Aussie and UK brahs - your views on gun control?

[R_V_P]

They got a violent society they need them. UK got a violent society too they need them.

What are you talking about? there is no Violent society in the UK, I feel very safe living here actually and I've lived in some of the more notorious parts of the UK.

and your whole statement is retarded, why would you give a violent society weapons?

[bghurc]

Outlaw guns and then only the outlaws will have guns

Great idea!




*******s

That's the thinking here. Look, if you are a law-abiding citizen, you should be able to own one. In the US, people can own guns, but aren't always allowed to carry them (not sure if some of you guys know that). Reason being, you keep it for home protection. As far as I'm concerned, someone breaks into your house, you should be able to shoot them. The law (sorta) reflects that.

In states with loose gun laws (Texas), there is a correspondingly low rate of crime. If you're some crackhead waltzing around Houston, Texas at night - you'll think twice before mugging someone if you even suspect their carrying.

[RunningStrong]

I think handguns and rifles should be legalised in the UK, with the qualification that you must: -

-Attain a further education or equivalent (2 A levels, BTEC, NVQ level (?)) and attend a shortened gun-safety course.
Or
-Attend an extended gun safety course with a higher cost (say �1000).

But I don't agree with being able to own a small armoury of weapons. Not sure what a sensible limit would be.

Gun laws in the UK are spot on, if you want a gun for sport you can get a gun for sport. If you want guns for collecting you have to have them made safe. What other reason could you legitimately have for wanting a gun?

No you can't. The British Olympic pistol team have to train off shore. Be it Isle of Man, Channel Islands or even Switzerland.

[JMath]

what about New Zealand brahs? we are allowed lots of guns here. so long as you are a upstanding citizen within the law you can own pretty much anything you want.


And i love that.

Lots of guns and you have a lower firearm murder rate per capita than Australia and the UK is only one spot lower than you.

[SICWITH1T]

What are you talking about? there is no Violent society in the UK, I feel very safe living here actually and I've lived in some of the more notorious parts of the UK.

and your whole statement is retarded, why would you give a violent society weapons?

The violent crime rate is off the charts in the UK. One of the highest in the world.


Edit: and you guys already have weapons. Knives, blunt objects, etc. Anything can be a tool for bad.

[ScottishBrah]

Guns will make it safer

Location: Czecho, Slovakia

[EclipseTT]

Guns will make it safer

Guns dont make any place safer.... or less safe IMO its just different cultures. Americans it seems just love to pull out guns and shoot each other. Gun ownership there is probably a bit higher than NZ yet gun crime is lower in NZ.


Its just different cultures, if you banned guns in the US it would not decrease the murder rate they would just find different ways of killing each other. They lack respect for other peoples lives. look at the debates on healthcare or wars and all that ****. its all about the individual to them, everyone else is just nothing.
someone else dying means fuk all it seems.

[JMath]

The violent crime rate is off the charts in the UK. One of the highest in the world.

They have a higher number of total crimes per capita than the U.S.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita

Guns dont make any place safer.... or less safe IMO its just different cultures. Americans it seems just love to pull out guns and shoot each other. Gun ownership there is probably a bit higher than NZ yet gun crime is lower in NZ.


Its just different cultures, if you banned guns in the US it would not decrease the murder rate they would just find different ways of killing each other. They lack respect for other peoples lives. look at the debates on healthcare or wars and all that ****. its all about the individual to them, everyone else is just nothing.
someone else dying means fuk all it seems.

You sir have it right.

[zinc2man]

They got a violent society they need them. UK got a violent society too they need them.

The UK isnt really a violent society. I dont think Ive ever seen public violence. Oh, and why do you single out the UK?

Assaults/capita

# 1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people
# 2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people
# 3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people
# 4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people
# 5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people
# 6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people
# 7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people
# 8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people
# 9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people
# 10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people

[SPENO90]

i enjoy shooting as its alot of fun, however its quiet annoying to get a license in my state. So i just tag along with family friends when they go hunting in the bush. good times.

i really do not think having a CCW approach in Australia is the best idea though.

[colbo]

Prior to 1987, the gun laws in the UK were as liberal if not more so than many US states. Semi-Auto rifles and burst fire guns were legal - Shotguns could be purchased without a license and handguns were still legal.

After Hungerford and Dunblane the govt clamped down big time on gun ownership - However, I still felt safer in 1987.

[JMath]

The UK isnt really a violent society. I dont think Ive ever seen public violence. Oh, and why do you single out the UK?

Assaults/capita

# 1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people
# 2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people
# 3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people
# 4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people
# 5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people
# 6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people
# 7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people
# 8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people
# 9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people
# 10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people

You're going to show this statistic and than say the UK isn't violent? They are #8 on the list! They are not that far behind the U.S.

[sevenstacks]

I'm an Aussie, I'd KILL to have a fukking gun.

But no srsly if guns were allowed here I'd have one or two in a second.

[n3wborn]

here is the cold hard fact:

% of firearm homicide per 100,000:

US: 3.97%
UK: 0.12%
AUS: 0.31%

fact of the matter is, either the US is a society with 3300% more murderous degenerate pathetic individuals, or guns DO kill people.

edit: and the only countrys that are worse than the US are Columbia, Guatemala, Paraguay and Zimbabwe.

[SICWITH1T]

The UK isnt really a violent society. I dont think Ive ever seen public violence. Oh, and why do you single out the UK?

