Why are young kids so strongly against the US military?

[Little_Tarzan]

This is like Vietnam all over again. So there were some harmless Army/Marine recruiters at school today and a lot of people were like
"OMGz you kill people!!"
"iraq war is pointless"

OR some were silent when the guys were trying to have conversation.

With me, I just talked like it was just a regular guy. He did the usual, "sign these papers" and i took them so i wouldn't appear rude.

Kids these days think it's cool to be anti-authority.



Example of said school protest:

[Lager1]

This is like Vietnam all over again. So there were some harmless Army/Marine recruiters at school today and a lot of people were like
"OMGz you kill people!!"
"iraq war is pointless"

OR some were silent when the guys were trying to have conversation.

With me, I just talked like it was just a regular guy. He did the usual, "sign these papers" and i took them so i wouldn't appear rude.

Kids these days think it's cool to be anti-authority.



Example of said school protest:

It makes me incredibly happy to see this. It gives me hope.

[HELIX35]

It makes me incredibly happy to see this. It gives me hope.

Why?

A bunch of know it all college kids that watch a few hours of CNN every week "shouting blood for oil" and "you massacre babies" rhetoric without a single original or intelligent thought for themselves.

Cursing the men and women of the armed forces? All I see is pathetic ignorance.

[Leper Messiah]

Because green Day tells them to.

[Lager1]

Why?

A bunch of know it all college kids that watch a few hours of CNN every week "shouting blood for oil" and "you massacre babies" rhetoric without a single original or intelligent thought for themselves.

Cursing the men and women of the armed forces? All I see is pathetic ignorance.

Of course you do, I would expect nothing less from you.

I'm happy because this means that my generation isn't a warmongering idiot generation. Maybe they will remember this war, and how miserably it failed, and in the future when other terrible moronic presidents try to start ****ed up wars with countries, they will see it for what it is right away, before hundreds of thousands of innocent people are killed.

I hope these pathetically ignorant kids learn about Ron Paul and help him get elected.

BTW when you generalize like that, it makes an ass out of you. Just because they are "college kids" doesn't mean they gain their information from CNN, they probably gain more from the internet. Just because they are all shouting the same thing doesn't mean they are ignorant. Intelligent thought doesn't always have to be original.

The Vietnam protests were intelligent. I'm sure there were tons of fools just like you angry that the young people weren't sucking the government' dick and signing up to die for the profit of a few rich men at the top.

[kajara3]

Why?

A bunch of know it all college kids that watch a few hours of CNN every week "shouting blood for oil" and "you massacre babies" rhetoric without a single original or intelligent thought for themselves.

Cursing the men and women of the armed forces? All I see is pathetic ignorance.

"college kids" are so stupid compared to people in the military...

[Blau]

What's wrong with protest?

I have admiration for those in the Armed Services, but I also have admiration for protestors. I don't oppose the soldiers, I oppose the government that sent them, the government that is waging a worthless war, a government that is paying millions of dollars a week to kill America's youth. I wouldn't protest the soldiers, I would protest the administraion. I don't agree with protesting the soldiers, but this is America, they can do it if they want to.

Recruiters are just doing their job, but it's a job I wouldn't do.

[Calhexas]

This is like Vietnam all over again. So there were some harmless Army/Marine recruiters at school today and a lot of people were like
"OMGz you kill people!!"
"iraq war is pointless"

OR some were silent when the guys were trying to have conversation.

With me, I just talked like it was just a regular guy. He did the usual, "sign these papers" and i took them so i wouldn't appear rude.

Kids these days think it's cool to be anti-authority.



Example of said school protest:

I remember when we first went to war with Iraq...some of my friends thought it would be cool to walk out of class and have a protest on the corner of the entrance to the school.

All it seems like to me is a bad case of "rebellion envy." In other words, people in the Vietnam era got to have their little hippie rebellions and whatnot, and all of the "fight the power" kids in today's generation are just looking for every little reason to impress the hippies of the past. It's one thing to oppose war, it's another thing to act like every soldier in existence is a disgrace or to disrespect those that live to protect this country just because you think it's cool.

I wonder what these people protesting would think if our military just sat back and let the middle east bomb America. I'm sure they'd all be crying for the help of the same people they take so much joy in condemning.

