I know I usually have around 4 or so
but still I get hungry fast but fill up quick too... and it actually is more annoying to eat many meals in 8 hours than through out the whole day
I'm going to do it about a month and see if I get better results if not oh well, it's better to go for something I'm comfortable with
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03-14-2011, 06:48 AM #1441
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03-14-2011, 06:55 AM #1442
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Icepray, find a diet that suits your lifestyle. Don't change your lifestyle to suit a diet.
Real talk.
If you prefer eating several small meals a day, and it helps with diet adherence, then by all means eat those several small meals. Most people ITT do not achieve satiety with small meals nor are they sitting around twiddling their thumbs thinking about foods during the fast and so the fast goes by unnoticed for the most part. IF is just a tool, don't use a hammer when a screwdriver is appropriate.
1) Who said anything about eating until your stomach ruptures? Or eating to the point of discomfort for that matter?
2) My energy levels are dramatically improved. I recently started training fasted as well and my strength did take a slight jump (moreso that I think can be attributed to linear gains). Honestly though at times when I'm reeeally bored it's easy to start thinking about food but realize mental-induced hunger != actual hunger. Drink some water and do something instead of sitting around instead of lazing about.
3) I like being able to be full. Followed by being not hungry. Followed by being full. Rinse repeat. (Notice the lack of hungry periods).
4) Too many "theoretical" benefits to count, but really the benefit is diet adherence and increased productivity. It's a lifestyle choice not really a "diet".
Disclaimer: My fast is typically 18-20hours, usually 20.Last edited by coals; 03-14-2011 at 07:15 AM.
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03-14-2011, 06:57 AM #1443
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Its only a method/approach. If you enjoy a full day of meals, stick with what you know.
Just for sake of conversation, what I like about IFing is being able to have larger meals while Im cutting weight. I was never much one to get hungry early in the day (even though Im a breakfast foods freak) so it was convenient for me to learn that not only would my training/nutrition NOT be impaired by not eating later in the day, but that I would also have a larger pool of calories to have access to for meals. I have found that on most days, having 2 or 3 large meals late in the day (sometimes even just one monster meal) is much more satisfying than multiple 2-300 calorie meals spread throughout the day.
If I keep busy during the day, I really dont get hungry when IFing. Before when I would start eating small meals from morning till dinner it didnt matter how busy I was, I ALWAYS felt hungry and was always thinking about when my next meal was. Im not sure what I will think of IFing when I go back to trying to put on weight, but for cutting its been perfect...for ME.Team Never Full
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03-14-2011, 07:05 AM #1444
I get that, with IF i never am really brooding about food during the fast, but once my eating window opens, I eat my meals and near the end I realise... damn that wasn't enough calories so then I think I should eat now, etc... It isn't really working and when I'm up during the night clubbing or something I'm in the fasting period so I can't eat a Panini at 3am :P
It's true with 5-6meals a day I ended up spending quite a bit of time thinking "mmmh what should I eat in next" but it was fun for me in a way, just annoying when I can't eat but I worked around it catching up my calories with the next meal or adding a meal in the night
The reason I tried IF'ing wasn't "Oh that's going to be perfect for me" but more "seems interesting, lots of positive feedback on it, why not" Sure not cooking as much has made my life easier, especially for fasted morning runs or not cleaning up my kitchen as much.
I'm sort of disapointed it didn't work out with me, but it was just a means to an end, one of many... Not everything can work for me
(Oh and another thing that made me want to do IF, is that during my 1 month bulk, I gained 1cm around my arms, 2cm around my chest, 2cm around my legs but 2 around my stomach... so I heard IF'ing would keep me from gaining around my waist)
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03-14-2011, 07:15 AM #1445
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I change my meal frequency according to my needs. On training days, where I take in just under 3k cals now, I agree it would be difficult to hit the necessary calories and macros in just one meal (for me). So instead I have 4. On rest days where I need fewer calories and to save myself the hassle of worrying about food I just have 2 large meals and perhaps a dessert after the second one. It's that easy.