Assaults/capita

# 1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people
# 2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people
# 3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people
# 4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people
# 5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people
# 6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people
# 7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people
# 8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people
# 9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people
# 10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people

Yet it's top 10 in the world lolololol

[TommyLee]

Chances are the crime rate in the UK is largely alcohol induced, nation of alcoholics, and i bet the majority of alcohol fuelled crimes are from Scotland (no hate)
Our nation is full of drop outs and junkies and youths that are wannabe gangsters, thank fukk i did well in school.. There are people i went to school with who are constantly drunk 24/7, pretty sad really.

[Shangius]

Guns dont make any place safer.... or less safe IMO its just different cultures. Americans it seems just love to pull out guns and shoot each other. Gun ownership there is probably a bit higher than NZ yet gun crime is lower in NZ.

Yep. It's all about society's makeup. Look at Switzerland's gun crime statistics. Virtually non-existant yet every household has a gun.

I don't fear law abiding citizens who own legal firearms. I fear the 17 year old gangbanger who got some knockoff AK that was smuggled in from Mexico.

[AussieQLD]

It seems as though the majority of the US brahs are very anti gun control and a lot of them are self proclaimed gun nuts.

How about you guys? What are your thoughts on gun control? Do you wish that they were not as strict in your respective countries?

My grandfather was a gunsmith that owned a gun shop, my mum and dad all my uncles and aunties grew up with all kinds of guns in the home living in the country shooting guns/hunting.

I enjoy shooting guns and dont see anything evil about that and dissapointed in the australian goverment and even more so the sheep that are the australian people(not all of them) whom pretty much just rolled over and let the goverment take our rights away/gave our rights away long before I was old enought to have any real say in it.

Havent done any shooting in awhile, but last time I went target shooting at the local club they had an open day ...... was a good day especially seeing people that have never shot a gun before having fun doing so.

[SICWITH1T]

here is the cold hard fact:

% of firearm homicide per 100,000:

US: 3.97%
UK: 0.12%
AUS: 0.31%

fact of the matter is, either the US is a society with 3300% more murderous degenerate pathetic individuals, or guns DO kill people.

The gun is only as dangerous as the person firing it. They don't automatically misfire.

[V.I.C]

Live in the UK and see no practical reason for needing a gun. 28 years old and never in my life been in a situation where I needed a gun so dont care that it is not as easy to own one in the UK as the US.

[n3wborn]

The gun is only as dangerous as the person firing it. They don't automatically misfire.

no you misread the point im making. Guns DO kill people because somebody getting stabbed is much less life threatening than someone getting shot

[Shangius]

no you misread the point im making. Guns DO kill people because somebody getting stabbed is much less life threatening than someone getting shot

Wow you are utterly ignorant about the lethality of knives vs guns.

[GAK9]

Feels safe man

[colbo]

I've never smoked but I think the smoking ban is wrong too - Its just another liberty taken away.

Its a shame the people don't unite against this sort of thing. Slowly but surely people rights/freedoms get eroded.

[JMath]

here is the cold hard fact:

% of firearm homicide per 100,000:

US: 3.97%
UK: 0.12%
AUS: 0.31%

fact of the matter is, either the US is a society with 3300% more murderous degenerate pathetic individuals, or guns DO kill people.

Well, I'd say it's a societal thing. According to this site America is 5th in "most murders" with 16,204.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders

The same site says that the U.S. had 9,369 murders with firearms.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

So take 16,204-9,369 and you get 6,835 which would still make us the #8 leading country in murders if EVERY FIREARM MURDER WAS EXCLUDED. Realistically though, many of those 9,369 murders by firearms would have still taken place, just by a different means. So yeah, I'd say that there is certainly more to it than just guns being the problem.

[SICWITH1T]

no you misread the point im making. Guns DO kill people because somebody getting stabbed is much less life threatening than someone getting shot

So knives kill people now? That blade is only as bad as the person wielding it. A gunshot wound and a stab to the jugular aren't too much different.

[blumpkin415]

So much ignorance in this thread I think my head is going to explode.

fkin repped, every american i have heard defending their rights to a gun refer to the 2nd amendment, mmm ever considered the amendment was wrong?

edit: strong reps, pretty 1337 lulz

No, never considered the amendment was wrong. Mainly due to the fact that right after the first amendment enumerating your right so speak out against your government...was the second amendment enumerating your right to provide a check and balance against a tyrannical government stripping you of your 1st amendment right.

If you want to get into a debate RE the constitution of the United States and/or the 2nd Amendment specifically...I'm your huckleberry.

I'm all for gun control, I think the UK gun Laws are spot on. In this day and age there is just no need for average Joe to walk around with a gun.

less gun control = more gun crime

Yes, i'm sure you enjoy a society where the only people with guns are criminals and cops. Good luck defending yourself with your pocket watch.

im probably gonna get flamed for this, but i wish the US had stricter gun control (yes im american)

Yep. Negged.

In that case I can assume you are for more controls on free speech? Such as limiting the amount of words you can right to 10, and not allowing you to write angry things because they are considered "Assault Speeches"?

[bghurc]

no you misread the point im making. Guns DO kill people because somebody getting stabbed is much less life threatening than someone getting shot

Read that again, then re-read it. It's circumstantial, you stab someone in the head - shoot them in the head...similar result. Stab someone in the arm - shoot them in the arm...similar result. You catch someone in the dome with a gun, knive, blunt object, even a knee and it could have traumatic results

[FunAndSun]

In b4 10 ten pages of America bashing. This thread is pointless.

[n3wborn]

Wow you are utterly ignorant about the lethality of knives vs guns.

UK Knife statistics:

% of knife crime involving woundings: 38%
% of kinfe crime involving homicide: 0.1%
% of gun crime involving homicde: 8%

yea 80x more deadly


please shut up