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    Safe prohormones

    I've been wondering about prohormones and if I should cycle one and what I should cycle. I went to the supp store and the guy recommended tri-methyl xtreme 3.15. I did some research and there's no way I'm doing that to my liver. My question is what does it mean if a compound is "methylated" and also what are some safer and less toxic prohormones and/or alternatives. I'm 20 years old 5'6 150 lbs. and have been lifting since I was an incoming freshman back in highschool. Suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated.
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    Its your body do what you want, my opinion is dont go the ph route but no one can tell you what to do, im just curious, why do you want to go that route? oh and you just opened season for these guys so take it with a grain of salt
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    A friend suggested it and I feel I've hit a plateau. I'm hesitant about cause I've heard the damage they can do. I figured a second opinion from other viewpoints would help.
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    yea, unfortunelty im not the one to ask or provide any knowledge on that stuff but i can safely say.... read up on it and weigh it all out and make sure that just hitting a plateu is worth it, lots of stuff to learn , just dont want to see you like so many that come on here with threads asking why there nuts hurt and can i reverse my gyno, goodluck
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    a plateau is not a very good reason to try ph's.
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    Duely noted thanks man. And do you know what methylated is? I'm pretty sure it's something harmful but idk.
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    Originally Posted by Minimaniac View Post
    Duely noted thanks man. And do you know what methylated is? I'm pretty sure it's something harmful but idk.
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    Originally Posted by SM1004 View Post
    H-drol is mild and one of the more safer ones very good for cutting stay away from m-drol the muscle quality you obtain is poor and watery
    seriousy? not really

    h-drol is not meant for cutting but its dry so can be used for it. i recommend bulking with ph/ds not cutting as thats the best use. i wouldnt really consider it safe or that mild either.

    m-drol isnt poor muscle gains. you can pack on alot of quality muscle with it but it could be somewhat wet gains. it also depends on diet.
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    Originally Posted by SM1004 View Post
    H-drol is mild and one of the more safer ones very good for cutting stay away from m-drol the muscle quality you obtain is poor and watery
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    seriousy? not really
    I laughed as well. But seriously, i'm reporting you for posting in this thread
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    weight-150! Plateau? You've got to gain b4 you can reach a plateau. Try eating more and learn how to train properly. Edit: And all the prohormones in the world aren't gonna do you a damn bit of good if you can't eat enough.
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    Originally Posted by Minimaniac View Post
    I've been wondering about prohormones and if I should cycle one and what I should cycle. I went to the supp store and the guy recommended tri-methyl xtreme 3.15. I did some research and there's no way I'm doing that to my liver. My question is what does it mean if a compound is "methylated" and also what are some safer and less toxic prohormones and/or alternatives. I'm 20 years old 5'6 150 lbs. and have been lifting since I was an incoming freshman back in highschool. Suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated.
    I hear the best pro hormone is a mix of a hormone called chupacabra terror and another one called dumbledoor baby cockbol
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    Originally Posted by jtyler30 View Post
    a plateau is not a very good reason to try ph's.
    lol its the only reason to (unless you plan on competing; in which case its only use would be for kickstarting)

    Of course, 150lbs @ age 20 is not a plateau
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    Originally Posted by MASSter View Post
    weight-150! Plateau? You've got to gain b4 you can reach a plateau. Try eating more and learn how to train properly.
    id highly recommend this route, and plateau's are kinda hard for me to believe, i dont believe your body gives up on growing, the bigger your body grows the bigger your diet and regiment needs to to grow to accommodate. maybe i say that cause i have not hit one idk
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    Did anyone know or find out what it means if something is methylated?
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    topic is oxymoron lol
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    Originally Posted by Minimaniac View Post
    Did anyone know or find out what it means if something is methylated?
    you're considering taking steroids and you don't know the difference between methylated compounds and ones that are not? yay, one less idiot alive to screw up the gene pool for the rest of us!
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    No I don't know and I would never take anything unless I knew everything about it hence why I asked what methylated means. I'm curious what it means and I'm wondering about it in the future after tons and tons of research not taking it or anything just trying to understand it better. So can you clarify what methylated means and what significance it has to help me? Again im just looking for help suggestions and examples to inform me more.Thanks
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    Originally Posted by Minimaniac View Post
    No I don't know and I would never take anything unless I knew everything about it hence why I asked what methylated means. I'm curious what it means and I'm wondering about it in the future after tons and tons of research not taking it or anything just trying to understand it better. So can you clarify what methylated means and what significance it has to help me? Again im just looking for help suggestions and examples to inform me more.Thanks
    First of all there is no safe drug, there will always be side effects with any drug you put in your body. Methylated steroids are hard on your liver. The best thing for you to do is go to the search bar and type prohormone and I'm sure you will find what you are looking for. At 150 though I recommend you take your time to go look at the nutrition and workout sections before you delve into serious compounds.
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    Originally Posted by leepees View Post
    First of all there is no safe drug, there will always be side effects with any drug you put in your body. Methylated steroids are hard on your liver. The best thing for you to do is go to the search bar and type prohormone and I'm sure you will find what you are looking for. At 150 though I recommend you take your time to go look at the nutrition and workout sections before you delve into serious compounds.
    he was simply asking what methylated means not asking what a prohormone is
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    Originally Posted by Minimaniac View Post
    I've been wondering about prohormones and if I should cycle one and what I should cycle. I went to the supp store and the guy recommended tri-methyl xtreme 3.15. I did some research and there's no way I'm doing that to my liver. My question is what does it mean if a compound is "methylated" and also what are some safer and less toxic prohormones and/or alternatives. I'm 20 years old 5'6 150 lbs. and have been lifting since I was an incoming freshman back in highschool. Suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated.
    Why don't you just google it? The bottom line is if a compound is methylated its going to be hard on your liver thats the most important thing you need to go in regards to ph's and steroids

    I found this decent explanation in 2 minutes: http://www.anabolicandsteroid.com/methylated-steroids/
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    No I don't know and I would never take anything unless I knew everything about it hence why I asked what methylated means. I'm curious what it means and I'm wondering about it in the future after tons and tons of research not taking it or anything just trying to understand it better. So can you clarify what methylated means and what significance it has to help me? Again im just looking for help suggestions and examples to inform me more.Thanks
    When people refer to methylation or methylated steroids, they are usually talking about a methyl group (ch3) at the 17a position of the molecule. The purpose of methylation is protecting the hydroxyl at the 17b position. Without protection of the hydroxyl group, after oral ingestion 17b-hydroxyl dehydrogenase (metabolic oxidation) would take place turning the 17b hydroxyl to a 17-keto rendering the steroid inactive and subsequently excreted.

    Although, methylation at the 1, 2, and 6 position have shown an influence on 17b-hydroxyl dehydrogenase. Methylation at these positions have not shown the same effect on liver tissue, but would technically be considered methylated steroids.
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    Thanks and also if I was to take a ph which I'm leaning towards no at this point, would a liver support save my liver and fully protect it? Thanks again for all the help I appreciate it alot.
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    No, liver support won't save your liver.

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    Why don't you post your supplement stack, diet and training regimen to see if we can help you bust that plateau.
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    I think M1D from LGSciences is supposed to be the mildest PH you can get. The PH in it is DHEA so I think it is also a natural test booster aswell as a PH.
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