Somewhat related to this topic, does anyone find that IF'ing has given them full control of their appetite even after the fast is broken? I'm talking about basically switching off the hunger impulse until it's next convenient to eat. Whether I decide to eat 2, 3 or 4 meals in a day seems to have no effect on how hungry I am throughout the day, which is strange considering Martin talks about hormonal entrainment of mealtimes. It seems that, for me at least, my hormones have been entrained to whatever meal pattern I decide is convenient for that day.
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03-14-2011, 07:29 AM #1446
easiest way to get calories is calorie dense foods... i.e:nuts, peanut butter, oils...
dont have to eat a high volume of food.. just have to be high in cals.instagram.com/dthomj
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03-14-2011, 07:33 AM #1447
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I find it frustrating when people complain they can't eat enough, I wish it was the same for me.
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03-14-2011, 07:35 AM #1448
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03-14-2011, 08:04 AM #1449
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03-14-2011, 08:15 AM #1450
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03-14-2011, 08:22 AM #1451
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03-14-2011, 08:27 AM #1452
First time I tried IF, I didn't like it. I jumped in too fast and couldn't get used to lifting fasted.
I tried it again, but eased into it. I just replaced breakfast with a cup of coffee, and added another 500 or so calories to dinner. I don't lift fasted (though if you go w/a lower volume program, lifting fasted is a breeze). It's been going pretty well... very easy to manage (~2 cooked meals/day), just more convenient. Should make cutting a lot easier too.
I used to eat like a rabbit too... I remember eating 3-4x during an 8hr work shift, w/a split lunch. It was a waste. Now I have one big lunch, and either a shake or a late afternoon snack, and either a slab of meat or a feast depending on if it's an on or off day. So much easier, and easier to manage a high protein diet. It's def not some overnight revelatory experience, but it's a time saver for sure. That's the best part of it for meIntensity, Recovery, Nutrition, Sleep- the only things that matter.
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03-14-2011, 09:50 AM #1453
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03-14-2011, 10:00 AM #1454
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03-14-2011, 12:25 PM #1455
I have no trouble lifting fasted, hasn't changed much I just have a small whey shake with water before heading out.
my biggest trouble is just my 8hour eating window... I can't seem to get even 3000calories done in it, and so I have to eat till I feel like **** :S
I just like eating less but many times, not 2 huge meals in 1 day... I feel like i'm missing out =(
(I know I can have as many meals as I want but in 8 hours I can usually just have 2 snacks 2 meals in that given time... like today I hate pasta, tuna fish, spinach then a whey shake with a banana and oats in it -> porc fajitas and going to finish with a fruit bowl and cottage cheese sounds fine but I'm bulking and I have no trouble getting 3000+calories when I get to eat 6times a day)
I like IF I feel good, except when I hit my calories for my bulk I'm bloated and ate too much in the 8hour window
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03-14-2011, 12:31 PM #1456
Feedback On Progress Please?
Hi All,
I was hoping I could get some feedback on my progress with IF so far.
I’ve been on IF for about a month and a half or so after completing a cut for several months. Over the course of my cut I lost 20lbs and dropped my body fat from 16% to 9%. Since then I’ve upped my cals significantly to put some size back on. I currently eat 20% below a 2800 cal maintenance diet (2200 cals) on off-days and 20% above maintenance on training days (about 3300 cals).
I feel I’m making good gains but after getting my body fat measured again today I was surprised to see that I had gained more fat than I thought I would. As of Jan 31st I was at 9.13%, lean weight was 148lbs, fat weight was 14.8lbs, total weight was 163. Today I’m at 9.98% bodyfat, lean weight is 152lbs, fat weight is 16.8 and total bodyweight is 169lbs.
