Victor Martinez or Dennis Wolf 2011?

[Pilcher1]

With the Flex Pro coming up soon I am in debate as to whether I think Victor or Wolf will have a better year. Reason for this is because Dennis finished 5th at the O last year and Victor was clearly devastated by 8th place. A few pictures have surfaced early this year of Victor looking huge and I expect him to be back to his best this year without a doubt. On the other hand Dennis has state don his blog that he plans on adding 15lb to what we seen at the Olympia. Very difficult to call for me.

What do you guys think?

[cbezz]

To say who would have a better year would be a very tough thing to do....
I think Victors new affiliation with Oscar will be very evident at the flex pro, (I think it's more common for the bodybuilders to hit their mark the first time they're with a new guru)
But if he continues that on for other shows in the year... Whose to say?

Not saying Wolf wont do well, just saying I think Victor is due a good one...

[BlackNumero]

Hopefully they will both do good and bodybuilding can be more competitive. After the 2007 Mr. Olympia they were looked favorably upon and everyone said they had bright futures.

If Wolf actually adds 15lbs of muscle by the Arnold and comes in good condition, I would watch out for him lol.

[the-craig]

If Victor's legs improve just a little and his conditioning is on then he has the better year by far, simply because his muscle bellies and upper body is insane. If he doesn't do that though and Wolf adds some much needed mass while having good conditioning then he does. It's hard to say.

[wessmen]

Vic is out. He looses too much mass if he wants to come in really peeled like Branch, Heath etc.

[W1LLW]

was the biggest heath fan ever. think 2010 was the last year you'll see perfect size and aesthetics from him, even that was pushin it. from here on out i think he's gonna teeter more into that turtle shell gut category but we'll see, thats just my guess. he'll always have sick side and back shots atleast

[Jsanti]

was the biggest heath fan ever. think 2010 was the last year you'll see perfect size and aesthetics from him, even that was pushin it. from here on out i think he's gonna teeter more into that turtle shell gut category but we'll see, thats just my guess. he'll always have sick side and back shots atleast

Can't agree with you any more man...he's really close to that classic Cutler/Coleman belly.

[trulyhuge1]

If they are both 100% "on" Vic will get the nod. Victor has the complete package. Wolf is a monster and a great bodybuilder but part for part Vic has him.

[sean061788]

If victor comes in truly peeled he can win any show he enters

[DavisForman]

If Victor gets his conditioning right, he will have the better year. Dennis has barely progressed in the last three years, so I find his claim of +15lbs a little hard to believe. If he could do that in five and a half months, why hasn't he done it before in the last 3 years?

A conditioned Victor, IMO, is top 3 in the world, as he probably was on Saturday night at the Olympia. A conditioned Dennis... apparently is only 5th in the world.

Vic wins if hes on.

[Mecklenburg]

If he could do that in five and a half months, why hasn't he done it before in the last 3 years?

Dennis was injured in 2008, overdiet at the Mr.O 2008 and at the New Pro last year there he lost many pounds.

[Pilcher1]

I have to say I think Dennis will be awesome this year, I know people have their doubts and thats fine I will live by my opinion.

[Emmortal]

If Victor gets his conditioning right, he will have the better year. Dennis has barely progressed in the last three years, so I find his claim of +15lbs a little hard to believe. If he could do that in five and a half months, why hasn't he done it before in the last 3 years?

A conditioned Victor, IMO, is top 3 in the world, as he probably was on Saturday night at the Olympia. A conditioned Dennis... apparently is only 5th in the world.

Vic wins if hes on.

Wolf has placed 4th at the Olympia so it's quite a bit closer than you realize. Neither one of them have been consistent the past 3 years, Vic always suffers from bad conditioning, Wolf either comes in shredded and flat or spills over and soft, his best showing being '10 Olympia in the past 3 years since '07.

It's too early to call at this point, anything can happen.

[Vinltd]

[wessmen]

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Ill eat my socks if Vic wins.

[DavisForman]

Wolf has placed 4th at the Olympia so it's quite a bit closer than you realize.

That was 08. Much more accurate to go off of 2010 as his conditioning in both shows was similar, but the level of competition has changed slightly. And in 2010, Dennis was 5th.

[purdey]

If Victor gets his conditioning right, he will have the better year. Dennis has barely progressed in the last three years, so I find his claim of +15lbs a little hard to believe. If he could do that in five and a half months, why hasn't he done it before in the last 3 years?

A conditioned Victor, IMO, is top 3 in the world, as he probably was on Saturday night at the Olympia. A conditioned Dennis... apparently is only 5th in the world.

Vic wins if hes on.

jay, phil, vic?

[DavisForman]

jay, phil, vic?

Yeah, I thought those 3 were the best on Saturday night.

[wessmen]

Yeah, I thought those 3 were the best on Saturday night.

lol. Vic was off, way off. His top condition is not anywhere close to top 5 in the world right now.

[sean061788]

jay, phil, vic?

He looked pretty good Saturday.. horrible on friday.. still Saturday wasnt great.. and if it was a one night show he would make top 3

[DavisForman]

lol. Vic was off, way off. His top condition is not anywhere close to top 5 in the world right now.

On Saturday night it was.

[sean061788]

On Saturday night it was.

and the scary thing is... he still wasn't even that great Saturday.. if he ever really dials it in.... universe implodes

[Pilcher1]

Victor knew Friday he was wayyy off, He even said in an interview that Saturday was good for him but he knew he was already out of the running because of the calibre of bodybuilders he was up against.

[Fowles]

I think wolf is getting ahead of himself. I don't think he can just decide to add 15 lbs of muscle. Why wouldnt he do that before after his ****ty O placing in 2009

[BuffGuy123]

I say Wolf is not going to peak... along with Vic..

[Outlined]

Have to chime in with previous post and say that I think both will have a hard time nailing it.

Victor has tremendous upper body size but falls short on the dotc

Wolf needs to change recipes because he is far from consistant. Not sure he will get bigger but I root for the guy.

[mrusa85]

Yeah, I thought those 3 were the best on Saturday night.

Vic was still off and holding water on Saturday night. He might have edged out Rockel, but not Wolf or Dexter and definitely not Branch.

[lovebbing]

id go with Vic.

Wolf is great but hes still lacking fundamental body parts that seperate him from the elite.

Vic has already shown us what he is capable of, Wolf has not.

the only reason Vic hasnt done well lately is his inability to be in perfect contest condition. Hopefully working with someone new will change that, and he can be back in the mix.

if Vic comes out and wins the ASC, its going to give him alot of momentum going into the O.

[purdey]

id go with Vic.

Wolf is great but hes still lacking fundamental body parts that seperate him from the elite.

Vic has already shown us what he is capable of, Wolf has not.

the only reason Vic hasnt done well lately is his inability to be in perfect contest condition. Hopefully working with someone new will change that, and he can be back in the mix.

if Vic comes out and wins the ASC, its going to give him alot of momentum going into the O.

They both have problems in the same areas, the calves and the lower lats. Although wolf is lacking alot more in those areas. I agree that vic would be a top contender if he could nail his conditioning, but imo calves and full lower lats are the most important bodyparts to have up to standard to give the body the right shape (silhouette). If vic does win the arnold, i dont think it will have any effect on how he does at the O, look at what happend to kai. It will hower give him alot of hype heading into the O. (Im pulling for evan at the arnold)

[jiveinhere]

IMO vic by a fair margin (obviously assuming he comes in good shape):









victor wasnt even in very good shape here, but he just holds so much more muscle than dennis. unless he comes in off again, i cant see him losing out to the wolf