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    Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL

    Does anyone have a list of products containing the legal amount of no more than 10mg of Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL. I am not looking for the respetory medications, but just straight Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL


    These are the ones I have found so far, I am compiling a list, so I can look on the shelves of some Vit stores going out of buisness in my area.
    • 4 Ever Fit Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Synergenex Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Kaizen Ephedrine HCL 8mg
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    Originally Posted by tdog69 View Post
    Does anyone have a list of products containing the legal amount of no more than 10mg of Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL. I am not looking for the respetory medications, but just straight Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL


    These are the ones I have found so far, I am compiling a list, so I can look on the shelves of some Vit stores going out of buisness in my area.
    • 4 Ever Fit Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Synergenex Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Kaizen Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    To the best of my knowledge it is illegal to put any ephedrine in any diet aid product in the USA.
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    Originally Posted by tdog69 View Post
    Does anyone have a list of products containing the legal amount of no more than 10mg of Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL. I am not looking for the respetory medications, but just straight Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL


    These are the ones I have found so far, I am compiling a list, so I can look on the shelves of some Vit stores going out of buisness in my area.
    • 4 Ever Fit Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Synergenex Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Kaizen Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

    Food and Drug Administration

    21 CFR Part 119

    [Docket No. 1995N-0304]
    RIN 0910-AA59


    Final Rule Declaring Dietary Supplements Containing Ephedrine
    Alkaloids Adulterated Because They Present an Unreasonable Risk

    AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.

    ACTION: Final rule.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA, we, our) is issuing a
    final regulation declaring dietary supplements containing ephedrine
    alkaloids adulterated under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
    (the act) because they present an unreasonable risk of illness or
    injury under the conditions of use recommended or suggested in
    labeling, or if no conditions of use are suggested or recommended in
    labeling, under ordinary conditions of use. We are taking this action
    based upon the well-known pharmacology of ephedrine alkaloids, the
    peer-reviewed scientific literature on the effects of ephedrine
    alkaloids, and the adverse events reported to have occurred in
    individuals following consumption of dietary supplements containing
    ephedrine alkaloids.

    DATES: This rule is effective on April 12, 2004.
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    Not looking for dietary supplements

    Not looking for dietary supplements


    The House passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 as an amendment to the renewal of the USA PATRIOT Act. Signed into law by president George W. Bush on March 6, 2006, the act amended the US Code (21 USC 830) concerning the sale of ephedrine-containing products. The federal statute included the following requirements for merchants who sell these products:
    • A retrievable record of all purchases identifying the name and address of each party to be kept for two years
    • Required verification of proof of identity of all purchasers
    • Required protection and disclosure methods in the collection of personal information
    • Reports to the Attorney General of any suspicious payments or disappearances of the regulated products
    • Non-liquid dose form of regulated product may only be sold in unit dose blister packs
    • Regulated products are to be sold behind the counter or in a locked cabinet in such a way as to restrict access
    • Daily sales of regulated products not to exceed 3.6 grams without regard to the number of transactions
    • Monthly sales not to exceed 9 grams of pseudoephedrine base in regulated products
    • The law gives similar regulations to mail-order purchases, except the monthly sales limit is only 7.5 grams.


    As a pure herb or tea, m hung, containing ephedrine, is still sold legally in the USA. The law restricts/prohibits its being sold as a dietary supplement(pill) or as an ingredient/additive to other products, like diet pills.


    Just looking for all products containing Pseudoephedrine, Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL

    List so far
    Products that are not straight Ephedrine HCL
    • Bronch-Eze 25mg Ephedrine HCL
    • Bronkaid
    • Prematene
    Ephedrine HCL
    • 4 Ever Fit Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Synergenex Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Kaizen Ephedrine HCL 8mg
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    Wallgreens store brand is not on your list.
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Wallgreens store brand is not on your list.
    Thanks I will add that to the list

    Just trying to see what is out there before I begin buying over the coarse of 2 months, so I will have it on hand for the last 6 weeks of my cut.
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    HCL is stronger
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    Originally Posted by TG3 View Post
    HCL is stronger
    very slightly...but true. I personally like HCL is better, just feels cleaner.
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    Why not just buy primatene/bronkaid instead of performing some useless scavenger hunt?
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Why not just buy primatene/bronkaid instead of performing some useless scavenger hunt?
    Bro, spending 5 hours researching and asking everyone to help is totally worth saving 3 dollars when making the purchase.
    Look under your chair. YOU GET A REP, AND YOU GET A REP, REPS FOR EVERYONE! If I get a rep, you get a rep, every time. Give me a link to make my life a little easier.

    If you don't give me a link and you didn't post in the thread you rep'd me in, I'm not gonna go searching for you. I'll get everyone on recharge.
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    Originally Posted by tdog69 View Post
    Just looking for all products containing Pseudoephedrine, Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL
    You only want the bolded.
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    Originally Posted by PinchTheBear View Post
    You only want the bolded.
    Why is that? If he had real ephedra, ime it works much better than ephedrine. Although the sides are much more extreme.

    just curious, not trying to start a debate, lol
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Why is that? If he had real ephedra, ime it works much better than ephedrine. Although the sides are much more extreme.

    just curious, not trying to start a debate, lol
    Well, you inevitably end up with other compounds with different effects (e.g. the three other ephedrine stereoisomers). The pharmaceutical ephedrine is only (according to Martindale) (1R,2S)-(-)-ephedrine, which is primarily responsible for the fat loss effects.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Why not just buy primatene/bronkaid instead of performing some useless scavenger hunt?
    There is not a complete list of what is avliable out there, so I am going to generate one after researching it for the good bros that still love EC

    Originally Posted by mobikwa View Post
    Bro, spending 5 hours researching and asking everyone to help is totally worth saving 3 dollars when making the purchase.
    exactly, research cost nothing

    Ephedra very easy to obtain in its raw form and perfectly legal as a tea, but dosing it I have no idea.