I expect to gain a little fat with some muscle but I guess I just figured it would be a lot less with carb/cal cycling and IF. Perhaps my calorie & macro counting is off a bit? My work schedule has been hectic so I haven’t been able to get as much cardio in as I normally do. I’m also taking creatine so perhaps some of this is due to water retention?
Any insights one might have would be helpful, thanks!
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03-14-2011, 12:44 PM #1457
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03-14-2011, 12:51 PM #1458
Thanks for the feedback. I guess I wasn't sure what to expect in terms of fat gain relative to muscle gain... meaning if gaining 2lbs of fat was a lot relative to gaining 4lbs of lean mass. I eat very clean & don't have the urges to cheat a whole lot esp with eating such large meals on IF.
I guess the whole premise around IF is 'lean gains' I just wasnt sure how one would really define 'lean' gains. Like, you can expect to gain X amount of fat per X lbs of lean muscle.
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03-14-2011, 02:13 PM #1459
4 lbs of lean muscle is..awesome in that short period of time.
if the fat gain worries you, u can always take the caloric surplus down a notch on ur training days
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03-14-2011, 02:26 PM #1460
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03-14-2011, 02:40 PM #1461
OH SNAP.
Brb starting doing weighted chins.
any ideas how to incorporate them in my back-bi workout?
pullups
bent over
lat pulldown
cable row
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bi exercises.
should i add it in the beginning or at the end when i do biceps?~SCC Crew~
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03-14-2011, 03:23 PM #1462
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03-14-2011, 06:20 PM #1463
No offense man but you whinge alot. Seems like IF is not for you yet you act like you HAVE TO follow it because it is going to magically stop you from 'gaining around the waist". The only thing that will stop you from gaining around the waist is a Very slow bulk, a caloric deficit from your diet, or a cardio induced deficit. If you cant get in 3000cals in 8 hours then dont do it. 3000cals in 8 hours is easy as,
500g chicken, roasted. 820cals 155g protein 18g fat
1 cup dry oats 340 cals. 58g carb 11.8 pro 6.9 fat
1 cup dry couscous 650 cals 22g pro 1.1g fat 134g carb
2 tbsp natty PB 200 cals 6g carb 16g fat 5g pro
2 tbsp olive oil 240 cals 14g fat
Protein sludge
2 scoops ON casein 240 cals 48g pro 6g carb 2g fat
1/2 cup skim milk 4.3g pro 6.7g carb
2 large eggs
25g almond meal
1 apple 1 pear
Total 3031 cals
266 carbs
272 protein
95g fat
That is NOT hard to eat in 8 hours. Srsly. Freeze that protein sludge and it is a tasty ass dessert, can add crushed or whole nuts to it, berries, whatever. Thats not even including salad or vegetables either, which you should be eating lots of.Bumblebeetuna
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03-14-2011, 07:11 PM #1464
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03-14-2011, 07:33 PM #1465
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03-14-2011, 07:37 PM #1466
Last edited by kels_88; 03-14-2011 at 08:19 PM.
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03-14-2011, 07:37 PM #1467
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03-14-2011, 08:12 PM #1468
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Great stuff, thanks for sharing man, repped. So basically I gathered:
* Only lift 2/3 times per week
* keep the sessions short and hard
* focus on high weight / lower rep ranges for strength gains with longer rest periods (3-5mins)
* using 4 primary moves (deadlifts, squats, bench press, weight chinups). Kinda interesting how he advocates chin ups and not pull upsRepping BTK'ers and Aussies on sight.....
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03-14-2011, 08:14 PM #1469
Once you've been a client of Martin it's great to know all this
Heavy, hard, get out!
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03-14-2011, 08:17 PM #1470
Yep! Thats what I gathered. Except you split up the moves for each day (deads and chins on same day)
Mix some other moves in there. Seems like he goes on the KISS method!
Jealous, a little bit. I'm doing my best to piece together what clients of his have said...don't want to ask people to give away the secrets, but if I can find them, I will
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