[Lager1]

"college kids" are so stupid compared to people in the military...

Damn, you're right, I guess I should quit college and join the army. Hopefully I'll be killed by an IED in a couple days.

What's wrong with protest?

I have admiration for those in the Armed Services, but I also have admiration for protestors. I don't oppose the soldiers, I oppose the government that sent them, the government that is waging a worthless war, a government that is paying millions of dollars a week to kill America's youth.

Recruiters are just doing their job, but it's a job I wouldn't do.

Very rational view, I think I agree with most of it.

I remember when we first went to war with Iraq...some of my friends thought it would be cool to walk out of class and have a protest on the corner of the entrance to the school.

All it seems like to me is a bad case of "rebellion envy." In other words, people in the Vietnam era got to have their little hippie rebellions and whatnot, and all of the "fight the power" kids in today's generation are just looking for every little reason to impress the hippies of the past. It's one thing to oppose war, it's another thing to act like every soldier in existence is a disgrace or to disrespect those that live to protect this country just because you think it's cool.

I wonder what these people protesting would think if our military just sat back and let the middle east bomb America. I'm sure they'd all be crying for the help of the same people they take so much joy in condemning.

Oh, you're right, these kids can't be protesting the war because it's another illegal costly war that's quickly bankrupting us and making the US seem even worse in the eyes of the rest of the world. No, it can't be because thousands of our soldiers are dying for the sake of oil and land. It can't be because the whole reason we went to war (WMD's, Iraq being involved in 9/11) were ridiculous lies.

No, it's because they are JEALOUS of the vietnam generation.

And once we pull out of the Middle East, the "Middle East" is somehow going to "bomb" us. After all, they have advanced fighter jets and ICBM's.


Listen, buddy, if the "middle east" wanted to bomb us, they would have already. Our borders are a joke, there could be a thousand al quaeda members in NY right now and we would have no ****ing clue.


I feel bad for you, you actually believe the **** spewed on FOX news.

[Blau]

No, it's because they are JEALOUS of the vietnam generation.

I'll admit it. I am very jealous of the hippies. If I could live in the mid 1960's-1970's, I'd slip on some bell bottoms, grow my hair our, drop out on some acid and travel around the country on a school bus with other hippies.

I wish that America's youth would be like that again. Such fervor for their beliefs, such exploration, such organization. In my eyes, what happened with the hippies is one of the greatest triumphs of modern time, although, it obviously wasn't a triumph in the main aspect. It was a triumph in the sense that people all across the nation came together, explored their minds, tried new forms of living, and stood up for their beliefs. I have trouble believing that such would be possible in today's world.

You have to admire it when 70,000 people show up to try and levitate the Pentagon.

[Calhexas]

Oh, you're right, these kids can't be protesting the war because it's another illegal costly war that's quickly bankrupting us and making the US seem even worse in the eyes of the rest of the world. No, it can't be because thousands of our soldiers are dying for the sake of oil and land. It can't be because the whole reason we went to war (WMD's, Iraq being involved in 9/11) were ridiculous lies.

No, it's because they are JEALOUS of the vietnam generation.

I'm not saying that protest is wrong...but what some people do during protests and why some people protest are. I'm not saying EVERY kid out there is jealous of the Vietnam generation. I'm just saying it seems like some anti-authority type demonstrations are motivated by a simple wanting to seem rebellious. I'm not down with this war either, but I'm not going to act like I despise all military personel. That's just ridiculous to point to someone who is trying to help out our nation's military and act like that person is responsible for the death of middle easter civillians. Come on now...even you have to understand that there is no sense in that kind of behavior.

And once we pull out of the Middle East, the "Middle East" is somehow going to "bomb" us. After all, they have advanced fighter jets and ICBM's.

I didn't say that. I'm saying that alot of the people that do these protests would probably not be so "anti-military" in the case that the tables were turned. I'm not making a prediction that pulling out would spell our doom. I want us to get out of there...it makes no sense to be in a losing battle that is costing us so much.

Listen, buddy, if the "middle east" wanted to bomb us, they would have already. Our borders are a joke, there could be a thousand al quaeda members in NY right now and we would have no ****ing clue.

