain all the muscles I want to? Dont want to get to fat either( eating 4-5 000 cal a day is not a problem for me, so I have to say stop)...

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    Originally Posted by Ristretto View Post
    Well, there is estrogen in milk and various milk products.

    However, in that article they conclude that "the amount in any of the products would be insufficient to elicit a biological response, so I never bothered to read the whole thing.
    Yeah well, this review is from 1979 - not quite up to date. Anyway: more interesting is the fact, that the human body is confronted with a higher excess of estrogen as a whole. A little estrogen might not seem to dangerous, but that isn't the only "source" after all.

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    Originally Posted by FurorGermanicus View Post
    Yeah well, this review is from 1979 - not quite up to date. .
    Show me a newer one, then.
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    im gonna try and get my act together and get a bit more disciplined now, after a period of enjoying eating whatever and whenever i wanted. i enjoyed it most when i trained fasted, with bcaa 10 mins before w/o. i can still do that at home, but at work now we've been told we cant workout before 4pm. i can keep my 8hr window from 12 noon til 8 say, but in your opinion(s), is it worth bothering with the fasted/ bcaa route if i cant do it all the time? or would you say even if i just do that half the time its still better than none?

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    Originally Posted by johntich View Post
    guys do you count the calories in bcaas you take? for example Im currently cutting on 2000 cals and taking 30g of bcaas from xtend, do you add the 120 cals from the bcaas to your caloric intake for the day? Im really confused
    I take an "every calorie counts" strategy, so yes. It can account for relatively a lot if you're cutting pretty low. But that's just my 2 cents!

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    ive been on I.F. for the past 24 months but lately i am finding that im feeling hungrier during my fast ,would could cause this ?
    my eating window is usually 3 pm - 9 pm , with most of my calories after 7 pm ,
    i eat mainly red meat and alot of peanut butter as im addict to it apart that this should be very filling
    also during the fast to keep my hunger at bay i take about 4 black coffee and 3 ltrs of water
    can i do something else to help during the fasted period
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    Originally Posted by davo26 View Post
    im gonna try and get my act together and get a bit more disciplined now, after a period of enjoying eating whatever and whenever i wanted. i enjoyed it most when i trained fasted, with bcaa 10 mins before w/o. i can still do that at home, but at work now we've been told we cant workout before 4pm. i can keep my 8hr window from 12 noon til 8 say, but in your opinion(s), is it worth bothering with the fasted/ bcaa route if i cant do it all the time? or would you say even if i just do that half the time its still better than none?

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    I have not noticed a difference with bcaa or without them. To each their own.

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    Originally Posted by apace View Post
    ive been on I.F. for the past 24 months but lately i am finding that im feeling hungrier during my fast ,would could cause this ?
    my eating window is usually 3 pm - 9 pm , with most of my calories after 7 pm ,
    i eat mainly red meat and alot of peanut butter as im addict to it apart that this should be very filling
    also during the fast to keep my hunger at bay i take about 4 black coffee and 3 ltrs of water
    can i do something else to help during the fasted period
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    Originally Posted by vic160 View Post
    I have not noticed a difference with bcaa or without them. To each their own.
    thanks. ive read through LG and know martin advocates them, and that theyre to combat catabolism, but i dont understand what harm can honestly be done in the 1 hr workout period, so long as food is consumed right afterwards. i worked out today fasted, no bcaa's and felt fine, few tummy rumbles, but i just prefer training this way.
    hope im right anyway, as theyre expensive :-)

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    Yes i eat load of veg, cabbage , broccoli, spinach ,green beans, cauliflower , i love them but even if these are full of fibre they don't fill me up , i can eat up to a kg of veg a day
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    Originally Posted by apace View Post
    Yes i eat load of veg, cabbage , broccoli, spinach ,green beans, cauliflower , i love them but even if these are full of fibre they don't fill me up , i can eat up to a kg of veg a day
    are you cutting
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    No im not cutting i weigh 172 lb and am eating in the 2500 - 3000 calorie range at the moment even if i want i can't cut as am too hungry , could it be the cold ??
    what can i take apart from black coffee during the fasted period ?
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    No im not cutting i weigh 172 lb and am eating in the 2500 - 3000 calorie range at the moment even if i want i can't cut as am too hungry , could it be the cold ??
    what can i take apart from black coffee during the fasted period ?
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    So, I'm about to start leangains. I pieced together macros from the information I could find and I'm wondering what you guys think about them. (any advice for training program?) I decided to do a recompisition. (if you disagree with this decision, let me know)

    A little bit about me: I'm 5'7", 130, +-12% bodyfat, 15 years old, lifting for about a year but never really worked at it or had some sort of real routine. Hopefully I'll be able to actually get into good shape instead of wasting my time with a good program and leangains.