    Both pseudoephedrine and ephedrine HCL are beta adrenoceptor agonists, but ephedrine hcl will work a lot better for weight loss, because it will increase your internal body temp a lot more. I included pseudoephedrine, because the majority of the sites or places that carry this item will also carry ephedrine hcl, the sale of both are governed by the same restrictions.

    I would like to see what is out there and price difference; I am not one that is big on buying weight loss supplements considering that 99% of fat loss is diet alone.

    The last 6 weeks of my cut i will be running pstanz/11sterone with a ECY, but this is not until I drop down under 15% BF or the calories get real low, whichever comes first. When I add the ECY it will allow me to increase my cals to prevent muscle loss and may even allow for some slight gains or raw fat loss without any muscle loss. I have put a lot of time and hard work into adding some mass to my frame this year and naturally with just the basic supplements.
    I do not plan to lose anything when I cut this time.
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    go to cvs or walgreens pharmacy, tell the lady at the front desk that you want brokaid

    show drivers license... pay $15 for 60 tablets of 25mg ephedrine sulfate (which is just under 20mg of pure epherda)
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    Originally Posted by kr0n0z View Post
    DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

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    21 CFR Part 119

    [Docket No. 1995N-0304]
    RIN 0910-AA59


    Final Rule Declaring Dietary Supplements Containing Ephedrine
    Alkaloids Adulterated Because They Present an Unreasonable Risk

    AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.

    ACTION: Final rule.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA, we, our) is issuing a
    final regulation declaring dietary supplements containing ephedrine
    alkaloids adulterated under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act
    (the act) because they present an unreasonable risk of illness or
    injury under the conditions of use recommended or suggested in
    labeling, or if no conditions of use are suggested or recommended in
    labeling, under ordinary conditions of use. We are taking this action
    based upon the well-known pharmacology of ephedrine alkaloids, the
    peer-reviewed scientific literature on the effects of ephedrine
    alkaloids, and the adverse events reported to have occurred in
    individuals following consumption of dietary supplements containing
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    Is there much difference between Synergenex or 4ever fit ?
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    exactly, research cost nothing
    wrong. Opportunity cost. You are giving up leisure/hours of work to research so it is not "free"
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    Originally Posted by rbmorrison View Post
    wrong. Opportunity cost. You are giving up leisure/hours of work to research so it is not "free"

    So few people in our society understand opportunity cost. It should be the #1 concept every student understands when leaving high school imo.
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    Hah if only. Opportunity costs have no meaning to people in this economy. Hmm should I watch 10 hours of TV today while I wait for my welfare check. Or should I watch 5 hours of tv and spend the other 5 online.

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    Does anyone have a list of products containing the legal amount of no more than 10mg of Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL. I am not looking for the respetory medications, but just straight Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL


    These are the ones I have found so far, I am compiling a list, so I can look on the shelves of some Vit stores going out of buisness in my area.
    • 4 Ever Fit Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Synergenex Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    • Kaizen Ephedrine HCL 8mg
    i suggestchecking out fitshop.ca............got 1200 8mgtabsshipped to me for 70-75 bucks.....straight hclalso....ship to US with no problem
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    Originally Posted by Fitzwell View Post
    Hah if only. Opportunity costs have no meaning to people in this economy. Hmm should I watch 10 hours of TV today while I wait for my welfare check. Or should I watch 5 hours of tv and spend the other 5 online.

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    Is there much difference between Synergenex or 4ever fit ?
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    Why not just buy primatene/bronkaid instead of performing some useless scavenger hunt?
    I only wanted a small supply, only needed like 2 weeks worth.. tried that. Every pharmacy denied me when I told them it was for allergy induced asthma. They basically knew exactly what I wanted it for and sterotyped me lmao.

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    Originally Posted by XCriticalBenchX View Post
    I only wanted a small supply, only needed like 2 weeks worth.. tried that. Every pharmacy denied me when I told them it was for allergy induced asthma. They basically knew exactly what I wanted it for and sterotyped me lmao.

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    2 year bump.
    Ive taken ephedrine from gorilla jack last year, and it felt strong, i lost weight at a steady rate. Now, i didnt want to wait for shipping so i went to cvs and bought Bronkaid. Ive lost like 2 lbs in 2.5 weeks. Not bad. I do sweat when im working out hard. But its not as strong as the gorilla jack stuff for sure. Im thinking of trying Primatene from walgreesns. Thoughts?
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    Originally Posted by PinchTheBear View Post
    Well, you inevitably end up with other compounds with different effects (e.g. the three other ephedrine stereoisomers). The pharmaceutical ephedrine is only (according to Martindale) (1R,2S)-(-)-ephedrine, which is primarily responsible for the fat loss effects.
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