Once again, you took my hypothetical as a future prediction. What some of the people in that video said was rather disrespectful, and just disgusting. It's not right to place blame on many, when the fault lies within a few.

I feel bad for you, you actually believe the **** spewed on FOX news.

Do me a favor...don't feel bad for me. Instead try and understand what I'm trying to say before you go ranting off like a pissy little child...or better yet, an over-eager rebellious teen. Not all protests are right, and not all "anti-authority" groups are good. Get that fact into your skull.



Btw...I appreciate the fact that you had such a little understanding of my post that had the compelling feeling to neg me. You sure showed me.

[GrassAndRocks]

Of course you do, I would expect nothing less from you.

I'm happy because this means that my generation isn't a warmongering idiot generation. Maybe they will remember this war, and how miserably it failed, and in the future when other terrible moronic presidents try to start ****ed up wars with countries, they will see it for what it is right away, before hundreds of thousands of innocent people are killed.

I hope these pathetically ignorant kids learn about Ron Paul and help him get elected.

BTW when you generalize like that, it makes an ass out of you. Just because they are "college kids" doesn't mean they gain their information from CNN, they probably gain more from the internet. Just because they are all shouting the same thing doesn't mean they are ignorant. Intelligent thought doesn't always have to be original.

The Vietnam protests were intelligent. I'm sure there were tons of fools just like you angry that the young people weren't sucking the government' dick and signing up to die for the profit of a few rich men at the top.

Oh man, it was so good to see a post like that.

The "vote for Ron Paul" is not well taken, however. You seem to have a solid grasp and understanding of what war is, but look at little more closely and figure out what the root cause of it is. Capitalism.

Think about it. Do some research. You have the right mentality, just the wrong direction.

Repped, btw.

[nnjj112255kkllo9]

Why?

A bunch of know it all college kids that watch a few hours of CNN every week "shouting blood for oil" and "you massacre babies" rhetoric without a single original or intelligent thought for themselves.

Cursing the men and women of the armed forces? All I see is pathetic ignorance.

Why do a bunch of uneducated folk get a hard on for war yet only 0.001% of them who support war, man up and fight

I think its funny how idiots assume that if you are against a war, you are against US military

[jmonty]

lolz

guess who guarantees there freedom to protest? kind of ironic.

the funny part of that protest was when they started chanting 'hell no, we won't go' like they were being drafted or something. classic example of herdpoisoning. http://herdpoisoning.com/

[jmonty]

Why do a bunch of uneducated folk get a hard on for war yet only 0.001% of them who support war, man up and fight

I think its funny how idiots assume that if you are against a war, you are against US military

if you are going to be against something, it should be for logical reasons. it is just as pathetic to believe all anti-war propaganda as it is to believe all pro-war propaganda.

[KeepItSmoothBro]

So a random handful = all?

It is maybe 0.1% of the teen population at the very best.

[nnjj112255kkllo9]

if you are going to be against something, it should be for logical reasons. it is just as pathetic to believe all anti-war propaganda as it is to believe all pro-war propaganda.

The problem is when you have many people who feel that if someone doesnt believe in the war, it is because they are just listening to propoganda

[jmonty]

Oh, you're right, these kids can't be protesting the war because it's another illegal costly war that's quickly bankrupting us and making the US seem even worse in the eyes of the rest of the world.

what US law has been broken? i'm so sick of reading that invading iraq was illegal. if you were to say 'immoral' that would be a defensible position perhaps, but i've never seen or heard of a law against the invasion.

[stevey123]

maybe because unlike older generations we aren't prepared to throw our lives away for bogus causes like iraq when it's clear the govt. told so many lies.

Although most people dying in iraq seem to be < 21.

the military takes advantage of kids that come from poor homes and can't afford an education except through the military, too bad they end up dead.

[jmonty]

The problem is when you have many people who feel that if someone doesnt believe in the war, it is because they are just listening to propoganda

the people in that video were acting border line retarded.

[GrassAndRocks]

what US law has been broken? i'm so sick of reading that invading iraq was illegal. if you were to say 'immoral' that would be a defensible position perhaps, but i've never seen or heard of a law against the invasion.