    1820 (rest day)

    180 g protein (690)
    100 g fat (900)
    55 g carbs (230)

    2730 (training day)

    180 g protein (690)
    50 g fat (450)
    390 carbs (1560)

    So, are these decent enough macros?
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    Originally Posted by c3rndahse View Post
    So, I'm about to start leangains. I pieced together macros from the information I could find and I'm wondering what you guys think about them. (any advice for training program?) I decided to do a recompisition. (if you disagree with this decision, let me know)

    A little bit about me: I'm 5'7", 130, +-12% bodyfat, 15 years old, lifting for about a year but never really worked at it or had some sort of real routine. Hopefully I'll be able to actually get into good shape instead of wasting my time with a good program and leangains.

    1820 (rest day)

    180 g protein (690)
    100 g fat (900)
    55 g carbs (230)

    2730 (training day)

    180 g protein (690)
    50 g fat (450)
    390 carbs (1560)

    So, are these decent enough macros?
    With your youth and your already low bodyfat percentage, why not eat above maintenance every day and get huge? You'll appreciate it when you are a couple years down the road.

    If you haven't been doing barbell exercises in your first year of training, look up the Starting Strength program. It's awesome. Seems like a small amount of work, but you get huge gains out of it.

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    Originally Posted by Phil147 View Post
    With your youth and your already low bodyfat percentage, why not eat above maintenance every day and get huge? You'll appreciate it when you are a couple years down the road.

    If you haven't been doing barbell exercises in your first year of training, look up the Starting Strength program. It's awesome. Seems like a small amount of work, but you get huge gains out of it.
    So you're suggesting I edit my macros into more of a bulking type diet on leangains? or not do leangains altogether?
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    I need a little guidance on this since I'm new to the approach of IF. I am trying to get sub 10% body fat, currently sitting at 10-11% at 190-193lb

    I use reverse pyramid training principles to an extent. Anyway, my maintenance is 2600 calories, so my plan is

    non workout days 2100 with 260/130/60 P/C/F macros
    workout days 2600 with 260/290/45 P/C/F macros

    On workout days, only 10g of BCAA pre workout and then 10 minutes of LISS cardio post workout followed by my first meal of the day
    On non workout days, I'll do 10-15 minutes of LISS cardio while fasted on stims to help fat loss and increase catecholamines, then after I break the fast at some point do my cardio speed/agility and calisthenics (sport specific, I play football and basketball)

    I eat from 1-3pm to 9-11pm.

    Ultimately I'd long term like to be at 215-225 sub 10% and extremely strong, but for now I feel before my next clean bulk I need to get very lean since I have never actually been under 10% my entire life.

    Does this look like a sensible approach?

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    Originally Posted by c3rndahse View Post
    So you're suggesting I edit my macros into more of a bulking type diet on leangains? or not do leangains altogether?
    It's your choice in the end, but if I were in your situation I'd just edit your macros and go for more of a bulk. You're still growing, and have a lot of potential to start putting on muscle. Leangains is just a method of ingesting your daily calories, its preference as to how you choose to set up your nutrition.

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    Originally Posted by Phil147 View Post
    It's your choice in the end, but if I were in your situation I'd just edit your macros and go for more of a bulk. You're still growing, and have a lot of potential to start putting on muscle. Leangains is just a method of ingesting your daily calories, its preference as to how you choose to set up your nutrition.
    I was reading up on Starting Strength and it seems like Rippetoe has his own ideas about nutrition, which aren't very in line with leangains. His goal seems to be to add strength, without any care on any fat accumulation. He advises to eat quite a lot more calories than a leangains bulking diet as well as more meals a day. Do you think I could still do SS while eating like this? I could always just eat Rippetoe's style, though the fat gain is obviously unappealing.

    By the way, what do you think would be some good macros I could use for a leangains bulk?

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