We violated international law. Of course U.S. law would mandate American imperialism, it always has.

[Lager1]

what US law has been broken? i'm so sick of reading that invading iraq was illegal. if you were to say 'immoral' that would be a defensible position perhaps, but i've never seen or heard of a law against the invasion.

This explains how it is illegal (serious). You wanted to know, here it is.

Under US law:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.html

Under International law:
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle6917.htm

[Blau]

maybe because unlike older generations we aren't prepared to throw our lives away for bogus causes like iraq when it's clear the govt. told so many lies.

Although most people dying in iraq seem to be < 21.

the military takes advantage of kids that come from poor homes and can't afford an education except through the military, too bad they end up dead.

I agree.

Every single young person in America should be very concerned with the war. It should be of upmost importance. Their peers are dying, for nothing. As someone who will turn 18 soon, it's very frightening. What if they decided to reinstate the draft? We'll be registered for selective service. I'm not about to fight in this war. We have to end it.

[GrassAndRocks]

It is interesting though because you can see the level of consciousness, both here and around the world, and the difference between these protests and the Vietnam protests.

When Kennedy began the bombing of south Vietnam in 1962 there was virtually no protests, no street marches, nothing. I remember listening to Noam Chomsky talk about how if you wanted to organize an anti-war meeting it was usually 4 or 5 people in somebody's living room. There was no mass anti-war networks or anything. It took many years for a strong anti-war movement to even begin, and it started very late, but was eventually effective.

But you can see the difference now, 40 years later, people domestically and around the world stood up and protested even BEFORE the war began in mass demonstrations. I think that is something to be proud of and see the change in consciousness. I am extremely glad to see so many people, despite still not being as much as I'd like, angry about what is going on in the middle east.

[SDC77]

maybe because unlike older generations we aren't prepared to throw our lives away for bogus causes like iraq when it's clear the govt. told so many lies.

This is obvious. The days of rallying behind a cause like past wars are long gone. There won't be too many people lining up at the recruiting office these days because they want to go fight in Iraq. They may indeed have a sense of duty, need money for school, be dumb as **** and just want to go into a remedial MOS and collect a check, etc. but I would be shocked to hear a kid say he's willing to die for Iraqis. Well, in the South it's to be expected, but the South is the South.

*I live in the South, so i can attest to the level of mindless rednecks which run rampant*

Although most people dying in iraq seem to be < 21.

This seems true, but rank and age are of no protection in this war. There have been tons of officers killed all the way up to Colonels, and several E-9s have been blown up.

the military takes advantage of kids that come from poor homes and can't afford an education except through the military, too bad they end up dead.

Takes advantage? That's a bit of a stretch. They rely on the poor and uneducated, but so do employers looking to fill the ranks of minimum wage jobs. Besides, someone uneducated isn't going to do anything meaningful in the military. If you can't read or function on a professional level, you'll never receive a 11B MOS, so the "they can catch a bullet" line doesn't work. I'm not saying there aren't idiots in the infantry, but there are very few truly retarded people as 11B.

[Calhexas]

what US law has been broken? i'm so sick of reading that invading iraq was illegal. if you were to say 'immoral' that would be a defensible position perhaps, but i've never seen or heard of a law against the invasion.

I think it's because we went to war before (not sure if we even did) there was an official declaration of War by congress...which is supposedly something needed as per the constitution. Something that violates the constitution is basically illegal.

[GrassAndRocks]

This explains how it is illegal (serious). You wanted to know, here it is.

Under US law:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.html

Under International law:
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle6917.htm

props on that link about U.S. law btw.

[jmonty]

This explains how it is illegal (serious). You wanted to know, here it is.

Under US law:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.html

Under International law:
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle6917.htm

so, about the domestic law, is there anything that shows that bush did not make available before, or 48 hrs after, that he determined any of that which was in bold?

it seems like he just had to have been advised and had to 'determine' those things.

[jmonty]

props on that link about U.S. law btw.

x2. ty.

maybe wssicks can help translate it.

[hobbes1651]

I remember listening to Noam Chomsky talk about how if you wanted to organize an anti-war meeting it was usually 4 or 5 people in somebody's living room.

Funny thing about Chomsky is he made most of his money working on linguistics for the US military.